Re: [sword-devel] BREW Development?

2011-06-15 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Thanks Mike, for following this through. A shame, but can not be helped.

Peter

On 15/06/11 07:18, Mike Hart wrote:
> Just to follow up on BREW.  Unlike J2ME apps, Each Application published via
> = BREW is for a single model of phone on a single wireless carrier only.  To
> publish a Bible app on a single model phone on all phone carriers in the US,
> That would be about 20 publications.   Each publication has a certification
> process that runs into the hundreds of dollars.   While I thought I saw
> there was now a 'free' alternative, it appears to be limited to AT&T carrier
> applications only and is about the "prove your background" preliminary steps
> (also over a hundred dollars) and not the publication process. 
> 
> Bottom line, BREW is not an open system, and is not compatible with the
> business model Sword and GoBible operate under (free, Free, FREE.) 
> 
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Re: [sword-devel] pocketsword - maintainer mode

2011-06-15 Thread Nic Carter

Thanks Peter,

It's encouraging to hear how people are using PocketSword and especially when I 
hear of people using the "module maintainer mode" in the way I initially 
envisaged it -- a "module maintainer" (or module creator) manually installing a 
module for testing purposes over a Wi-Fi network.  :)
[FYI, I originally had it working over 3G networks, too, but I'm not sure if 
that still works!]


Thanks for the encouragement . . .  hopefully I'll make some time in the next 
month to finish off the iPad version ;)
ybic
nic...  :)

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> This is just a thank you to Nic:
> 
> Together with a bible translator friend I worked on his translation last
> weekend, to give it the last clean-up in terms of encoding etc. I then
> created a module, which should appear in due course.
> 
> When I tried to figure out how to put it into his iPhone, I stumbled
> over the maintainer mode - this is such a simple and beautiful idea to
> upload a module into a handheld device - I am really impressed!
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Peter
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[sword-devel] Help converting text to imp

2011-06-15 Thread Angel Candelaria
Hi all.

I need to convert another text I have to imp format.  Right now I have
it in vpl format, no book or chapter headings - just exactly 31,102
lines of verses.

Is there a way I can add the required imp markup (I mean, the $$$
before each verse and sections) in an automated way (maybe using
filters, regex or a specific software)?

I understand that some of you are unwilling to help due to theological
differences, and I respect that.  I just need an explanation on how I
can do it, or a link to some information about it, and I'll try to do
it myself.

Thanks in advance for your help.

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Re: [sword-devel] Help converting text to imp

2011-06-15 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
Angel Candelaria  writes:
> Is there a way I can add the required imp markup (I mean, the $$$
> before each verse and sections) in an automated way

sed -e 's/^\(.\+ [0-9]\+:[0-9]\+\) /\$\$\$\1\n/' < text.vpl > text.imp

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Re: [sword-devel] Help converting text to imp

2011-06-15 Thread Angel Candelaria
For some reason that didn't work, but I got it done using jedit and
regular expressions.  Now, is there a way to put the corresponding
labels after the $$$'s? Maybe using another text file with the names
of the labels in order, then copy them to the corresponding places in
order using a special search 'n replace?

On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Karl Kleinpaste  wrote:
> Angel Candelaria  writes:
>> Is there a way I can add the required imp markup (I mean, the $$$
>> before each verse and sections) in an automated way
>
> sed -e 's/^\(.\+ [0-9]\+:[0-9]\+\) /\$\$\$\1\n/' < text.vpl > text.imp
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Re: [sword-devel] Help converting text to imp

2011-06-15 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
Angel Candelaria  writes:
> For some reason that didn't work

$ cat text.vpl
gen 1:1 in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth.
john 3:16 for god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son...
$ sed -e 's/^\(.\+ [0-9]\+:[0-9]\+\) /\$\$\$\1\n/' < text.vpl > text.imp
$ cat text.imp
$$$gen 1:1
in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth.
$$$john 3:16
for god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son...

> Now, is there a way to put the corresponding labels after the $$$'s? 

Well, the labels at the beginning of the lines of text.vpl are what end
up in the "$$$" keys.

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Re: [sword-devel] Help converting text to imp

2011-06-15 Thread Angel Candelaria
Ok, now I see the problem.

