Re: [sword-devel] Wiki writers - attention

[Chris Umphress]

The link still returns a 500 error:

https://crosswire.org/wiki/Special:RequestAccount 
<https://crosswire.org/wiki/Special:RequestAccount>

Chris Umphress


> On Jan 10, 2018, at 3:28 PM, Peter von Kaehne  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 2018-01-08 at 10:16 +0200, Jaak Ristioja wrote:
> 
>> When will the wiki registration be open again?
> 
> The link to ask for an account is up again on the frontpage
> 
> Peter
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Re: [sword-devel] Wiki writers - attention

[Chris Umphress]

If it helps, here is some verbose output from curl:

# curl -v https://crosswire.org/wiki/Special:RequestAccount
* About to connect() to crosswire.org port 443 (#0)
*   Trying 209.250.6.230...
* Connected to crosswire.org (209.250.6.230) port 443 (#0)
* Initializing NSS with certpath: sql:/etc/pki/nssdb
*   CAfile: /etc/pki/tls/certs/ca-bundle.crt
  CApath: none
* SSL connection using TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384
* Server certificate:
*   subject: CN=crosswire.org
*   start date: Oct 17 02:54:56 2017 GMT
*   expire date: Jan 15 02:54:56 2018 GMT
*   common name: crosswire.org
*   issuer: CN=Let's Encrypt Authority X3,O=Let's Encrypt,C=US
> GET /wiki/Special:RequestAccount HTTP/1.1
> User-Agent: curl/7.29.0
> Host: crosswire.org
> Accept: */*
> 
* HTTP 1.0, assume close after body
< HTTP/1.0 500 Internal Server Error
< Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 18:53:54 GMT
< Server: Apache/2.2.15 (CentOS)
< X-Powered-By: PHP/5.3.3
< X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff
< Content-Length: 0
< Connection: close
< Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
< 
* Closing connection 0

Let me know if I can provide anything else,

Chris Umphress


> On Jan 10, 2018, at 5:51 PM, Peter Von Kaehne  wrote:
> 
> Ok, Sorry I do not see this. Not sure what to do.
>  
> Peter
>  
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2018 um 17:38 Uhr
> Von: "Chris Umphress" 
> An: "SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum" 
> Betreff: Re: [sword-devel] Wiki writers - attention
> The link still returns a 500 error:
>  
> https://crosswire.org/wiki/Special:RequestAccount 
> <https://crosswire.org/wiki/Special:RequestAccount>
>  
> Chris Umphress
>  
>  
> On Jan 10, 2018, at 3:28 PM, Peter von Kaehne  <mailto:ref...@gmx.net>> wrote:
>  
> On Mon, 2018-01-08 at 10:16 +0200, Jaak Ristioja wrote:
>  
> When will the wiki registration be open again?
> 
> The link to ask for an account is up again on the frontpage
> 
> Peter
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Re: [sword-devel] Wiki writers - attention

[Chris Umphress]

Thanks, the account works. I was asked to change the password after logging in.

Chris Umphress


> On Jan 10, 2018, at 7:11 PM, Peter Von Kaehne  wrote:
> 
> I have created accounts for both of you, Chris and Jaak
>  
> Both of you should please check your email and confirm this has worked. It is 
> the first time I have done this and I have no clue I did it right.
>  
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Re: [sword-devel] Wiki writers - attention

[Chris Umphress]

Certainly. Edit seems to work but I cannot create a new page:

https://crosswire.org/wiki/Twitter <https://crosswire.org/wiki/Twitter>


> On Jan 10, 2018, at 7:53 PM, Peter Von Kaehne  wrote:
> 
> Can you try if you can edit, please?
>  
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2018 um 19:18 Uhr
> Von: "Chris Umphress" 
> An: "SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum" 
> Betreff: Re: [sword-devel] Wiki writers - attention
> Thanks, the account works. I was asked to change the password after logging 
> in.
>  
> Chris Umphress
>  
>  
> On Jan 10, 2018, at 7:11 PM, Peter Von Kaehne  <mailto:ref...@gmx.net>> wrote:
>  
> I have created accounts for both of you, Chris and Jaak
>  
> Both of you should please check your email and confirm this has worked. It is 
> the first time I have done this and I have no clue I did it right.
>  
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Re: [sword-devel] Bishop for Android and iOS / JavaScript bindings

[Chris Umphress]

Hey Troy,

I have a Galaxy S8 and finally installed Bishop now that it is on the Play
Store. On launch, the app shows a grey screen and then crashes. I sent
feedback with the logs, but let me know if I can help in any way to debug
this.

