Re: [swinog] ASUS on board NIC with SAME mac address!
When you use the default WinXP SiS driver you will ALWAYS obtain the same mac address and that is the reason of those repeating syslog messages: SiS is at it again then... We had this problem alreay a year ago also with Asus mainboards with integrated SiS chipsets but instead of just a driverproblem they just burned in the same MAC-Adress in tousands of boards. Guess how long it took us to figure this out... :( Reagards Roman ___ swinog mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.init7.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything?
Hello Daniel One of the most renowned OO experts teaches as a professor at the ETHZ: Bertrand Meyer I do not remember this name (but this just prooves that my memory for names is pretty bad) but I know there are some guys from ETHZ in the teams who wrote/write the roadmaps. Regards Roman ___ swinog mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.init7.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
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Hello Stefan BUT most teachers ran away from "real industry" many years ago. So they dont have any relation to what the industry is today. As an IT specialist, one have to be up to date (IMHO). You are more or less right on these points, but I hope there are still some teachers (the so-called "Lehrer im Nebenamt") which are working the majority of their time in the real world and only give lesson a view hours a week. That's the teachers you learn the most interessting things from! - Do a "Basislehrjahr". I'm taking this way of apprenticeship, the Basislehrjahr. I dont know how it looks in Canton of Zurich, but in Zug they realised that Basislehrjahr was a misstake (it has been in kinda beta-phase the last 3 Years). Well, I am not aware of the current status of "Basislehrjahr" in ZH but if your are interested drop me a line off-list and I'll ask one of the initiators of this project. Now they going to get rid of it and "creating" a new model called "Modularausbildung". (The apprentice has the choice of different modules) Actually this modularizing is taking place over all models of the apprenticeship. The idea is to make the apprentice work the same way like the further education is already. If you take a look at the way how the education for "Informatiker FA" and "Eidg. dipl. Informatiker" works you will see quite some parallels. :) They have suceeded this change in paradigms somewhen in the last two years. We had "Vorgezogene Teilabschlussprüfungen" last summer. The average marks over 3 Tests and 3 classes was 3.3. Nobody can tell me that it's only the students fault. Many things go wrong at school. Sure, it may be that students are lazier than yesterday. But it's not only the students fault. This sounds pretty much like your teachers missed some topics on the leaning plan or were not able to make you understand the stuff. This is quite unfortunate for the students and I am sorry for you, but tell me one thing: how are the grades spread over the measurement? I mean is it 90% at 3.3 or is it more like 10% at 2.5 (which AFIAK means not passed) and 40% at 4.0? And which parts of the LAP were taken? BA, BK and AB? Look, in the so called "Basislehrjahr" you have IT lessons the first 2 Years, then 2 Years without any IT lesson and then you have your final exams. That can't work. Well, IMO this depends on the apprentice and how the exams are taken. If you can take the school-part of the LAP when finishing the school (like your "Teilabschlussprüfing" I guess) this should work. If you have to take all the test at the end (like "normal" apprentices) it will be quite hard to refresh the learned stuff. I fully agree if you say the apprentices having a "normal" apprenticeship have a better mix of school and real world but the concept of Basislehrjahr should IMO work out as well if (and only if) the industry is accepting the apprentices going this way. And as I wrote this was a requirement of the industry but I have to admit I have more and more the feeling that exactly the guys who cried out for this idea are now declining applications from students finishing Basislehrjahr. :( Maybe the next "Modell" is better. I hope so. Otherwise the IT apprenticeship hasn't any future. Actually this "next modell" is not really changing that much. There will still be these three (or maybe soon only two) ways to become an Informatiker but instead of having a fixed plan in what order you have to take your lessons you can choose it more freely for yourself (or it's chosen for you by your employer) when and _where_ you take your modules. This means you can choose your education provider which will hopefully improve the quality of the modules because of the competitive situation on the market. Regards Roman ___ swinog mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.init7.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
