Re: [sword-devel] Android SWORD

[SonWon]

Just my opinion but I am all for more speed  ;)  I use the reader during
sermons and some speakers move from Bible text to Bible text quite fast.
 Having a history feature tracking each verse is useful for later review.
 Just my two sense.  :)

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Kenneth Arnold wrote:

> Hi Martin and Troy,
>
> I finally got the AndBible source built; I needed to get the jsword source
> and also raise the memory limit for Eclipse--it thrashed and eventually
> crashed in the linker/dex step. There's still a dex warning that floods the
> Console, but it works on my Droid X. I made a few minor modifications to
> ensure I could, but nothing serious yet.
>
> Major things I'd like to work on as a user are navigation, continuous
> scrolling, and verse number sync. Also, do you think we should replace the
> backend with native libsword? That might help formatting and speed, but I
> don't know how deeply it's woven into the code. The Bishop code could be a
> useful example if we decide to go that way.
>
> Should we continue discussion on this list?
>
> -Ken (mobile)
>
> On Aug 26, 2010 1:39 AM, "Troy A. Griffitts"  wrote:
>
> Dear Ken,
>
> Thank you for the debug.  I also have had trouble with the installer and
> haven't had time to look into it.
>
> The history is that I build Bishop as a sort of proof of concept for the
> java-jni bindings for Android.  I mostly work in the engine code.  The
> jni binding code I kept in SWORD SVN and the Bishop code I just backed
> up occasionally to our server.  Last year my drive crashed and I lost
> some work but might have pieced it all back together.  Here is an email
> I sent to Gary with links to all my stuff.
>
> __
>
> After last year when I started the work I had a harddrive die on my
> laptop.  I had been backing up the work regularly, but lost about 2
> weeks of work in the crash.  I used a recovery tool to salvage many of
> the files from the bishop project and think I may have close to what is
> in the apk.  Here are my resources if you want to try to piece things
> together:
>
> Lastest binary when I stopped, dated 11-18-2009:
>
> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bishop.apk
> Latest backup of source, dated 10-31-2009:
> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bishop-20091031.tar.gz
>
> Latest binary after reconstructing source and I think some small new
> work (I think this is built with debug symbols in the native library so
> it's a little bigger):
>
> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bishop2.apk
> Current backup of source which built the above:
> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bishop-20100804.tar.gz
>
> Please excuse my ignorance of Android programming.  I am fumbling
> through it all.
>
> I remember having trouble with the InstallMgr.  It sometimes connects
> and downloads and other times it does not.  I thought it might be the
> limited memory on my G1 or some trouble with the timing of the FTP code
> in the native library.  I've found serious bugs in Android's system
> calls, (e.g. memccpy) and reported it to them, but they still haven't
> fixed it.  I use my own version in the ftp lib to avoid the bug.  That
> is where I stopped-- thinking I needed to debug this ftp intermittent
> issue.  I didn't compare how well the older .apk works versus the newer
> .apk.  Maybe the older version worked better?  Or maybe a newer version
> of Android or new phone works better?
>
> Let me know what you find.
>
> Troy
>
>
>
>
> On 08/24/2010 09:01 PM, Kenneth Arnold wrote:
> > I just got an Android phone, and after seeing the...
>
>
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Re: [sword-devel] Android SWORD

[David Forslund]

 I agree.  Quick verse selection is highly 
desirable.   Scrolling through all the books of 
the Bible is far too slow.  I've found that a grid 
selection available on some bible readers works 
quite fast.  Also, bookmarks and/or a history of 
viewed verses is very useful.   Having the back 
arrow take one to a previous verse is very 
useful.Being able to navigate a set of 
bookmarked verses is helpful in a worship service.


Dave
On 8/29/2010 7:04 AM, SonWon wrote:
Just my opinion but I am all for more speed  ;) 
 I use the reader during sermons and some 
speakers move from Bible text to Bible text 
quite fast.  Having a history feature tracking 
each verse is useful for later review.  Just my 
two sense.  :)


On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Kenneth Arnold 
> wrote:


Hi Martin and Troy,

I finally got the AndBible source built; I
needed to get the jsword source and also
raise the memory limit for Eclipse--it
thrashed and eventually crashed in the
linker/dex step. There's still a dex warning
that floods the Console, but it works on my
Droid X. I made a few minor modifications to
ensure I could, but nothing serious yet.

Major things I'd like to work on as a user
are navigation, continuous scrolling, and
verse number sync. Also, do you think we
should replace the backend with native
libsword? That might help formatting and
speed, but I don't know how deeply it's
woven into the code. The Bishop code could
be a useful example if we decide to go that
way.

Should we continue discussion on this list?

-Ken (mobile)


On Aug 26, 2010 1:39 AM, "Troy A.
Griffitts" mailto:scr...@crosswire.org>> wrote:

Dear Ken,

Thank you for the debug.  I also have had
trouble with the installer and
haven't had time to look into it.