Chris Umphress

On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 5:05 AM, Troy A. Griffitts 
wrote:

> I've had 2 instances of problems running the app.  One was a report from a
> user here, and another was trying to install the app on my TV.  In both
> cases, the app showed a blank gray screen after install and and startup.
>
> I have had debug versions on all my devices here at some point, so I'm not
> a very good clean test case.  Has anyone had any luck installing and
> getting the basic set of modules running? Or any problems?  Thanks for any
> feedback.
>
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.crosswire.bishop
>
> Troy
>
> On 03/02/2018 01:31 PM, David Haslam wrote:
>
> *Suggestion:*
> Please edit https://wiki.crosswire.org/Frontends:Bishop
> and add these details.
>
> Best regards,
>
> David
>
> Sent with ProtonMail <https://protonmail.com> Secure Email.
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> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On 1 March 2018 2:26 AM, Troy A. Griffitts 
>  wrote:
>
> Dear team,
>
> You all know we've been working on Cordova bindings for SWORD for quite
> some time now.  We now have a simple reader written in JavaScript which
> will run unchanged on both Android and iOS.Bishop includes an InstallMgr to
> auto-discover remote installation sources and let a user install SWORD
> content.
>
> I've kept the development code name "Bishop", my favorite android (from
> Aliens) and almost appropriate for a Bible app :)  I've also tacked on our
> boring moniker from our Windows app, "Bishop: The SWORD Project for
> Android".  Long name but should get more search hits.
> Basically, Bishop's UI has 2 basic modes:
>
> *Reader*: which simply shows 1 chapter of up to 3 Bibles in parallel.
> *Verse* *Study*: When in reader mode, as the user scrolls, one verse will
> always be active, when "Verse Study" is chosen from the menu, the user can
> then drill down into that active verse.  Verse Study has 4 tools:
>
> *Word* *Study*: shows the verse broken down word by word, showing the
> original Greek or Hebrew behind each word, along with a simple definition.
> * Commentary*: shows all installed commentary for that verse.
> *Witness* *Study*: shows all available ancient New Testament manuscript
> witnesses which attest to the current verse.
> *Variant* *Study*: shows all variant between the manuscript witnesses for
> the current verse.
>
> Other features include very basic bookmarks and search.  The Android
> release has an initial attempt at BibleSync support to send your current
> verse out to all your friends running Bishop on the same network (thanks
> Karl!).
>
> The initial goal of Bishop was to be the thinnest client on top of the
> bindings, as an example and thus uses no 3rd party libraries, save jQuery.
> Now that the initial release is completed and can serve as an example,
> we're free to improve the mobile user interface if anyone feels called to
> join the team and give it a shot.
>
> Installation locations follow.  It's best to let Bishop install its basic
> set of SWORD modules upon first run, so it has a minimal set of tools it
> can use to operate.  It will prompt you to do this when you first launch
> the application and it finds no modules installed.
>
> Android users can install the app from:
>
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.crosswire.bishop
>
> iPhone users will need to send me their UDID for testing while we try to
> get through the Apple Store approval process.  I haven't even tried yet as
> I don't have much hope that it is "pretty" enough for them, but the
> download link for the iPhone binary is here:
>
> https://crosswire.org/bishop/manifest.plist
>
> https://crosswire.org/bishop.ipa
>
> The code can be had from:
>
> http://git.crosswire.org/main/bishop
>
> Please let us know what you think if you are a user, and offer your
> suggestions from a usability perspective.
>
> If you are a developer, please offer comments and suggest features you
> have a desire and are willing to add.
>
> Please give us a great rating so we show up in a search in the Play Store
> and let others know.  I think we have some unique feature that other app
> don't offer and I've been using Bishop as my morning reader for a while
> now.  The default fullscreen text without clutter is pleasant.
>
> Christ's best for you!
>
> Troy
>
>
>
>
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Re: [sword-devel] Bishop for Android and iOS 1.0.4

[Chris Umphress]

Hey Troy,

I had the same experience as Gary. None of the installed modules (from 
AndBible) were automatically selected, but they are available. The grey section 
at the top of the sidebar said “Undefined” until I started to navigate inside 
of the modules.

