Re: [sword-devel] [jsword-devel] Missing short bible book names for most languages
I've occasionally received source text files (non-English versions) where the same abbreviation was used for two different books! e.g. Jud used for Judges and Jude e.g. Jo used for Joshua and John, not to mention Jonah and Joel. These delinquencies certainly catch out the unwary, and require extra workarounds. Martin, For all the listed languages where you don't have the short abbreviations, do you already have the full book names? David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Re-jsword-devel-Missing-short-bible-book-names-for-most-languages-tp3208614p3215420.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Bibtex for modules
On 12/01/11 20:27, Greg Hellings wrote: On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Chris Little chris...@crosswire.org wrote: This is an excellent idea, but I worry about BibTeX being the wrong format to encourage academic use. I love LaTeX, personally. I just spent a day putting together a reader for my class in LaTeX. But I'm probably in a minority here, and outside of math sciences, I believe almost no one uses LaTeX. It is a fairly old format, so there are lots of importers for other software like EndNote. I hear the limited use of LaTeX is pretty much relegated to graduate school and students. That is, of course, anecdotal information. While LaTeX by itself is indeed fairly restricted in its use circles, I think BibTeX reaches _a_lot_ further - it is the primary format of all Linux based stand-alone bibliography managers I know of. In fact going through my Ubuntu repos just now I could not find a single reference manager which did not work with BibTex as its native format. It can be used by OpenOffice, Zotero imports these just fine. So, I have no objection to alternative formats, nor do I think that templating is a bad idea, but to be honest, the more complicated the specification, the less likely it will see the light of day, no? So, either a single reference system conf entry added or (more difficult to maintain) a increased list of compulsory conf entries which then get parsed to create references in whatever format desired. Parsing could happen as Chris suggested with the help of a nightly cron script or it could happen with a simple templating as Greg suggested. Right now we could with little effort add to every existing module a reasonable reference, could impose some further specification onto the conf file to make automatic creation simple and could retrieve the citation with an existing method from the conf file. Having the conf file as the central place where this info is kept would allow also third party tools/scripts to create a bibliography of installed modules when frontends are slow to pick up on the new facility. Peter ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
[sword-devel] ICU-headers and ./configure
./configure --with-icu appears to not catch up on the fact that libicu-dev is not installed. Just got caught out on a new system Peter ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] [jsword-devel] Missing short bible book names for most languages
Hi David, Yes we have the full book names in BibleNames_*.propertieshttp://www.crosswire.org/svn/jsword/trunk/jsword/src/main/resources/org/crosswire/jsword/versification/so somebody could possibly guesstimate reasonable abbreviated book names from the full book names. There is the possibility of initially merely using the guesstimates in And Bible until they were proven by a public release and then pushing them back up to (J)Sword depending on how confident people felt. Looking through them again I think it would be possible to guess most abbreviations and it may well be that there is no agreed abbreviation anyway e.g. there are various acceptable abbreviations for Philippians, 2 Corinthians, etc. so our guesstimates might be considered valid. On consideration it would probably make more sense to manually guesstimate abbreviations than to attempt to automate abbreviations in code. Thai and Ukranian could pose challenges but should be doable with a bit of guesswork. Regards Martin On 13 January 2011 08:34, David Haslam dfh...@googlemail.com wrote: I've occasionally received source text files (non-English versions) where the same abbreviation was used for two different books! e.g. Jud used for Judges and Jude e.g. Jo used for Joshua and John, not to mention Jonah and Joel. These delinquencies certainly catch out the unwary, and require extra workarounds. Martin, For all the listed languages where you don't have the short abbreviations, do you already have the full book names? David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Re-jsword-devel-Missing-short-bible-book-names-for-most-languages-tp3208614p3215420.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] ICU-headers and ./configure
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 4:00 AM, Peter von Kaehne ref...@gmx.net wrote: ./configure --with-icu appears to not catch up on the fact that libicu-dev is not installed. Just got caught out on a new system This is a long standing issue and has been reported several times. I can only guess that no one here really knows how to fix it (I certainly don't). I recommend cmake ;) Matthew ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Bibtex for modules