You are assuming my text file has the verse references on it, but the
fact is that it doesn't.  Maybe I didn't explain myself well.  My text
file looks like this:

In the beginning God created the heavens...
And the earth was without form, and void...

and so on; no verse references, chapters or book headings, just the
texts one after the other until the end.  That's why it didn't work

So, in order to be able to use the sed command you gave me, I'll need
to add the references first.  Is there a way I can add the references
in an automated way, so I can later on use sed to format it to imp?

On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Karl Kleinpaste  wrote:
> Angel Candelaria  writes:
>> For some reason that didn't work
>
> $ cat text.vpl
> gen 1:1 in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth.
> john 3:16 for god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son...
> $ sed -e 's/^\(.\+ [0-9]\+:[0-9]\+\) /\$\$\$\1\n/' < text.vpl > text.imp
> $ cat text.imp
> $$$gen 1:1
> in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth.
> $$$john 3:16
> for god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son...
>
>> Now, is there a way to put the corresponding labels after the $$$'s?
>
> Well, the labels at the beginning of the lines of text.vpl are what end
> up in the "$$$" keys.
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Re: [sword-devel] Help converting text to imp

2011-06-15 Thread Peter von Kaehne
You could do following:

1) create a sheet in your favourite spreadsheet.

2) add the output of diatheke with a KJV module into it, so that column 1 has 
teh references, column 2 the text. You do this by importing the diatheke output 
as CSV and choose your delimiting character carefully.

3) You drop the text column.

4) You add your text as a column

5) you run up and down the text to ensure that the text is correctly lined up.

6) You export as a CSV file, choosing a decent delimiter again - e.g. a colon.

7) You rename the csv file into a text file (this is optional)

Then you run a version of  the sed script Karl gave you.

All of the above could be done a lot faster and with less effort via a few 
lines of Perl, but I guess the recommendations above are at the level you are 
comfortable to work at. 

Peter

 

 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:36:57 -0400
> Von: Angel Candelaria 
> An: "SWORD Developers\' Collaboration Forum" 
> Betreff: Re: [sword-devel] Help converting text to imp

> Ok, now I see the problem.
> 
> You are assuming my text file has the verse references on it, but the
> fact is that it doesn't.  Maybe I didn't explain myself well.  My text
> file looks like this:
> 
> In the beginning God created the heavens...
> And the earth was without form, and void...
> 
> and so on; no verse references, chapters or book headings, just the
> texts one after the other until the end.  That's why it didn't work
> 
> So, in order to be able to use the sed command you gave me, I'll need
> to add the references first.  Is there a way I can add the references
> in an automated way, so I can later on use sed to format it to imp?
> 
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Karl Kleinpaste 
> wrote:
> > Angel Candelaria  writes:
> >> For some reason that didn't work
> >
> > $ cat text.vpl
> > gen 1:1 in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth.
> > john 3:16 for god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten
> son...
> > $ sed -e 's/^\(.\+ [0-9]\+:[0-9]\+\) /\$\$\$\1\n/' < text.vpl > text.imp
> > $ cat text.imp
> > $$$gen 1:1
> > in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth.
> > $$$john 3:16
> > for god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son...
> >
> >> Now, is there a way to put the corresponding labels after the $$$'s?
> >
> > Well, the labels at the beginning of the lines of text.vpl are what end
> > up in the "$$$" keys.
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Re: [sword-devel] Help converting text to imp

2011-06-15 Thread Greg Hellings
Python could also easily be used. Not that this would work, but here's
the skeleton code

import fileinput
import Sword

mgr = Sword.SWMgr()
mod = mgr.getModule('KJV')
key = mod.getKey()
for line in fileinput.input():
  print "$$$%s\n%s" % (key.toString(), line)
  key.increment()

I forget the exact method call that converts a key into its string
representation, but it's something like that.  You then would execute
the above script like so:

./convert.py test.vpl

and its output should be in imp format.