The interface could use a handful of tweaks for word placement on buttons and 
such, but everything seems to be working. I love the Witness Study feature.

Thanks for your work on this,

Chris Umphress

> On Mar 12, 2018, at 04:05, Gary Holmlund  wrote:
> 
> Troy,
> 
> I just tried version 1.05 and it started up with no text. I selected 1, 2, 
> and 3 bibles and all was working.
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> On 03/11/2018 07:05 PM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
>> New Bishop is available.
>> 
>> I believe I've added the Apple UDIDs for everyone who sent them.  I
>> haven't looked into TestFlight yet, but thank you for the suggestion.
>> 
>> Michael, I believe I've added a "No data to display." message when none
>> of the 3 active modules selected have data for the verse chosen.
>> 
>> Gary, thanks again for the log.  After installing ABSMaps and running
>> Bishop for the first time, I see that this module is incorrectly chosen
>> as a default Bible (it was alphabetically first and my iteration to find
>> the first Bible wasn't exactly correctly).  Please try again and let me
>> know if things work for you now.  Since it has been set as your default
>> Bible now, it will probably still not choose a Bible, but you can select
>> your 3 active Bibles from the menu.  If you uninstall and reinstall,
>> Bishop should now correctly skip over ABSMaps when setting a default
>> Bible on first run.
>> 
>> Chris, thank you for the logs with the crash report.  I believe this bug
>> is fixed for you now too.
>> 
>> Besides bug fixes, this version includes native image viewing support
>> for manuscript folios.
>> 
>> Let me know if you have a chance to try 1.0.4 and your experiences.
>> 
>> Thanks for all the great feedback and 5-star ratings!
>> 
>> Troy
>> 
>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.crosswire.bishop
>> 
>> https://crosswire.org/bishop/manifest.plist
>> 
>> https://crosswire.org/bishop.ipa
>> 
>> https://crosswire.org/bishop.apk
>> 
>> http://git.crosswire.org/main/bishop
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 03/05/2018 03:15 AM, David Haslam wrote:
>>> In response to Manfred.
>>> 
>>> TestFlight is part of Apple's infrastructure for testing beta versions of 
>>> iOS apps before release.
>>> 
>>> I've used it in the past to install PocketSword when Nic Carter has been 
>>> working on a beta version.
>>> 
>>> AFAIK, it still downloads from Apple, rather than direct from the 
>>> developer. Correct me if I'm wrong.
>>> 
>>> NB. All new/updated iOS apps must support 64-bit and iOS 11 to be accepted 
>>> by Apple.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ​Best regards,
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 
>>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.​
>>> 
>>> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>>> 
>>> On 4 March 2018 4:14 PM, Manfred Bergmann  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> TestFlight not an option to make it installable for testers?
>>>> 
>>>> Manfred
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 04.03.2018 um 16:36 schrieb DM Smith dmsm...@crosswire.org:
>>>>> 
>>>>> David,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’ve installed it on my iPhone 6. Will do my iPad 2 later today.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don’t think the iOS app store supports 32-bit only any more, but they 
>>>>> might allow dual 32/64. I have an old iPhone 5 on which I can test. I 
>>>>> don’t have a 32-bit iPad like yours.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It’s not something you’ll be willing to do. I’m describing the process 
>>>>> that I went through in case others are interested.
>>>>> 
>>>>> To install it, you need to be running MacOS. This is possible to do in a 
>>>>> VM on Windows or Linux. I think that’s what Troy does. I have a Mac, so 
>>>>> it isn’t a difficulty for me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Within MacOS you have to install XCode from the Mac App Store and in 
>>>>> XCode open Window->Devices and Simulators with your iOS device attached 
>>>>> to your “Mac". Make the window wide enough to see the entire device 
>>>>> “Identifier”. Right clic

[sword-devel] Website Misconfiguration

[Chris Umphress]

Hello,

Does anyone else receive an “Internal Server Error” when they visit this 
URL?:


https://crosswire.org/sword

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Re: [sword-devel] Website Misconfiguration

[Chris Umphress]

Thanks David,

Accessing the page without https, redirects me to https. This appears to 
work:


http://www2.crosswire.org/sword/index.jsp

When I visit crosswire.org, the site defaults to https for me. This 
means that the link to “The Sword Project” at the top of the page turns 
into:


https://crosswire.org/sword

I am having the same issue accessing the “SWORD library” link from the 
right sidebar on the homepage:


https://crosswire.org/sword/modules

Chris Umphress

-- Original Message --
From: "David Haslam" 
To: "SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum" 
Sent: 1/7/2020 10:48:33 PM
Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Website Misconfiguration