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011, Peter von Kaehne ref...@gmx.net wrote: Modules really should have bibtex or something similar in their conf file. This would improve the use of our library for academic purposes. Some design questions for you. (Always better to fix bug in design than in the debug or production phase. Standard software engineering procedures; the more time spent in design the less time in the debugger.) a) How does the end user get the bibliographic citation out of the .conf file for a module? b) How does an end user reformat a specific citation from obtained from Sword converted to another format? c) Why not delegate the bibliographic information to the module provider? Chris Little mentioned in an email that it would be possible to generate the bibliographic information on the Crosswire server. Why not leave it there and the very few people who really need it can grab it from the server. d) Why does any mention of Sword (or Crosswire) need to be made for those modules that have not been through some textual amendation process? In citing a book, paper, article, or other resource discovered online one doesn't say found with Google, or in a search result from Bing. The bibliographic information a scholar would require is author(s)/editor(s), year of publication , edition, place(s) of publication. In the main those are going to be the original publisher. Crosswire only needs be credited if copy-editing changes have been made to the text; I contend that claiming for marking up a module is unecessary. Regards, Trevor Re: deemed! ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Bibtex for modules
On 13/01/11 16:57, Trevor Jenkins wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2011, Peter von Kaehne ref...@gmx.net wrote: Modules really should have bibtex or something similar in their conf file. This would improve the use of our library for academic purposes. Some design questions for you. (Always better to fix bug in design than in the debug or production phase. Standard software engineering procedures; the more time spent in design the less time in the debugger.) a) How does the end user get the bibliographic citation out of the .conf file for a module? Was explained in previous email. But a) there is a method in libsword for getting conf entries (so frontends can access this) and b) the conf files are there, public and accessibly in your home directory, so anything/anyone can get it from there without using a frontend. b) How does an end user refomat a specific citation from obtained from Sword converted to another format? Absolutely any and every open source bibliographic software can handle BibTeX - at least as import format, if not as native format. Most can also export into other formats. c) Why not delegate the bibliographic information to the module provider? Chris Little mentioned in an email that it would be possible to generate the bibliographic information on the Crosswire server. Why not leave it there and the very few people who really need it can grab it from the server. Why? To make it more complicated to access? 100-200 bytes added material ? Why should this not in the conf file? d) Why does any mention of Sword (or Crosswire) need to be made for those modules that have not been through some textual amendation process? In citing a book, paper, article, or other resource discovered online one doesn't say found with Google, or in a search result from Bing. The bibliographic information a scholar would require is author(s)/editor(s), year of publication , edition, place(s) of publication. In the main those are going to be the original publisher. Crosswire only needs be credited if copy-editing changes have been made to the text; I contend that claiming for marking up a module is unecessary. Massive difference to Google, which links to content rather than providing content Apart from that Greg has answered this. I think his answer stands. Peter ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
[sword-devel] Server Migration
Dear CrossWire Community Members, Today we migrated our servers away from our longstanding provider, Extreme Internet, to a new Retina Scanning, Rifle Guarded facility in downtown Phoenix. For quite a number of years Extreme Internet has subsidized much of our cost for server colocation and has provided great service. Unfortunately, over the past 8 months we haven't seen eye to eye on a few issues, though I want to stress my sincere appreciation for all that Extreme Internet has done for us for so many years. Thanks can be forwarded to Tim Dean, the owner, at tdean at extremezone dot com. I also would like to credit Jonathan Marsden for how smooth our transition went today. He professionally and on very short notice took the lead on this and migrated our DNS services, provided a temporary FTP fail-over so our installers kept chunking away, and hosted a temporary We're in the process of moving... http service so people didn't panic during the physical transportation of our hardware. Only myself can be blamed for the move taking nearly half a day instead of a much shorter cut-over; my apologies J. Praise God for always providing everything, Looking forward to many more years of sharing in work together as we move forward together. Troy ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