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Hi * I agree on that and I am pretty sure there are some teachers around (or at least there were in Zuerich) which know OOP. I actually know one of the guys who wrote the basic script for the Java and OOP classes which are on the roadmap. [..] One of the most renowned OO experts teaches as a professor at the ETHZ: Bertrand Meyer, see google://eiffel, amazon://Object Oriented Software Construction. Daniel ___ swinog mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.init7.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
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The main problem can be found in our schools. They teach old stuff and aren't up to date. Teachers which dont know anything about OOP shouldn't teach application engineering. I cannot agree on that. Better learn to programm in procedural languages properly first and go to OOP afterwards and _slowly_. If something is new it may appear fresh, nice, and the best thing ever seen but if you lack the basic knowledge you will not get far with it Yes, but i think this wasn't his point. A teacher should know OOP, even if he doesn't teach it. I agree on that and I am pretty sure there are some teachers around (or at least there were in Zuerich) which know OOP. I actually know one of the guys who wrote the basic script for the Java and OOP classes which are on the roadmap. But as far as I know the teachers they stick pretty hard to their learning plan and for some reason (read the lines above) they normally neglect to loose a word on OOP before finishing procedural programming. I am quite aware that this might collide with the real world because apprentices are forced to learn and use OOP much earlier at their workplace but IMO this is not really the best thing for them. The world is just not perfect... Regards Roman ___ swinog mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.init7.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
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> For all of them applys following: In school they get a broad knowledge > of the basics of IT. It heavily depends on the company they are working > for what they are becoming specialised in. This is how it should be. But in most cases it isnt. I totally agree that the basics must be learned first and then taking the big parts (as OOP aso). BUT most teachers ran away from "real industry" many years ago. So they dont have any relation to what the industry is today. As an IT specialist, one have to be up to date (IMHO). > - Do a "Basislehrjahr". This is quite similar like the way school way > but exists longer. This way came up because some big companies felt like > their apprentices need some basic knowhow before they can be integrated > into the normal workingenvironment. So these companies are "buying" (pay > the school) the apprentices after their school-time and integrate them > directly in their IT departments. I'm taking this way of apprenticeship, the Basislehrjahr. I dont know how it looks in Canton of Zurich, but in Zug they realised that Basislehrjahr was a misstake (it has been in kinda beta-phase the last 3 Years). Now they going to get rid of it and "creating" a new model called "Modularausbildung". (The apprentice has the choice of different modules) We had "Vorgezogene Teilabschlussprüfungen" last summer. The average marks over 3 Tests and 3 classes was 3.3. Nobody can tell me that it's only the students fault. Many things go wrong at school. Sure, it may be that students are lazier than yesterday. But it's not only the students fault. Look, in the so called "Basislehrjahr" you have IT lessons the first 2 Years, then 2 Years without any IT lesson and then you have your final exams. That can't work. Maybe the next "Modell" is better. I hope so. Otherwise the IT apprenticeship hasn't any future. Just my 2 cents. Stefan - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ ___ swinog mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.init7.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] ASUS on board NIC with SAME mac address!
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 11:33:11AM +0200, Pascal Gloor wrote: > Problem: > > ASUS Motherboards P4S8X, P4S533-E, P4S533-VM, P4S333-VM, more (I wasnt able > to get a complete list, but there are probably some more..) > When you use the default WinXP SiS driver you will ALWAYS obtain the same > mac address and that is the reason of those repeating syslog messages: I organized a rather large lan party a couple of weeks back. Besides all the worms and virii this is an another extremly fun show stopper. At least its easely detected with arpwatchd which detects arp overwrites efficently and coupled with a nice script, simply kills the offending port on the switch. :) - Folken pgpkdVCt2f2OP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything?