This URL works (without the S)
http://crosswire.org/sword

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On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 21:39, Chris Umphress  
wrote:

Hello,

Does anyone else receive an “Internal Server Error” when they visit 
this URL?:


https://crosswire.org/sword

Chris Umphress


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Re: [sword-devel] SSL mystery @ crosswire.org

[Chris Umphress]

If you pull the SSL certificate for an IP address, the server typically
sends you the default, configured certificate.

I am curious about why Android 5 would request the certificate by IP
address only. Does it not support the Server Name Indication?:

http://javabreaks.blogspot.com/2015/12/java-ssl-handshake-with-server-name.html

Chris Umphress


On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:19:25 +0300
Tuomas Airaksinen  wrote:

> When I type
> 
> host crosswire.org it gives me ip 209.250.6.226.
> 
> When I fetch ssl cert for that ip (openssl s_client -connect
> 209.250.6.226:443), it gives cert with CN www.ancc-gan.de.
> 
> This confuses And Bible on Android 5 (lollipop), as host name checking will
> fail to
> 
>  javax.net.ssl.SSLPeerUnverifiedException: Certificate for 
> doesn't match any of the subject alternative names: [www.ancc-gan.de]
> 
> In more recent Android versions it works properly.
> 
> Now for Android 5 I have made exception such that host name verification is
> bypassed, but that's not neat nor secure.
> 
> -- 
> T: Tuomas
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[sword-devel] KJV module

[Chris Umphress]

Hey,

I know I've been quiet for a year or two now, but came across a small
mistake in the KJV module. Strong's number for "elect" on 1 Peter 1:2
is actually tagged onto the end of 1 Peter 1:1.

Chris U

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Re: [sword-devel] Xiphos 3.0.0 released

[Chris Umphress]

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Barry Drake  wrote:
> Example:  I'm looking at the beginning of John's gospel.  It obviously has
> some similarity to Genesis 1.  I want to look at Gen. 1:1 and John 1:1 at
> the same time.  Then I want to look at various bible versions for each.
>  Xiphos lets me do that with the detached window for one version.
>
> Next:  I'm looking at a particular passage.  I want the complete chapter on
> screen in more than one version.  Again, this works fine with Xiphos using
> detached windows.
>
> Third: I use the Revised Common Lectionary most weeks at church.  I can have
> all four readings for the day on screen at the same time.  This really is a
> big help when thinking about them prior to the worship 
>
> And so on   I really appreciate the flexibility to do all of those
> things.  I wonder why others don't have similar requirements.

I've wanted to look at two or three "translations" (ie. English next
to Greek) before, but have used Bibletime for that. It's nice to hear
that Gnomesword does support this and I will have to read through the
./configure options better before the next recompile.

So far I like what I see. It is more stable on Linux and the ability
to see which modules have been updated is not one that I had seen
before.

Thanks for all the work that went into this!

Chris U

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Re: [sword-devel] problems compiling sword

[Chris Umphress]

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:57:28 -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> first off, it tells me that:
> ../src/mgr/installmgr.cpp: In member function `char
>sword::InstallMgr::FTPURLGetFile(void*, const char*, const char*)':
> ../src/mgr/installmgr.cpp:158: warning: converting of negative value `-1' to `
>char'

Warnings shouldn't stop the compile process. Are there any error
messages as well?

> 
> so i go into the installmgr.cpp file and i realize that on line 132, it has
> retVal declared as a char, but later on, it seems like it is used as a
> if/then value, and should be an int. so i changed the line from:
> char retVal = 0;
> to:
>  int retVal = 0;

in C++, you can assign integer values to a char. For instance, if you
wanted to make "char retVal" equal a space, you could set it with

retVal = 32; //or
retVal = ' ';

I'm not sure why this would stop a compile, though.