The history is that I build Bishop as a
sort of proof of concept for the
java-jni bindings for Android.  I mostly
work in the engine code.  The
jni binding code I kept in SWORD SVN and
the Bishop code I just backed
up occasionally to our server.  Last year
my drive crashed and I lost
some work but might have pieced it all back
together.  Here is an email
I sent to Gary with links to all my stuff.

__

After last year when I started the work I
had a harddrive die on my
laptop.  I had been backing up the work
regularly, but lost about 2
weeks of work in the crash.  I used a
recovery tool to salvage many of
the files from the bishop project and think
I may have close to what is
in the apk.  Here are my resources if you
want to try to piece things
together:

Lastest binary when I stopped, dated
11-18-2009:

http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bishop.apk


Latest backup of source, dated 10-31-2009:
http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bishop-20091031.tar.gz


Latest binary after reconstructing source
and I think some small new
work (I think this is built with debug
symbols in the native library so
it's a little bigger):

http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bishop2.apk


Current backup of source which built the above:
http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bishop-20100804.tar.gz


Please excuse my ignorance of Android
programming.  I am fumbling
through it all.

I remember having trouble with the
InstallMgr.  It sometimes connects
and downloads and other times it does not.
 I thought it might be the
limited memory on my G1 or some trouble
with the timing of the FTP code
in the native library.  I've found serious
bugs in Android's system
calls, (e.g. memccpy) and reported it to
them, but they still haven't
fixed it.  I use my own version in the ftp
lib to avoid the bug.  That
is where I stopped-- thinking I needed to
debug this ftp intermittent
issue.  I didn't compare how well the older
.apk works versus the newer
.apk.  Maybe the older version worked
better?  Or maybe a newer version
of Android or new phone works better?

Let me know what you find.

Troy



On 08/24/2010 09:01 PM, Kenneth Arnold wrote:
> I just got an Android phone, and after
seeing the...



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Re: [sword-devel] Android SWORD

[David Forslund]

 One other request is to try to reduce the size 
of the application.  It is over 8Mbytes on my 
Droid and is one of the largest applications on 
the phone (around the size of Google Maps).
Other Biblereaders are significantly smaller.   I 
would hope the size could be reduced.  I don't 
know if going to the native libsword would be 
smaller or not.


Thanks,

Dave
On 8/29/2010 7:04 AM, SonWon wrote:
Just my opinion but I am all for more speed  ;) 
 I use the reader during sermons and some 
speakers move from Bible text to Bible text 
quite fast.  Having a history feature tracking 
each verse is useful for later review.  Just my 
two sense.  :)


On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Kenneth Arnold 
> wrote:


Hi Martin and Troy,

I finally got the AndBible source built; I
needed to get the jsword source and also
raise the memory limit for Eclipse--it
thrashed and eventually crashed in the
linker/dex step. There's still a dex warning
that floods the Console, but it works on my
Droid X. I made a few minor modifications to
ensure I could, but nothing serious yet.

Major things I'd like to work on as a user
are navigation, continuous scrolling, and
verse number sync. Also, do you think we
should replace the backend with native
libsword? That might help formatting and
speed, but I don't know how deeply it's
woven into the code. The Bishop code could
be a useful example if we decide to go that
way.

Should we continue discussion on this list?

-Ken (mobile)


On Aug 26, 2010 1:39 AM, "Troy A.
Griffitts" mailto:scr...@crosswire.org>> wrote:

Dear Ken,

Thank you for the debug.  I also have had
trouble with the installer and
haven't had time to look into it.

The history is that I build Bishop as a
sort of proof of concept for the
java-jni bindings for Android.  I mostly
work in the engine code.  The
jni binding code I kept in SWORD SVN and
the Bishop code I just backed
up occasionally to our server.  Last year
my drive crashed and I lost
some work but might have pieced it all back
together.  Here is an email
I sent to Gary with links to all my stuff.

__

After last year when I started the work I
had a harddrive die on my
laptop.  I had been backing up the work
regularly, but lost about 2
weeks of work in the crash.  I used a
recovery tool to salvage many of
the files from the bishop project and think
I may have close to what is
in the apk.  Here are my resources if you
want to try to piece things
together:

Lastest binary when I stopped, dated
11-18-2009:

http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bishop.apk


Latest backup of source, dated 10-31-2009:
http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bishop-20091031.tar.gz


Latest binary after reconstructing source
and I think some small new
work (I think this is built with debug
symbols in the native library so
it's a little bigger):

http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bishop2.apk


Current backup of source which built the above:
http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bishop-20100804.tar.gz


Please excuse my ignorance of Android
programming.  I am fumbling
through it all.