* Roman Hochuli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > The main problem can be found in our schools. They teach old stuff > > and aren't up to date. Teachers which dont know anything about OOP > > shouldn't teach application engineering. > I cannot agree on that. Better learn to programm in procedural languages > properly first and go to OOP afterwards and _slowly_. If something is > new it may appear fresh, nice, and the best thing ever seen but if you > lack the basic knowledge you will not get far with it anyway... Yes, but i think this wasn't his point. A teacher should know OOP, even if he doesn't teach it. ___ swinog mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.init7.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
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Hello Folken Ok, I must be fair... it's been sometime since I reviewed things. But last time I looked over the "Lehr Abschluss Pruefungen" I saw things like: "An excel database for storage management". There are always LAP-projects which can be categorized in "I can setup.exe" but there are normally also projects way far on the other side of the scale. Last year I took the exam of an apprentice who explained their new Metro-DWDM-System, how the technology works and how it is used by his employer in detail. What the apprentice did not know before: his exam was the basis for training 30 persons of IT-staff who are operating this system now. They just needed to change the coversheet... Also needless to say he passed with a _very_ good grade. -- Kind regards, Roman Hochuli CCNP, CQS Cable GPS-Technik AG Zürcherstrasse 139 8952 Schlieren Switzerland Tel +41-1-7329977 Fax +41-1-7311840 X-NCC-RegID: ch.gps What a strange game. The only winning move is not to play. -- W.O.P.R., "War Games" ___ swinog mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.init7.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
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Title: RE: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything? > It depends on two factors: > * the apprentice > * the company offering the apprenticeship ACK. >> for sure it gives you a basic but broad knowledge about almost the >> whole IT area (of course without really specializing on a certain >> area). > I doubt that this is true. Someone working for a small KMU with 5 > people that does it services will have a vastly different set of > knowledge from someone who worked at UBS, Cablecom, or whatever. You're right, it was just my point of view after finishing the apprenticeship at a 'large swiss bank' where I had the opportunity to see some more IT services that just fixing a PC. But I don't want to imply that my former company is a good place for taking an IT apprenticeship. Of course there are lots of other factors than just 'putting the apprentice into different IT areas'. > I know lots of people with an finished it apprenticeship that > aren't really good with computers. Some of them changed class of > business right after finishing their apprenticeship. Some stayed > with a minimum wage. There also people which took an IT > apprenticeship just because they like to play counterstrike (this > isn't that much exagerrated). I totally agree with you that there are examples like that. And maybe there are more such examples compared to other jobs because there are lots of 'counterstrike gaming kids'. But in general, someone who took the IT apprenticeship _should_have_ a deeper (and/or broader) knowledge of IT than someone who did the PC Supporter course. cheers, andi
Re: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything?
Hello All This post is much longer than most messages on this list. So if you do not feel like reading right now postpone it to a point where you have time or just ignore this mail. :) It seems there are quite some "Informatiker" on this list. :) I consider myself also to this group even though - I am from the first official classes held (1995-1999) in ZH and a lot of the school-programm has changed in the mean time. - I am on the "opposite side" from an apprentice's view at the moment since I am judging a part of the "Lehrabschlussprüfung" (final exams) by order of Prüfungskommission 19 of Canton Zürich which are proceeding right in these months. Lukas Beeler and Andreas Kamer wrote: Well, I don't know what the IT apprenticeship is worth exactly, but It depends on two factors: * the apprentice * the company offering the apprenticeship I second that. For those not expirienced with this apprenticeship here some basic information about "Informatiker": - There are three different types of "Informatiker": - Informatiker Systemtechnik. They are doing the "normal" IT stuff as most of the persons on this list like systemadministration, network specialist and so on. - Informatiker Applikationsentwicklung. As the name already says they are specialised on development of applications but never let them touch your routers ;) This type of "Informatik" you mostly find at big banks like UB$ or C$ programming some business logic software like $AP or People$oft. - Geräteinformatiker. They are takeing care of your dead printers and copiers. For all of them applys following: In school they get a broad knowledge of the basics of IT. It heavily depends on the company they are working for what they are becoming specialised in. This does not mean they are not allowed/able to change the grounds. I did that myself. I did my apprenticeship in a company developing software for the logistics sector. Where I am working now you can guess by yourselfs considering I am posting on this list. :) When I started my apprenticeship the only way to become an "Informatiker" was to undertake the four year lasting apprenticeship. Right now there are besides the mentioned way which still exists following possibilities to become an "Informatiker": - Do the school path. This means you take a two years of fulltime school and do an internship for another two years before doing the exams. This way is provided by education institutes like Benedict and IBZ. My personal view of this way of education is not very good. Those people mostly have a lack of real-life expirience even after the internship. BTW: the apprentice has to pay the educationprovider for the two years... - Do a "Basislehrjahr". This is quite similar like the way school way but exists