> 
> now it compiles. However, i run into another problem later on. it says:
> 
>  ../src/modules/common/rawstr.cpp -o rawstr.o
> ../src/modules/common/rawstr.cpp: In member function `void
>sword::RawStr::doSetText(const char*, const char*, long int)':
> ../src/modules/common/rawstr.cpp:419: warning: comparison is always true due
> to
>limited range of data type
> 
> so i go to line 419, and this is what the comparison is:
> else if (strcmp(key, dbKey) > 0) {
> if (errorStatus != -2)  // not a new file
> idxoff += 6;
> else idxoff = 0;
> }
> 

Interesting warning message. It looks good to me off the top of my
head. strcmp() should be able to return possitive, 0, or negative. Are
there any error messages around this, or is it only the warning?

> 
> gavin
> 
> prov. 4.23

God bless,
Chris

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Re: [sword-devel] french darby

[Chris Umphress]

> When I run osis2mod on the osis file I obtained from CCEL, I have the four
> files that are produced. Problem: the nt file is rediculously large, the the
> range of hundreds of megabytes, but doesn't contain any text. It simply
> contains OSIS format, verse delimiters mostly. The ot file, on the other hand
> is empty.

I had the same result when I tried to convert of the French Darby
translation using osis2mod. The "nt" file was over 700 megabytes in
size (from a 5 MB source file). I'll take a look at the code for
osis2mod tonight.

Chris / Daga

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Re: [sword-devel] french darby

[Chris Umphress]

> > When I run osis2mod on the osis file I obtained from CCEL, I have the four
> > files that are produced. Problem: the nt file is rediculously large, the the
> > range of hundreds of megabytes, but doesn't contain any text. It simply
> > contains OSIS format, verse delimiters mostly. The ot file, on the other hand
> > is empty.
> 
> I had the same result when I tried to convert of the French Darby
> translation using osis2mod. The "nt" file was over 700 megabytes in
> size (from a 5 MB source file). I'll take a look at the code for
> osis2mod tonight.

The file frdarb.osis does not appear to follow the OSIS standards. I
am still surprised that osis2mod creates a 700MB output file, but I
believe this may be caused by the formatting of frdarb.osis.
A couple example verses from frdarb.osis (supposed to be Genesis 1:9-10):


9¶ Et Dieu dit: Que les eaux qui sont au-dessous des cieux se
rassemblent en un lieu, et que le sec paraisse. Et il fut ainsi.

10Et Dieu appela le sec Terre, et le rassemblement des eaux, il l'appela Mers.

If it were written this way, the file would be parsed correctly using osis2mod:


9 ¶ Et Dieu dit: Que les eaux qui sont au-dessous des cieux se
rassemblent en un lieu, et que le sec paraisse. Et il fut ainsi.


10 Et Dieu appela le sec Terre, et le rassemblement des eaux, il l'appela Mers.


You probably don't want to use this .osis file to generate a module
for Sword. At least not without some modifications first. I'd be happy
to assist you as I get the time.

Chris / Daga

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[sword-devel] compiling GnomeSword

[Chris Umphress]

When I try to compile gnomesword (2.0.0), I get the following error:

bibletext_dialog.c: In function `create_nav_toolbar':
bibletext_dialog.c:917: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer
without a cast
bibletext_dialog.c:928: error: invalid type argument of `->'

I get this whether I'm using gal-2.0 or gal-2.2. Any ideas?

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Re: [sword-devel] compiling GnomeSword

[Chris Umphress]

> > When I try to compile gnomesword (2.0.0), I get the following error:
> >
> > bibletext_dialog.c: In function `create_nav_toolbar':
> > bibletext_dialog.c:917: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer
> > without a cast
> > bibletext_dialog.c:928: error: invalid type argument of `->'
> >
> > I get this whether I'm using gal-2.0 or gal-2.2. Any ideas?
> 
> It would be nice if you informed us a bit more about which distribution
> you are using and other relevant details like that.

I'm running Slackware 10 + Dropline Gnome (Gnome desktop), and I was
talking to someone else who was having the same problem while running
archlinux and blackbox (w/ the Gnome libraries installed). For the
most part, I've tried symlinks and/or updating configure.in. Neither
have been successful.

Relative version numbers on my system:

Slackware 10 + Dropline
Gnome 2.8
pkgconfig-0.15.0
gtkhtml (3.2.2 initially, installed 3.5 in attempt to work with newer
gal2 version)
gal (2.2 initally, 2.0 added for install)
gnome-print-0.36

Thanks,
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Re: [sword-devel] Converting files

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> I need a easy way to convert a zefania-file ( an xml- based format) to
> osis. May be it would be a good idea to start a project for a tool.
> Unfortunatly I have a lot to do and don't have the time to start
> something this year. But I hope that I can start something in Q3/2005.