I remember having trouble with the
InstallMgr.  It sometimes connects
and downloads and other times it does not.
 I thought it might be the
limited memory on my G1 or some trouble
with the timing of the FTP code
in the native library.  I've found serious
bugs in Android's system
calls, (e.g. memccpy) and reported it to
them, but they still haven't
fixed it.  I use my own version in the ftp
lib to avoid the bug.  That
is where I stopped-- thinking I needed to
debug this ftp intermittent
issue.  I didn't compare how well the older
.apk works versus the newer
.apk.  Maybe the older version worked
better?  Or maybe a newer version
of Android or new phone works better?

Let me know what you find.

Troy



On 08/24/2010 09:01 PM, Kenneth Arnold wrote:
> I just got an Android phone, and after
seeing the...



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Re: [sword-devel] Android SWORD

[Wes Widner]

I think the size issue could be solved somewhat if we could get the module
loading system to download and open modules from the SD card rather than
having them bundled into the application's .apk

Also, for what it's worth, I want to throw my vote in for using libsword via
JNI.

-Wes


On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 8:18 PM, David Forslund  wrote:

>  One other request is to try to reduce the size of the application.  It is
> over 8Mbytes on my Droid and is one of the largest applications on the phone
> (around the size of Google Maps).Other Biblereaders are significantly
> smaller.   I would hope the size could be reduced.  I don't know if going to
> the native libsword would be smaller or not.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Dave
> On 8/29/2010 7:04 AM, SonWon wrote:
>
> Just my opinion but I am all for more speed  ;)  I use the reader during
> sermons and some speakers move from Bible text to Bible text quite fast.
>  Having a history feature tracking each verse is useful for later review.
>  Just my two sense.  :)
>
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Kenneth Arnold wrote:
>
>> Hi Martin and Troy,
>>
>> I finally got the AndBible source built; I needed to get the jsword source
>> and also raise the memory limit for Eclipse--it thrashed and eventually
>> crashed in the linker/dex step. There's still a dex warning that floods the
>> Console, but it works on my Droid X. I made a few minor modifications to
>> ensure I could, but nothing serious yet.
>>
>> Major things I'd like to work on as a user are navigation, continuous
>> scrolling, and verse number sync. Also, do you think we should replace the
>> backend with native libsword? That might help formatting and speed, but I
>> don't know how deeply it's woven into the code. The Bishop code could be a
>> useful example if we decide to go that way.
>>
>> Should we continue discussion on this list?
>>
>> -Ken (mobile)
>>
>>  On Aug 26, 2010 1:39 AM, "Troy A. Griffitts" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Ken,
>>
>> Thank you for the debug.  I also have had trouble with the installer and
>> haven't had time to look into it.
>>
>> The history is that I build Bishop as a sort of proof of concept for the
>> java-jni bindings for Android.  I mostly work in the engine code.  The
>> jni binding code I kept in SWORD SVN and the Bishop code I just backed
>> up occasionally to our server.  Last year my drive crashed and I lost
>> some work but might have pieced it all back together.  Here is an email
>> I sent to Gary with links to all my stuff.
>>
>> __
>>
>> After last year when I started the work I had a harddrive die on my
>> laptop.  I had been backing up the work regularly, but lost about 2
>> weeks of work in the crash.  I used a recovery tool to salvage many of
>> the files from the bishop project and think I may have close to what is
>> in the apk.  Here are my resources if you want to try to piece things
>> together:
>>
>> Lastest binary when I stopped, dated 11-18-2009:
>>
>> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bishop.apk
>>  Latest backup of source, dated 10-31-2009:
>> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bishop-20091031.tar.gz
>>
>> Latest binary after reconstructing source and I think some small new
>> work (I think this is built with debug symbols in the native library so
>> it's a little bigger):
>>
>> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bishop2.apk
>>  Current backup of source which built the above:
>> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bishop-20100804.tar.gz
>>
>> Please excuse my ignorance of Android programming.  I am fumbling
>> through it all.
>>
>> I remember having trouble with the InstallMgr.  It sometimes connects
>> and downloads and other times it does not.  I thought it might be the
>> limited memory on my G1 or some trouble with the timing of the FTP code
>> in the native library.  I've found serious bugs in Android's system
>> calls, (e.g. memccpy) and reported it to them, but they still haven't
>> fixed it.  I use my own version in the ftp lib to avoid the bug.  That
>> is where I stopped-- thinking I needed to debug this ftp intermittent
>> issue.  I didn't compare how well the older .apk works versus the newer
>> .apk.  Maybe the older version worked better?  Or maybe a newer version
>> of Android or new phone works better?
>>
>> Let me know what you find.
>>
>> Troy
>>
>>
>>
>> On 08/24/2010 09:01 PM, Kenneth Arnold wrote:
>>  > I just got an Android phone, and after seeing the...
>>
>>
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