Re: [sword-devel] Has the Russian Synodal Translation been removed?
Original-Nachricht Datum: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Von: Pypsik Pypsik pypsic...@yahoo.com An: sword-devel@crosswire.org Betreff: Re: [sword-devel] Has the Russian Synodal Translation been removed? Chris, I've sent you an e-mail with request for more information in regards to the reasons why the RST was removed from the Sword repository. Lookig at teh module I would think it is the Strong numbering and the morphology. Unless the text itself had been updated. But all this is a guess. For the strongs we have of course another NT module of the RST. Peter Although I'm not the original submitter of RST module, however I'd like to do what it takes to get it back in the repository. Please let me know. Thank you and God Bless~ - Pypsik --- On Sat, 3/26/11, sword-devel-requ...@crosswire.org sword-devel-requ...@crosswire.org wrote: From: sword-devel-requ...@crosswire.org sword-devel-requ...@crosswire.org Subject: sword-devel Digest, Vol 84, Issue 20 To: sword-devel@crosswire.org Date: Saturday, March 26, 2011, 7:00 PM Send sword-devel mailing list submissions to sword-devel@crosswire.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to sword-devel-requ...@crosswire.org You can reach the person managing the list at sword-devel-ow...@crosswire.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of sword-devel digest... Today's Topics: 1. Has the Russian Synodal Translation been removed? (Martin Denham) 2. Re: Has the Russian Synodal Translation been removed? (Chris Little) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:18:28 + From: Martin Denham mjden...@gmail.com To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum sword-devel@crosswire.org Subject: [sword-devel] Has the Russian Synodal Translation been removed? Message-ID: aanlktikscjmaxfsbq3q-jedpkbpuhbee9ugoutun2...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi, The Russian Synodal Translation has disappeared from the And Bible download list but I am wondering if there is a general problem because it also seems to be missing from the CrossWire module list here: http://www.crosswire.org/sword/modules/ModDisp.jsp?modType=Bibles unless I am looking in the wrong place. Thanks Martin -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/attachments/20110325/aad187a1/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 00:58:30 -0700 From: Chris Little chris...@crosswire.org To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum sword-devel@crosswire.org Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Has the Russian Synodal Translation been removed? Message-ID: 4d8d9ca6.2030...@crosswire.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Yes, unfortunately it was discovered that this module contained copyrighted content. The non-copyrighted portions remain available in the RusSynodal module that was intended to replace this in any case. --Chris On 3/25/2011 12:18 PM, Martin Denham wrote: Hi, The Russian Synodal Translation has disappeared from the And Bible download list but I am wondering if there is a general problem because it also seems to be missing from the CrossWire module list here: http://www.crosswire.org/sword/modules/ModDisp.jsp?modType=Bibles unless I am looking in the wrong place. Thanks Martin ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -- ___ sword-devel mailing list sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel End of sword-devel Digest, Vol 84, Issue 20 *** -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Has the Russian Synodal Translation been removed?
Hello, listen, please, to my reasonings, concerning of removal RST from the main repository. RST was the only worthy russian module, and everywhere at forums there was a speech about Sword software there was a speech about RST module. Many russian users very long time used the module containing mistakes and the publication of qualitative Synodal translation was expected. Instead they remain with nothing. Removal, without offering anything in exchange it is like we want to lose russian users. But they too are very valuable, at least for me! If CrossWire administration considers that RST has protected contents and the legal owner does not wish to authorise for distribution of this module, it should be removed. But we should prepare something in replacement. Both reasons of removal can be solved. Strong's numbers can be cut out, and the text can be taken from RusSynodal and converted in KJV versification. System for conversion and necessary mapping tables from Synodal to KJV v11n are made by me four months ago. But nobody has suggested to make anything similar before the removal. The love in the Christ means open dialogue between brothers, closeness and not desire to share the opinions and plans gives the rise of incomprehension, it is as a crack where seeds of a devil fall and growing into division between people. Forgive me, if it has wounded someone. Yes, unfortunately it was discovered that this module contained copyrighted content. The non-copyrighted portions remain available in the RusSynodal module that was intended to replace this in any case. Chris ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Has the Russian Synodal Translation been removed?
The RusSynodal module exists of course, but is in the experimental repo. The solution to this is a) rapid move of all av11n modules into the av11n repo (out of experimental) b) update of the repolist refresher for the module manager. JSWORD, which will crash on the RusSynodal does of course not use the repolist, so there is no reason for fear. All other frontends do not crash AFAIK with a av11n module, they might just not show all texts/books. If I have permissions (on the server and in general) I could effect something like this tonight. Peter Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:16:55 +0400 Von: Konstantin Maslyuk kale...@mail.ru An: SWORD Developers\' Collaboration Forum sword-devel@crosswire.org Betreff: Re: [sword-devel] Has the Russian Synodal Translation been removed? Hello, listen, please, to my reasonings, concerning of removal RST from the main repository. RST was the only worthy russian module, and everywhere at forums there was a speech about Sword software there was a speech about RST module. Many russian users very long time used the module containing mistakes and the publication of qualitative Synodal translation was expected. Instead they remain with nothing. Removal, without offering anything in exchange it is like we want to lose russian users. But they too are very valuable, at least for me! If CrossWire administration considers that RST has protected contents and the legal owner does not wish to authorise for distribution of this module, it should be removed. But we should prepare something in replacement. Both reasons of removal can be solved. Strong's numbers can be cut out, and the text can be taken from RusSynodal and converted in KJV versification. System for conversion and necessary mapping tables from Synodal to KJV v11n are made by me four months ago. But nobody has suggested to make anything similar before the removal. The love in the Christ means open dialogue between brothers, closeness and not desire to share the opinions and plans gives the rise of incomprehension, it is as a crack where seeds of a devil fall and growing into division between people. Forgive me, if it has wounded someone. Yes, unfortunately it was discovered that this module contained copyrighted content. The non-copyrighted portions remain available in the RusSynodal module that was intended to replace this in any case. Chris ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -- GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 Euro/mtl.! Jetzt mit gratis Handy-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
[sword-devel] Has the Russian Synodal Translation been removed?