longer. This way came up because some big companies felt like their apprentices need some basic knowhow before they can be integrated into the normal workingenvironment. So these companies are "buying" (pay the school) the apprentices after their school-time and integrate them directly in their IT departments. - The "Way-Up Program". This programs consists of a re-education of absolvents of a commercial apprenticeship to make them "Applikationsentwickler". Here are the banks again. They need people who know the bank business but can write software as well. So this two year education was created. So this is definitively not comparable to certificates like 'PC Supporter SIZ'. I would like to second this as well. As an Informatiker you have a much broader and deeper background as well as 4 years of working in the real world. I hope it was an interesting read and wish everybody a nice evening. -- Kind regards, Roman Hochuli CCNP, CQS Cable GPS-Technik AG Zürcherstrasse 139 8952 Schlieren Switzerland Tel +41-1-7329977 Fax +41-1-7311840 X-NCC-RegID: ch.gps What a strange game. The only winning move is not to play. -- W.O.P.R., "War Games" ___ swinog mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.init7.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
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Hello Stefan > The main problem can be found in our schools. They teach old stuff > and aren't up to date. Teachers which dont know anything about OOP > shouldn't teach application engineering. I cannot agree on that. Better learn to programm in procedural languages properly first and go to OOP afterwards and _slowly_. If something is new it may appear fresh, nice, and the best thing ever seen but if you lack the basic knowledge you will not get far with it anyway... Regards Roman ___ swinog mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.init7.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
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On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 03:22:39PM +0200, Erich Hohermuth wrote: > > > Yep, the "Informatiker Lehre" ain't worth dirt. The only ones doing that > > and who I know that they will succeed, are without exception linux zealots. > > I think this statement is not true as a general rule, because it depends in > which company you make your apprentice. Agreed. Although apprentices are not company made. :) >In our company they have the > opportunity to learn about UNIX, CISCO and coding. After 4 years "part" > working they definitely have some experience in different parts of the IT > business. Lucky them! I had to endoure Windoze NT & Lotus Notes. > Regards > Erich > > -- > * Erich Hohermuth IP Engineer - SolNet (AS 9044) PGPKEY-46A08FCB * >* phone: +41 32 686 82 22 / sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * > ___ > swinog mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.init7.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog pgplBFaXQHN5x.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 03:41:25PM +0200, Kamer, Andreas wrote: > Hi all > > > > And those who learned "Informatiker"? > > > I know at least three guys who are searching for a job at the end > > > of their apprenticeship... It's also nothing worth in the real > > > world. > > Yep, the "Informatiker Lehre" ain't worth dirt. The only ones > > doing that and > > who I know that they will succeed, are without exception > > linux zealots. > > I finished my "Informatiker Lehre" (Fachrichtung Systemtechnik) two years > ago. > Most of my colleagues (including me) aren't working as UNIX/Linux admins. I was impling that they have a general interest in FOSS unrelated to their curicullum, not necessarly that that will be their profession later on. Further I'd like to elaborate, that in the early days of foss you needed a lot more work to get where you wanted as with other finished out of the box solutions. So if you got something to work, it usually meant to read a lot of documentation which ultimatley also thaught you something. (Heck, I even can recalibrate monitors now, thanks to ESR's XFreeTimings Howto.) > I know some guys working in System Engineering, Project Management or > Network Operations area (like me) for example. > But of course, I don't know if we (the guys mentioned above) really will > succeed ;-) Well many of those that I knew only played $favorite_pcgame all day, and those that I define as "successful" where interested in $programming_language. It's the attitude and what you make of it that matters. IT is simply not some $job where they teach you 90% of what you need to know in order to make a successfull career. > Well, I don't know what the IT apprenticeship is worth exactly, but for sure > it gives you a basic but broad knowledge about almost the whole IT area (of > course without really specializing on a certain area). So this is > definitively not comparable to certificates like 'PC Supporter SIZ'. Ok, I must be fair... it's been sometime since I reviewed things. But last time I looked over the "Lehr Abschluss Pruefungen" I saw things like: "An excel database for storage management". The guy I coached did his on ip_filter, checkpoint1 and iptables comparing the 3, explaining different approaches to different problems. I might add that it was his idea not mine, he simply consulted me on several points. Needless to say, he aced that exam. Maybe its just my personal hatred for people that go: "I'm Informatiker give me 120k a year and I'll do some mousing for ya." And believe me I have seen plenty of those... - Folken pgps8hTOpfaYQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