--Greg

On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Peter von Kaehne  wrote:
> You could do following:
>
> 1) create a sheet in your favourite spreadsheet.
>
> 2) add the output of diatheke with a KJV module into it, so that column 1 has 
> teh references, column 2 the text. You do this by importing the diatheke 
> output as CSV and choose your delimiting character carefully.
>
> 3) You drop the text column.
>
> 4) You add your text as a column
>
> 5) you run up and down the text to ensure that the text is correctly lined up.
>
> 6) You export as a CSV file, choosing a decent delimiter again - e.g. a colon.
>
> 7) You rename the csv file into a text file (this is optional)
>
> Then you run a version of  the sed script Karl gave you.
>
> All of the above could be done a lot faster and with less effort via a few 
> lines of Perl, but I guess the recommendations above are at the level you are 
> comfortable to work at.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>  Original-Nachricht 
>> Datum: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:36:57 -0400
>> Von: Angel Candelaria 
>> An: "SWORD Developers\' Collaboration Forum" 
>> Betreff: Re: [sword-devel] Help converting text to imp
>
>> Ok, now I see the problem.
>>
>> You are assuming my text file has the verse references on it, but the
>> fact is that it doesn't.  Maybe I didn't explain myself well.  My text
>> file looks like this:
>>
>> In the beginning God created the heavens...
>> And the earth was without form, and void...
>>
>> and so on; no verse references, chapters or book headings, just the
>> texts one after the other until the end.  That's why it didn't work
>>
>> So, in order to be able to use the sed command you gave me, I'll need
>> to add the references first.  Is there a way I can add the references
>> in an automated way, so I can later on use sed to format it to imp?
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Karl Kleinpaste 
>> wrote:
>> > Angel Candelaria  writes:
>> >> For some reason that didn't work
>> >
>> > $ cat text.vpl
>> > gen 1:1 in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth.
>> > john 3:16 for god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten
>> son...
>> > $ sed -e 's/^\(.\+ [0-9]\+:[0-9]\+\) /\$\$\$\1\n/' < text.vpl > text.imp
>> > $ cat text.imp
>> > $$$gen 1:1
>> > in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth.
>> > $$$john 3:16
>> > for god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son...
>> >
>> >> Now, is there a way to put the corresponding labels after the $$$'s?
>> >
>> > Well, the labels at the beginning of the lines of text.vpl are what end
>> > up in the "$$$" keys.
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Re: [sword-devel] Help converting text to imp

2011-06-15 Thread Mike Hart
If you look at the The excel file I sent you on Friday(?) 
(RVR2011-VPL-heading.xlsx) ... 

A shortened example for another Bible version, converted into open office calc 
format is viewable at 

http://www.archive.org/details/ImportFilterWorksheetsForSwordExamples

Open office is MUCH less efficient than Excel when building text via this 
method.  It does work, just somewhat slowly (be prepared to wait minutes per 
step on anything but a vault sized/screaming fast computer using Open office 
for these steps.) 


Collumn H in (VPL...xlsx) can be modified to include the import key.  

Add what I put inside brackets here ["$$$"&] to the first of cell H2 (H3 in the 
example) just after the "=" and before the LOOKUP, then copy/paste that cell 
for all of the rows. collumn (CTRL-c, CTRL-SHIFT-DOWN, CRTL-V). 

Also, To prevent trouble finding an search target to add the newlines between 
the key and the text, add a jedit search target like "<>" between the end of 
the verse number and the start of the verse.  Be sure to pick a target that is 
not characters already appearing in the file. 

Then copy the whole collumn, and paste it into jedit, textifying it. This step 
is the longest Timewise, and I've had jedit burp sometimes taking in that much 
data, especially if your system is low on REAL memory. Once you get this text 
into jedit,  You can then use regexp search replace inside jedit to move the 
verse text to another row. 

I only work in plain text at the moment, but this method should be osis and 
ThML compatible too. (but requiring significant modification to Collumn H to 
make the proper syntax)

More notes on these worksheets: 

Collumn A is the verse number, That text becomes part of the key when present 
or a 0 if nothing is there

Collumn B is the verse text. When collumn A is not empty, this field is the 
text that appears after the key

Collumn C contains Chapter text, When this collumn is not empty, the chapter is 
incremented one, and this text becomes the text that appears after the key

Collumn D is the Book Text.  When this collumn is not empty the bookname is 
changed to the next row in the booklist and this text becomes the text after 
the key. 

Collumns EFG are the math to keep up with the chapter and book numbers (EF), 
and a check against invalid rows, or missing verses (G).  Non blank values here 
should end up being a list of verses that come immediately after any excluded 
verses in the text (won't find excluded verses coinciding with the end of a 
chapter.)