There was a discussion about this back in April. You can read it at:

http://www.crosswire.org/forums/mvnforum/viewthread?thread=105&lastpage=yes

The Sword team has decided not to persue this. If you want a module
that is available to the Zefania project, I could help you write a
fairly quick PERL script to do the conversion. I've taken a peek at
the Zefania files, and I don't think it's worth the time to write a
C/C++ app to do this.

Chris

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Re: [sword-devel] Re: New PorAA text

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> Yet another, 'Ó' was represented by 'ç'.  Uploading
> http://dutra.fastmail.fm./pt-BR_JFA_Rev2.(osis|ubnd).bz2, which should
> replace PorAA

Most of the modules were imported from various sources. Unfortunately,
as talented as the Sword volunteers are, there isn't neccessarily
someone who uses/understands each of the texts available. I like to
have a copy of most of these modules, but only understand a couple
languages.

> I am trying to dig up my contacts to get in touch with the
> Imprensa Bíblica Brasileira, but lack of any responses is discouraging
> me.  Could it be that no one cares about PorAA?  After all I made some
> important corrections months ago and they were never used, and the
> existence of such basic errors yet suggest no one really uses it but
> me...

It will be interesting to hear the outcome of this -- whether the
module comes from a copyrighted text or not / if we can distribute the
work. Don't get discouraged. :)

Chris / Daga

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Re: [sword-devel] Re: Christian Debian distro talk / Report

[Chris Umphress]

> <<  Agreed that these editing and development tools should be included.
>  Except for
> something like emacs, which takes up a huge amount of space>>
> 
> Yikes - it's only disk space!  Not to appear biased, but there is only
> one editor and Emacs is its name.

Looks like including Vim AND Emacs is essential :)

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Re: [sword-devel] bible for cell phones

[Chris Umphress]

> i had another idea (after the thing about the
> formatting/printing a bible for desktop/inkjet printer
> -- style printing press for closed countries).. how
> about a bible on cell phone?

I've looked into it for my own cell phone, but stopped when I realized
that my cell phone only had 1 MB of memory. The KJV module, compressed
and without a reader, is over 3 MB. It is something that I would like
to see happen, but I'm too cheap to upgrade my phone so that I could
do it :P

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Re: [sword-devel] Please remove me from forum

[Chris Umphress]

On 10/25/05, Ryan Brant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Please remove my email address from the Collaboration Forum. Thank You

You can unsubscribe yourself. From the header of every e-mail:

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Re: [sword-devel] how to get strongs numbers from KJV2003 module?

[Chris Umphress]

> Also, I am unzipping KJV.zip into its own directory "foo".  Then I "cd
> foo" and run "mod2osis KJV".  Is it possible mod2osis is looking at some
> system wide installed KJV instead of the one in the current directory?

You need to install it over the original KJV module before mod2osis
will see it correctly
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Re: [sword-devel] Beta Area?

[Chris Umphress]

> Sorry for the trivial question (this is probably listed somewhere, but I
> couldn't find it), could someone give me the address of the "beta area"
> where are the new modules to be tested?

Yep, sure can!

ftp://ftp.crosswire.org/pub/sword/betapackages/

Enjoy, and thanks for helping to test the modules.

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Re: [sword-devel] Re: sword-devel Digest, Vol 19, Issue 30

[Chris Umphress]

On 10/31/05, Yiguang Hu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> About the encoding/book names. I am just wondering why
> the standard java resource bundle is not used ?
> For encoding, UTF-8 should be able to cover all the
> languages. I knew it covers MBCS like Japanese,
> Chinese and Korean (Usually KJC for short) well. It
> should not be a issue with any of the western
> characters, most of them just single byte chars.

Perhaps not everyone uses Java ;-)

C/C++ still requires significantly fewer resources, and is more widely
used from what I have seen. Java is more portable, and is a big hit in
colleges right now, but also requires more resources and a slightly
faster processor to achieve the same speed.

On the other hand, you are right -- UTF-8 is the way to go :-)

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Re: [sword-devel] Re: sword-devel Digest, Vol 19, Issue 30

[Chris Umphress]

On 11/1/05, DM Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>  Perhaps not everyone uses Java ;-)
>
>  So true. However, Java's resource bundle can be thought of as a design
> pattern. Its basic design is worthy of consideration for any language. C++
> does not support internationalization or localization. It is an afterthought
> at best. However, this is part of the design of Java from the start. I have
> implemented most of this design in Perl.
>
>  The only advantage that I see in implementing ResourceBundles for C++ is
> that the same files can be used by both Java and C++. I bet that there is
> C++ code out there that can use Java ResourceBundles.