Chris, per our discussion via e-mails, there were TWO reasons for removal of RST. Reason 1: RST module having KJV versification - meaning that in a printed copy of Russian Bible some verses are combined, where in KJV they are split into two separate verses, etc. Sounds like some front-ends crash and NOT able to present/consume RST versification. So, for years the RST Bible that was out there, used the KJV versification with no problems. I've used it in Windows Sword, iPod Touch, Android phone with no problems. Per our latest correspondence you've told me the following: 1) The KJV and its versification system are in the public domain, due to their age. The Synodal Bible and its versification system are also in the public domain, due to their age. The act of mapping the Synodal Bible onto the KJV versification system is a complex procedure that was done by hand, and the company that commissioned it claims copyright. Yes, both are in public domain, but conversion from Synodal to KJV, can't it be done with something like this of a command with utils out there? osis2mod rsto RST_My_Bible.xml -z -v KJV I'm at a loss as to why this conversion would be copyrighted. It's a relatively a simple process. If anyone can please explain, shed more light on this, I'd greatly appreciate it... Reason 2: Strong Numbers being present in the RST that was removed. Per our discussion you've mentioned: Strong's numbers aren't themselves copyrighted, but their assignment to particular words in a text generally requires hand tagging. The company that commissioned the Strong's tagging claims copyright on them. Further, the company that holds copyright on this particular Synodal Bible text is not interested in licensing it. I'd like to know WHO is this company, perhaps I or others can try to contact them and work thru this and reach an agreement. Some of the apps that use RST module out there with Strong Numbers have this line: Strong's coding copyrighted by Bob Jones University, 1996 So is it a matter of contacting BJU (I'll fly out there if I have to!) or the russian app owners and ask permission? Again, brethren, what are you thoughts on this item/reason #2? --- In summary, I wholeheartedly agree...removing the RST module and leaving Slavic speaking users without any FULL russian Bible is not a good thing at all. What I don't get, is: After years of RST being out there, (with thousands of mistakes of spaces missing between words..which we've set out to correct)...if there were formal/informal complaints lodged against Crosswire that we are in fact violating #2 reason, why have we not been given a chance to review those complaints, STRIP OUT Strong Numbers for the time being, as we work on some agreement and have non-Strong RST Bible out there in the meantime? However, contrary to this, no recourse or chance to correct was presented to us, instead...** pf ** and the Bible disappeared. In all due respect, this is NOT how this should have transpired and how WE should operate. Personally, I agree that Strong numbers maybe an issue, but KJV versification...? In regards to RST in experimental repo, the last I knew, the one out there is old and dull, and doesn't have the corrections. For that very reason, Wjatscheslaw has submitted a corrected RST a year ago. My and other folks inquiry as to the status of this correct RST - resulted in the existing RST-with-mistakes being removed. But, submitted corrected RSTis a whole different story...for another day for the time being What needs to be done get this RST-with-spaces-missing that was out there for years back in the Sword Repository..so that users have something!?? Remove Strong numbers? Please Chris, Troy, Peter, David, anyonelet me know. Thank you and God Bless~ - Pypsik --- On Mon, 3/28/11, sword-devel-requ...@crosswire.org sword-devel-requ...@crosswire.org wrote: From: sword-devel-requ...@crosswire.org sword-devel-requ...@crosswire.org Subject: sword-devel Digest, Vol 84, Issue 21 To: sword-devel@crosswire.org Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 2:49 PM Send sword-devel mailing list submissions to sword-devel@crosswire.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to sword-devel-requ...@crosswire.org You can reach the person managing the list at sword-devel-ow...@crosswire.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of sword-devel digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Has the Russian Synodal Translation been removed? (Pypsik Pypsik) 2. Re: Has the Russian Synodal Translation been removed? (Peter von Kaehne) 3. Re: Has the Russian Synodal Translation been removed? (Konstantin Maslyuk) 4. Re: Has the Russian Synodal Translation been removed? (Peter von
[sword-devel] Roman Catholic Commentary whole Bible
Guys, I have found this here: http://haydock1859.tripod.com/id2.html A RC commentary of the whole Bible. It is public domain and laid out in a fashion which should make import a doodle. I am not going to do this right now as I got my plate full, but felt I should pass this on. Peter ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
[sword-devel] Help with versification
My wife and I are team members of a minority Bible translation that we have received permission to proceed with the final stages of preparing a SWORD module for and a GoBible module. I don't completely understand how versification works. In the Sword module things work pretty well. Our translation of Matthew 1 has verse numberings that go like this: 1, 2-6, 7-11, 12-16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25. In Sword it is currently displayed like this: 1, 2, 7, 12, 17, 18, etc. It would be preferable if I could get it to display like the first set, but that isn't so big of a problem. However in GoBible I have a major problem because it displays like this: 1,2 (represents 2-6), 3 (represents 7-11), 4 (represents 12-16), 5 (17), 6 (18), and so on. Did I make myself clear? Is there anything I can do to keep the GoBible looking pretty but not have people look for a certain verse reference and find out that it is several verses off because of how we have combined some verses due to translation practice? Any help would be appreciated, Thanks ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