Take your latest text file in row formatting for book/chapter, and make these 
modifications:

Insert 3 tab characters before bookname rows
Insert 2 tab characters before chapter/psalm title rows
Insert 1 tab character between the verse number in your text and the verse data 
(and fix the verse number to be outside brackets, the very first itam on the 
row if you haven't already) 

That is

Genesis
Chapter 1
1 In the beginning

Should look like: 

Genesis
Chapter 1
1   In the Beginning

This tab formatted text then can be pasted in this vpl-sorted excel file to 
update to your text. Or it can be imported by the Open File (all) dialog. 


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Re: [sword-devel] Help converting text to imp

2011-06-15 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
python is too big a weapon for this.

given: a. text.orig containing verse reference-less text.
   b. you're using bash.

$ exec 17 text.vpl

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Re: [sword-devel] Help converting text to imp

2011-06-15 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
Karl Kleinpaste  writes:
> $ mod2imp KJV | grep '^\$' | tr -d '$' | grep : | head -2 | while read key ; 
> do read -u 17 line ; echo '$$$'"$key" "$line" ; done > text.vpl

Oops, remove the "head -2" stage.  That was just from using a 2-line
test text.

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Re: [sword-devel] Help converting text to imp

2011-06-15 Thread Mike Hart
The spreadsheet I just explained can be modified to COUNT the verse numbers 
instead of reading them by inserting another collumn like E and F. 



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Re: [sword-devel] Help converting text to imp

2011-06-15 Thread Greg Hellings
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Karl Kleinpaste  wrote:
> python is too big a weapon for this.

Perhaps for you. Some people don't like to put together pipes of that
size and/or don't grasp Bash well enough to see what is going on in
your pipes.  Just offering another possibility.

--Greg

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Re: [sword-devel] Help converting text to imp

2011-06-15 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
Greg Hellings  writes:
> Perhaps for you. Some people don't like to put together pipes of that size

One uses the weapons with which one is familiar.  Between a one-line
pipeline -vs- constructing a python program including several imports,
knowledge of needed Sword methods (one of which you couldn't remember),
and general formatting issues, I'll take the one-liner.  It requires one
to know only what condition the text is in at the end of each stage.

As you say, just a possibility.

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Re: [sword-devel] bash vs python

2011-06-15 Thread Mike Hart
Whereas I prefer spreadsheets so I can SEE my before and after texts next to 
each other, and I don't generate so many text files that must be maintained. 
'Track changes' works so much nicer than trying to keep up with filenames or 
revisions on the commandline. And (for me) verifying one line looks right 
before applying to the whole document is (in excel) much faster too.

Hit return, verify vs edit the command, run the command (time to apply to all 
30,000 lines), look at the output, edit the command, run the command, look at 
the output, etc.  OOPS?  ctrl z. vs up up or which file is messed up now?

Remembering the exact syntax I used on a command line 2 years later is not hard 
if I have perfect logging skills and did correctly archive the command after I 
verified the output. I did pretty good when the production servers where behind 
two badge controlled security doors, but not so good when I could rsh in from 
my desk (so many more distractions.)  We were controlling bits not characters 
with shell commands and scripts, and the output was mechanical, not visual.. so 
verifying was next to impossible sometimes.  My own work in this manner ever 
resulting in zillion dollar problems, but at least associates of mine doing 
almost exactly similar tasks missed a single bit in a change process that 
resulted in about 2 weeks of factory output going down the drain. simply for 
misplacing a character on a commandline.  I know the tasks here don't have 
dollar values like that, but the stakes are just as high to me. 

With a spreadsheet, what I save is still there (working or not, but the process 
I use leaves me with what worked is saved.) I also find that spreadsheets are 
more stable over time (both MS Office and Open Office support pretty much every 
version of themselves and other languages, more transferrable (still have lotus 
spreadsheets that will open), and easier to package and communicate.)

They all achieve the same output (hopefully). but for me, the more visual the 
better.


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Re: [sword-devel] Help converting text to imp

2011-06-15 Thread Mike Hart
Angel are we stil talking about the RVR2011?

The RVR (parent document), as well as the file sent to me,  has 'scripture' in 
about 60 of the psalm titles that would be missing in the file you are 
describing.  I spent some time redesigning the excel file logic to count the 
chapters instead of extracting the number because of this. Did you move the 
Psalm header information into verse one, or is it going to come back some other 
way?



