Re: [sword-devel] Strong's Numbers Standards

[Karl Kleinpaste]

On 09/27/2017 08:11 PM, DM Smith wrote:
> The KJV module uses Strong’s numbers of the form G975, that is, a G or
> H followed by an unpadded number. That’s the current standard.

That's simply not the case in current KJV.

$ mod2imp KJV | grep 'strong:H[1-9]'

returns no output.  Every single Hebrew reference pads a '0'.  It's what
makes searches for H1 fail.
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Re: [sword-devel] Strong's Numbers Standards

[Gary Holmlund]

My question is about a frontend, BibleTime. Your suggestion about 
establishing a pattern from an arbitrary key was what I was thinking 
about. I am glad to hear that it is used by JSword. This is the answer I 
needed.


Gary


On 09/27/2017 05:11 PM, DM Smith wrote:
I’m curious whether your question is as a module creator or otherwise. 
Are you creating a Strong’s module or a module having Strong’s numbers?


The KJV module uses Strong’s numbers of the form G975, that is, a G or 
H followed by an unpadded number. That’s the current standard.


There’s a new setting for dictionary modules having keys that 
beginning with numbers: StrongsPadding=true|false
When it is true, it will pad a key beginning with numbers with the 
assumption that it follows the old logic of padded numbers.


The reason for padded numbers is that keys are sorted by a strict 
ascii text collation and the desire is for keys to be in numerical order.


You can use ld2imp to dump a dictionary and examine its keys.

A front end needs to normalize a search request the same as the module 
it is searching against.


I don’t know how SWORD does it but JSword examines an arbitrary key 
from the Strong’s module and establishes a pattern based upon that. It 
allows for keys to start with a G or H and be 0 padded or not. Then it 
normalizes the search request according to that pattern.


Hope this helps a bit,
DM Smith

On Sep 27, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Gary Holmlund > wrote:


I don't see anywhere the document suggest not having the zeros. I do 
see several examples with zeros between the letter and the digits.


H0776
H01961
H08414
H0922

Even if the document had suggested no zeros, we have documents 
(MLStrong, Dodson) that do have these zeros. If I have "G32" how do I 
know to change it to "G0032" to lookup in these documents?


Gary


On 09/27/2017 12:12 AM, Michael H wrote:
STEP suggests that leading zeros do not belong in between the letter 
and the digits.


https://stepweb.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/TYNSTEP/pages/36569098/OSIS+samples#OSISsamples-OSISofaBiblewithstrongnumbers(ESV) 





On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Gary Holmlund > wrote:


I am trying to understand the various forms that Strong's
references can have. Let me explain with an example from
BibleTime when we hover over a word and automatically display
the Strong's reference text.

In the new testament (KJV and ESV2011) the Strong's reference
for "angel" is  "G32". In BibleTime the "G" is removed leaving
"32" as the reference to lookup. This works for StrongsGreek,
StringsRealGreek, and AbbottSmithStrongs. It does not work for
MLStrong and Dodson.

In the books StrongsGreek, StringsRealGreek, and
AbbottSmithStrongs the reference is "00032". In MLStrong and
Dodson the reference is "G0032". So, I find that "32" will work
as a key when the book reference is "00032",  but "32" or "G32"
won't work if the book reference is "G0032"

If I knew that Strong's references were either "G" or
"n" I could pad zeros in the right place when a shorter
Strong's reference needs to be looked up. Or is there some other
method we can use?

PS. I am told that Xiphos has the same problem.

Gary Holmlund



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