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* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The main problem can be found in our schools. They teach old > stuff and aren't up to date. News at 11. This problem is probably as old as schools are. When you're taking an apprenticeship, you basically have two options on how to deal with this: * Bitch and moan about it. You'll be right, but it won't change the reality in any way. (This is by no means an offense against you, i meant this in a general sense) * Do it better. Learn on your own, and try to organize courses for your classmates. If you have a good company, they'll probably help you with this. Tell your 'Lehrmeister' to complain about the school you are going to (their money, their rules). The second way is a lot tougher, and might not pay out in the end (maybe because you're the only one thats really interested in said topic > Teachers which dont know anything about OOP shouldn't teach > application engineering. We have classfull routing in school. Which is dead since a few years. I've tried to make this better, and talked to the teacher to give me an hour to hold a speech about cidr. I did this with some other topics, and it worked out pretty good in the end. > I hope the IT apprenticeship changes in future. Otherwise it won't worth much > anymore. It won't change on its own. ___ swinog mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.init7.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
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* Kamer, Andreas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Well, I don't know what the IT apprenticeship is worth exactly, but It depends on two factors: * the apprentice * the company offering the apprenticeship People have different ways to learn things, and different ways to teach things. There are people who like to learn on their own, with occasional help from others. But there are also people who can learn better/faster when they get examples, jobs, things to work out, and people that teach them on topic or the other. Iam still in an apprenticeship as 'Telematiker'. This job isn't fixed on IT, it consists mostly of telephony and installation (as in: real work for real men), and to a small part IT. I've been busy with IT stuff the last two years, and had to do everything on my own, with occasional help from people i knew (but not from inside the company). I did lots of mistakes, but i also learned many things. For me, this was a really cool way to learn things. While i had some 80hr weeks (which is probably illegal when taking an apprenticeship), i didnt have feel like quitting the job. Iam quite sure that not everyone likes this way to learn things this way, and would prefer to get a real education. Its based entirely upon luck, if apprentice and company give a good match or not. A friend of mine is taking an IT apprenticeship at the UBS. I don't think i could ever work/learn in such an environment, but he seems to be doing fine. > for sure it gives you a basic but broad knowledge about almost the > whole IT area (of course without really specializing on a certain > area). I doubt that this is true. Someone working for a small KMU with 5 people that does it services will have a vastly different set of knowledge from someone who worked at UBS, Cablecom, or whatever. > So this is definitively not comparable to certificates like 'PC > Supporter SIZ'. Not in this way. But if somebody has completed an IT apprenticeship, you don't if he is `good'. Same goes for somebody who did an 'PC Support SIZ'. I know lots of people with an finished it apprenticeship that aren't really good with computers. Some of them changed class of business right after finishing their apprenticeship. Some stayed with a minimum wage. There also people which took an IT apprenticeship just because they like to play counterstrike (this isn't that much exagerrated). It would be same with people who learn 'Automechaniker' just because they like to drive cars. ___ swinog mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.init7.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
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> Well, I don't know what the IT apprenticeship is worth exactly, but for sure > it gives you a basic but broad knowledge about almost the whole IT area (of > course without really specializing on a certain area). So this is > definitively not comparable to certificates like 'PC Supporter SIZ'. I'm doing a apprenticeship as "Informatiker" now in the fourth year. My expirience was, that it mostly depends on the company where you finish your apprenticeship. I had the ability to focus to the UNIX part in my companies IT departement. Over the last 2 years I learned loads of things about UNIX, Storage Solutions, Network and so on. So I think in my part it did worth. Those colleauges with less luck had to fix pcs and printers their whole apprenticeship without the ability to focus their apprenticeship to a certain part. The main problem can be found in our schools. They teach old stuff and aren't up to date. Teachers which dont know anything about OOP shouldn't teach application engineering. I hope the IT apprenticeship changes in future. Otherwise it won't worth much anymore. Regards Stefan Rothenbühler - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ ___ swinog mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.init7.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
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Title: RE: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything? Hi all > > And those who learned "Informatiker"? > > I know at least three guys who are searching for a job at the end > > of their apprenticeship... It's also nothing worth in the real > > world. > Yep, the "Informatiker Lehre" ain't worth dirt. The only ones > doing that and > who I know that they will succeed, are without exception > linux zealots. I finished my "Informatiker Lehre" (Fachrichtung Systemtechnik) two years ago. Most of my colleagues (including me) aren't working as UNIX/Linux admins. I know some guys working in System Engineering, Project Management or Network Operations area (like me) for example. But of course, I don't know if we (the guys mentioned above) really will succeed ;-) Well, I don't know what the IT apprenticeship is worth exactly, but for sure it gives you a basic but broad knowledge about almost the whole IT area (of course without really specializing on a certain area). So this is definitively not comparable to certificates like 'PC Supporter SIZ'. cheers, Andi Andreas Kamer Operations Engineer sunrise TDC Switzerland AG Network Operations Hofwisenstrasse 50 8153 Rümlang Phone +41 1 555 56 11 Mobile +41 76 300 64 43 Fax +41 1 555 56 08 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.sunrise.ch Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply E-mail. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to Internet E-mail for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my firm shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it.