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[sword-devel] Katana for Maemo ?

2011-06-15 Thread David Haslam
Is the Katana front-end application for Maemo OS still being developed?

If not, should the link be moved to 
http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:No_longer_actively_being_developed

David

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Re: [sword-devel] Katana for Maemo ?

2011-06-15 Thread Teus Benschop
I am not entirely sure whether it is being developed. I am using Katana
for Maemo on a daily basis. Probably less than a year ago there was an
update for it, but there have not been any in more recent times. Teus.

On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 11:07 -0700, David Haslam wrote:
> Is the Katana front-end application for Maemo OS still being developed?



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Re: [sword-devel] pocketsword - maintainer mode

2011-06-15 Thread Johan Marais
I have been using "module maintainer mode" so many times I could probably do
it with eyes closed, wonderful tool for module developers.

Regards,

Johan Marais


-Original Message-
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Sent: 15 June, 2011 11:59 AM
To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum
Subject: Re: [sword-devel] pocketsword - maintainer mode


Thanks Peter,

It's encouraging to hear how people are using PocketSword and especially
when I hear of people using the "module maintainer mode" in the way I
initially envisaged it -- a "module maintainer" (or module creator) manually
installing a module for testing purposes over a Wi-Fi network.  :)
[FYI, I originally had it working over 3G networks, too, but I'm not sure if
that still works!]


Thanks for the encouragement . . .  hopefully I'll make some time in the
next month to finish off the iPad version ;)
ybic
nic...  :)

On 14/06/2011, at 6:23 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote:

> This is just a thank you to Nic:
> 
> Together with a bible translator friend I worked on his translation last
> weekend, to give it the last clean-up in terms of encoding etc. I then
> created a module, which should appear in due course.
> 
> When I tried to figure out how to put it into his iPhone, I stumbled
> over the maintainer mode - this is such a simple and beautiful idea to
> upload a module into a handheld device - I am really impressed!
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Peter
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Re: [sword-devel] Help converting text to imp

2011-06-15 Thread Angel Candelaria
Thanks for the suggestions. I got it done using the paste command
along a text file with the verse references that Ryan sent me.  Then I
just ran the sed command and all worked out perfectly.

I'm not familiar with Python (I'm not really a programmer) but thanks
for the suggestion anyway.

Mike: No , this is not the RVR2011; is another different one I wanted
to convert.  I succesfuly converted the RVR2011 using the files that
you sent.  Thanks.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Mike Hart  wrote:
> Angel are we stil talking about the RVR2011?
>
> The RVR (parent document), as well as the file sent to me,  has 'scripture' 
> in about 60 of the psalm titles that would be missing in the file you are 
> describing.  I spent some time redesigning the excel file logic to count the 
> chapters instead of extracting the number because of this. Did you move the 
> Psalm header information into verse one, or is it going to come back some 
> other way?
>
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Re: [sword-devel] Help converting text to imp

2011-06-15 Thread David Haslam
Paste is a very useful command in this context.

Win32 folks can obtain it by visiting http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/
This includes the equivalent paste.exe

David

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[sword-devel] Sorani, Azeri and Arabic

2011-06-15 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Hi guys,

I have just now submitted three new modules which were a while in the
making.

>From Biblica:

Sorani - the Kurdish language mostly spoken in Iraq
Kitab El Hayat - a new Arabic version


And from Elam Ministries:

South Azeri (Iranian Azeri) whole Bible - this is an update to our
existing NT.

Hope Chris posts them soon

Peter

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Re: [sword-devel] Sorani, Azeri and Arabic

2011-06-15 Thread Chris Little


On Jun 15, 2011, at 15:43, Peter von Kaehne  wrote:

> Hi guys,
> 
> I have just now submitted three new modules which were a while in the
> making.
> 
>> From Biblica:
> 
> Sorani - the Kurdish language mostly spoken in Iraq
> Kitab El Hayat - a new Arabic version
> 
> 
> And from Elam Ministries:
> 
> South Azeri (Iranian Azeri) whole Bible - this is an update to our
> existing NT.
> 
> Hope Chris posts them soon

They should be posted tomorrow (as well as other people's recent submissions). 
I just got back from Germany, and jet lag is going to prevent me from doing 
anything productive today.
--Chris


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