RE: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed
hi ruedi > What do you think of reading this mailing list as RSS feed? > Good/bad idea? bad. how do you answer to posts? ,-) for me RSS is not a solution for participating in a mailinglist. if you want to have read only access, it may be an alternative... so you still need the mails ;-) > I personally would very much favour this approach for the following > reasons: > - My inbox remains emptier/smaller yes, you're right, we've got about 654'465'108 mails a year on this mailinglist ;-) makes sense ,-) > - No problems with auto replys which flood the whole list well, as i said: mail will remain, so auto reply's will remain ... > - Only headers get downloaded automatically. This saves bandwidth. i dont know, but i think bandwidth is not really a problem with that mailinglist, right? we're not (yet) at nanog's size ,) > So, dear administrator, why not give it a try? Google, for > example, recommends this software on the server side: > http://jmason.org/software/scripts/mailman-archive-to-rss.txt i think you're gladly invited to provide an RSS feed for those people which cannot live without it ;-) cheers -steven ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed
Salut, On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 09:17:46AM +0200, Glogger Steven wrote: > how do you answer to posts? ,-) Someone wants to create a web forum. :-P Tonnerre pgpeQTcbQTPjA.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
RE: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed
'morning Steven & list, On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 09:17 +0200, Glogger Steven wrote: > how do you answer to posts? ,-) > for me RSS is not a solution for participating in a mailinglist. if you > want to have read only access, it may be an alternative... so you still > need the mails ;-) what about simply replacing the mailing list by a blog? ;-) We could call it "swinog 2.0"... Then we would have rss as wished by Ruedi, anti-spam and anti-autoresponder captcha protection, etc. But it would require moderators for the news topics... Have a nice (!= cold & rainy) day :) Olivier ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
RE: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed
sounds very complicating... > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Olivier Mueller > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 9:44 AM > To: swinog@swinog.ch > Subject: RE: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed > > 'morning Steven & list, > > On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 09:17 +0200, Glogger Steven wrote: > > how do you answer to posts? ,-) > > for me RSS is not a solution for participating in a mailinglist. if > > you want to have read only access, it may be an > alternative... so you > > still need the mails ;-) > > what about simply replacing the mailing list by a blog? ;-) > We could call it "swinog 2.0"... Then we would have rss as > wished by Ruedi, anti-spam and anti-autoresponder captcha > protection, etc. > > But it would require moderators for the news topics... > > Have a nice (!= cold & rainy) day :) > Olivier > > ___ > swinog mailing list > swinog@lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog > ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed
On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 09:43:39AM +0200, Olivier Mueller wrote: > what about simply replacing the mailing list by a blog? ;-) > We could call it "swinog 2.0"... Then we would have rss as wished > by Ruedi, anti-spam and anti-autoresponder captcha protection, etc. What about installing UNIX/procmail ? :) ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
RE: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed
> what about simply replacing the mailing list by a blog? ;-) > We could call it "swinog 2.0"... Then we would have rss as > wished by Ruedi, anti-spam and anti-autoresponder captcha > protection, etc. by an blog? are you insane!? well...at least we have a well-trained blog-chief aka rapido :) but we could also try to set up an own IPTV stream and each of us can ... ... ok, lets foget about that :) but some mailclients support also filtering and rules.. maybe this is also a solution for ruedi :) -steven ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
RE: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed
so, something like http://www.mrmouse.ch/swinog-rss/ ? ,-) -steven > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hofer Ruedi > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:56 AM > To: swinog@swinog.ch > Subject: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed > > > Hi all > > What do you think of reading this mailing list as RSS feed? > Good/bad idea? > > I personally would very much favour this approach for the following > reasons: > - My inbox remains emptier/smaller > - No problems with auto replys which flood the whole list > - Only headers get downloaded automatically. This saves bandwidth. > > RSS clients are found in Firefox, Thunderbird. That means, > users have the necessary tools already installed! > > So, dear administrator, why not give it a try? Google, for > example, recommends this software on the server side: > http://jmason.org/software/scripts/mailman-archive-to-rss.txt > > Cheerio > Ruedi Hofer, Energy Water Berne > > ___ > swinog mailing list > swinog@lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog > ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed
think to install an RSS Client is in different offices is a Problem. If we make a change is a Forum (or new called Blogg) the beter idea. But you must check what is in the future the best way. I think some people uesing Handshields or Mobiles for reading the list... I don't konw if in future are RSS Reader avable for this products. Greetings Xaver - Original Message - From: "Tonnerre LOMBARD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Glogger Steven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
RE: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed
well, i think RSS is quite a standard and there are possibilities to provide the swinog mailinglist also as RSS feed.. but anyway, a forum/blog is the wrong way... mail should be still the way of communication for swinog members ,-) -steven > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Xaver Aerni > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 11:23 AM > To: swinog@swinog.ch > Subject: Re: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed > > think to install an RSS Client is in different offices is a > Problem. If we make a change is a Forum (or new called Blogg) > the beter idea. But you must check what is in the future the > best way. I think some people uesing Handshields or Mobiles > for reading the list... > I don't konw if in future are RSS Reader avable for this products. > > Greetings > Xaver > - Original Message - > From: "Tonnerre LOMBARD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Glogger Steven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 9:38 AM > Subject: Re: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed > > > > ___ > > swinog mailing list > > swinog@lists.swinog.ch > > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog > > > > ___ > swinog mailing list > swinog@lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog > ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed
On the Wed, May 31, 2006 at 09:38:59AM +0200, Tonnerre LOMBARD blubbered: Hi. > On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 09:17:46AM +0200, Glogger Steven wrote: > > how do you answer to posts? ,-) > > Someone wants to create a web forum. :-P Replacing a mailinglist by a forum is like putting up an "Under Construction" sign on your website. And I want a webcounter with that forum! =:-) CU, Venty -- Martin Ebnöther, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.semmel.ch/ Videogamer, Techno Musician, Gourmet, R-Typer, Beer drinker, Lefty Symlinker, Playstationeer, Chilihead, Honda driver, Paranoia GM This space for rent. Call 0800-Semmel-Ads ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed
On the Wed, May 31, 2006 at 11:29:30AM +0200, Glogger Steven blubbered: Hoi. > well, i think RSS is quite a standard and there are possibilities to > provide the swinog mailinglist also as RSS feed.. Whom does the RSS feed serve the most? Surely not the active part of the SwiNOG-Community. Those guys can just as well read the mails and answer to random topics they feel the need to. RSS does not give you that possibility, you're readonly. A perfect excuse to just consume and give nothing back (information that is). I don't like that idea. > but anyway, a forum/blog is the wrong way... mail should be still the > way of communication for swinog members ,-) Mail is as easy and flexible that it's even readable on a cell phone or an old-fart PDA. Just because some of you have a shiny new Ogo or Mulberry (whatchamacallit?) does not mean everyone wants to replace his Palm IIIx now. Finally, HTML-Mails with Flash and JavaScript do go the same way, so don't even think about coming up with THAT! CU, Venty -- Martin Ebnöther, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.semmel.ch/ Videogamer, Techno Musician, Gourmet, R-Typer, Beer drinker, Lefty Symlinker, Playstationeer, Chilihead, Honda driver, Paranoia GM This space for rent. Call 0800-Semmel-Ads ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed
Am 31.05.2006 um 12:28 schrieb Martin Ebnoether: On the Wed, May 31, 2006 at 09:38:59AM +0200, Tonnerre LOMBARD blubbered: Hi. On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 09:17:46AM +0200, Glogger Steven wrote: how do you answer to posts? ,-) Someone wants to create a web forum. :-P Replacing a mailinglist by a forum is like putting up an "Under Construction" sign on your website. No replace, but there are forums which can act as a gateway to mailing-lists, like Phorum using Phorummail, and yes Phorum can provide an RSS feed. And then there's GMANE of course, which does not only a web-based archive and RSS but also an NNTP gateway, for those wanting to use their nice threading News-Reader with killfiles... Cheers, -daniel ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed
Salut, On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 12:28:40PM +0200, Martin Ebnoether wrote: > Replacing a mailinglist by a forum is like putting up an "Under > Construction" sign on your website. > > And I want a webcounter with that forum! =:-) It needs a Flash interface of course, with live XML updates of the articles. SOAP everywhere. You must see other people typing. And it must blink. Tonnerre pgp6GFTrkjXZc.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed
Salut, On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 11:29:30AM +0200, Glogger Steven wrote: > well, i think RSS is quite a standard and there are possibilities to > provide the swinog mailinglist also as RSS feed.. Frankly, ICMP is also a standard. Shall we communicate using icmpchat? ( http://icmpchat.sourceforge.net/ ) Tonnerre pgpBcucE9Q14o.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
RE: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed
> Whom does the RSS feed serve the most? Surely not the active > part of the SwiNOG-Community. Those guys can just as well > read the mails and answer to random topics they feel the need to. ack. > RSS does not give you that possibility, you're readonly. A > perfect excuse to just consume and give nothing back > (information that is). I don't like that idea. full ack. > Mail is as easy and flexible that it's even readable on a > cell phone or an old-fart PDA. Just because some of you have > a shiny new Ogo or Mulberry (whatchamacallit?) does not mean > everyone wants to replace his Palm IIIx now. another ack. > Finally, HTML-Mails with Flash and JavaScript do go the same > way, so don't even think about coming up with THAT! final ack. -steven ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed
Hi > It needs a Flash interface of course, with live XML updates of the > articles. SOAP everywhere. You must see other people typing. > > And it must blink. It has to be enterprise ready [1], otherwise I'm not going to use it! [1] http://thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/64597.aspx Daniel ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed
Salut, On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 02:17:08PM +0200, Daniel Lorch wrote: > It has to be enterprise ready [1], otherwise I'm not going to use it! If so, I'm sure that the best person to write this tool is Scotty. Tonnerre pgpS5ke4ZBYRT.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
RE: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed
just to help : easy and do not ask for changing the existant :-) --- convert email to RSS: why and how source: http://drexel-coas-elearning.blogspot.com/2005/07/convert-email-to-rss-why-a nd-how.html why: 1) It would be nice to consolidate information feeds from mailing lists to RSS feeds 2) Information search sites often supply email alerts for queries but not RSS yet 3) Convert comments on blogs posts to RSS so anyone can subscribe to the comments posted update: it looks like Blogger does not accept an email address to blogger.com so this doesn't work (at least for Blogger accounts) how: 1) set up a Blogger account 2) under settings/email/mail-to-blogger create a new email address 3) send your email lists or email alerts to this new email address 4) subscribe to the atom feed automatically provided by Blogger for any blogs. For readers like Bloglines that are good at autodetecting feed sources just pasting the blog url is sufficient to add that feed Here are some variations: 5) Create a Feedburner account that will convert the Blogger Atom feed into RSS and will provide stats of how many subscribers you have to your new feed 6) under settings/email/ in blogger put the same email you did for mail-to-blogger in "blog send address". This will basically post new comments back as new posts in the same blog. This is good because it prevents you to have to create a new Blogger account but you will have to monitor more closely what kind of posts are getting submitted and delete if necessary. - MailBucket MailBucket is an experiment in alternative methods of email management. For now its only feature is a public email-to-RSS gateway: forward your email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and have your news reader pick it up at mailbucket.org/slurp.xml (where you choose slurp, having checked that it's not already in use). http://www.mailbucket.org/ - MailFeed MailFeed is a PHP script that checks a POP3, IMAP, or NNTP mailbox on demand and returns an RSS feed containing the messages in the mailbox. This is great if you run a controversial web site that gets tons of hate mail, because now posting it to make fun of people is like, no hassle at all. http://wiki.wonko.com/software/mailfeed/ -- RSS tools: http://www.eu.socialtext.net/rss-winterfest/index.cgi?great_rss_tools 50+ RSS Ideas for Educators http://www.teachinghacks.com/category/rss/ -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de Tonnerre LOMBARD Envoyé : mercredi, 31. mai 2006 13:36 À : Glogger Steven Cc : swinog@swinog.ch Objet : Re: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed Salut, On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 11:29:30AM +0200, Glogger Steven wrote: > well, i think RSS is quite a standard and there are possibilities to > provide the swinog mailinglist also as RSS feed.. Frankly, ICMP is also a standard. Shall we communicate using icmpchat? ( http://icmpchat.sourceforge.net/ ) Tonnerre ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed
Hi > convert email to RSS: why and how Why do we need that? RSS is a unidirectional, read-only, non-threaded (as in "message-threads") medium. RSS is anonymous, whereas Swinog is a community und subscribing to the mailing list makes you a member. RSS offers less features with less comfort. RSS is a fuzzy standard (use Atom instead!). So could we just stop the discussion? The only advantage I could see is that we won't get autoresponder messages anymore (until someone invents RSS autoresponders, of course..). Daniel ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
RE: RE: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed
can someone remove this guy which is completely not able to give his autoresponder some "artificial intelligence" to at least respond ONCE and not each time ;-)? -steven > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 11:23 AM > To: Glogger Steven > Subject: RE: RE: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed > > > I will be out of the office starting 22.05.2006 and will not > return until 05.06.2006. > > Your email will not be forwarded. I will respond to your > message when I return. > Please contact Nicolas Guillemenot +41 22 592 50 00 for any > urgent matters. > > Best Regards > > Grégoire Badel > ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