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> Yep, the "Informatiker Lehre" ain't worth dirt. The only ones doing that > and who I know that they will succeed, are without exception linux zealots. I think this statement is not true as a general rule, because it depends in which company you make your apprentice. In our company they have the opportunity to learn about UNIX, CISCO and coding. After 4 years "part" working they definitely have some experience in different parts of the IT business. Regards Erich -- * Erich Hohermuth IP Engineer - SolNet (AS 9044) PGPKEY-46A08FCB * * phone: +41 32 686 82 22 / sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * ___ swinog mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.init7.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything?
Here's another reply which Folken forgot to send to the list and asked me to forward it. - Forwarded message from Folken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - =46rom: Folken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything? Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 01:36:36 +0200 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mail-Followup-To: Folken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 11:11:57AM +0200, Beat Rubischon wrote: > Am 23.04.04 schrieb Daniel Lorch: > > So the crucial questions are (please answer honestly): > >1. Did you know of this certification? Yes, I am LPI level 2 certified. > >2. If yes, do you accept it? > I don't think, that this certification is something worth. Well I found the tests somewhat different than the ones I have seen so far. It asks for a very broad range of knowledge and the examples are based on pratical situations which you have to have experienced in order to comprehend them. For this exam you simply cannot just read books and write it back down. =20 That said I have not attended classes for the above exam, so I do not know how much and well they teach these classes. If I was employing for a sysadmin position I'd defently prefeer somebody with that certification over another.=20 I'd think it would be a plus on any resume, if only for the catchy title. Switzerland is so "papierglauebig" that it won't hurt.=20 > Nothing is better then "Referenzen" - on the other hand, it's > completly impossible to sidegrade to IT business today. People > who learned a non-IT job like "KV" or a technical job wont get a > chance to start somewhere in IT and such certifications gives > them the only possibilities to show you something in case of an > application for employment.=20 That said I also agree with what Beat said above: Your best bet are References. The fastest way to earn these for a beginner is to do Internships at various IT jobs. I have found that this is quite difficult in Switzerland the only way seems to be either via a eth or other higher education institute, or a lot of "vitamin b". =20 > And those who learned "Informatiker"? > I know at least three guys who are searching for a job at the end > of their apprenticeship... It's also nothing worth in the real > world. Yep, the "Informatiker Lehre" ain't worth dirt. The only ones doing that and who I know that they will succeed, are without exception linux zealots. IT is simply not something you can go to "school" for. No IT School I=20 have seen is able to transmit the amount of knowledge required for any tech job above "Pc-Supporter". (And even at that level they seldom do=20 a good job.)=20 > Certificates don't help much. Not for the certified > one. May be for the certification authority who earn a lot of > money for the certificate? LPI is rather cheap by comparison: 300.- per level. (Tests only.) - Folken - End forwarded message - ___ swinog mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.init7.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
[swinog] ASUS on board NIC with SAME mac address!
Problem: ASUS Motherboards P4S8X, P4S533-E, P4S533-VM, P4S333-VM, more (I wasnt able to get a complete list, but there are probably some more..) When you use the default WinXP SiS driver you will ALWAYS obtain the same mac address and that is the reason of those repeating syslog messages: %UBR7200-3-BADARPREPLY% Interface CableX/0Y, ARP reply from invalid source. Expected SID=, Actual SID= ... Solution: Use the ASUS driver, not the WinXP one and you will get the correct mac address!! Link for download: http://www.asus.com.tw/support/download/selectftp.aspx?l1_id=1&l2_id=15&l3_id=14&m_id=1&f_name=lan_sp116.zip Pascal ___ swinog mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.init7.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