Understood, all of the string functions are designed for ASCII, rather
than UTF-8. VS 6 and earlier were the same way. It was a fairly
universal problem. .NET (and Windows 2k+) handle it a lot better.

>>  C/C++ still requires significantly fewer resources, and is more widely
>> used from what I have seen. Java is more portable, and is a big hit in
>> colleges right now, but also requires more resources and a slightly
>> faster processor to achieve the same speed.
>
>  I beg to differ on the speed issue. At my previous company, we took a C
> program that was taking 4 hours to run and re-wrote it in Java. The end
> result was that it took 1 hour to run on the same hardware. We then moved it
> from a Sun 4-way multi-processor with gobs of memory to a single cpu desktop
> and the time dropped to 1/2 hour.
>
>  I rewrote a C++ program into Perl and went from 24+ hours worst case to 1
> hour worst case and from 2 hours normal case to 1/2 hour normal case. The
> memory footprint was 1/10 in Perl. Again, on the same hardware.
>
>  In both cases the difference was that the programs were re-written to take
> advantage of the language's architecture and strengths. And of course, the
> pitfalls of the earlier designs were avoided.
>
>  IMHO, it is usually dumb to port from one language to another. It is better
> to re-write to a better design.

haha, that's what I was thinking. Somebody messed up big when writing
those programs in C/C++. I love scripting in Perl, but it always has
the overhead of having the interpreter. They do a good job of
minimizing that, but it is still there. Java is similar in the respect
of having a little bit of an overhead also.

Programs written in Java have left a bad taste in my mouth. Several
programs I have tried out require the better part of 50 MB of memory
just to run, which was a bit excessive for the tasks (IMO). On the
other hand, I know that programs written for my phone were
well-optimized. I'm not saying that Java don't have its purposes, but
I wouldn't use it for everything.

Now I hope you understand my comment a little more :-)

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[sword-devel] Developer's Quick Start

[Chris Umphress]

The page at http://www.crosswire.org/sword/develop/ needs updating.
The "Report Bugs" link is definately no longer accurate (and I can't
seem to find the bug-reporting page :-).

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Re: [sword-devel] Re: sword-devel Digest, Vol 19, Issue 30

[Chris Umphress]

On 11/1/05, David Blue (Mailing List Addy) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >From the design point of view of a language, i18n should be an after thought
> unless you have built in strings (and even in java they're a class) with the
> exception of making sure your character types are able to hold Unicode bytes
> instead of just ASCII. Also I can think of at least two good tool
> kits/libraries for doing localization and internationalization of programs.
> gettext which lots of gtk (straight C) based programs use, and qt's (C++)
> built in internationalization stuff. So there *is* support, it's not not
> necessarily wide spread because I'm not sure how windows handles it. But in
> terms of i18n or being able to internationalize or localize a program that
> should be up to the programmer on how to do it, not the language since
> different programs have different needs.

I agree.

Windows 2k/3 and XP have better support for UTF-8 built into the
operating system than their predecessors, but it almost requires a
.NET compiler to take advantage of the UTF-8 capabilities of Windows
(sorry guys, UTF-8 classes aren't Java-specific). GTK and QT both have
ports to the Windows platform that can be used -- there are lots of
options, but many people only have one language for their interfaces
(and yes, I am guilty of this too).

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Re: [sword-devel] Developer's Quick Start

[Chris Umphress]

On 11/2/05, Greg Marine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Everyone agrees it should be on the dev info page. However, I'm sure
> Crosswire is constrained on time right now. We need to pray for them
> all, asking for God to bless them, for their work can bring fatigue.
> Like most, if not all, of us, they too have responsibilities outside
> The Sword Project.

Yep. I was initially looking for that bug link so that I could give it
to someone who had send a couple bugs to this mailing list. It was
just something I noticed, and thought should be updated as time
allows.

> With that being said: Troy, would it be possible for volunteers to
> make much needed changes to the Web site? Since it seems to be in JSP,
> I don't suppose there would be an easy way for some of us to work on
> things like the developer's info page?

I know I'm not Troy, but... Wiki's are nice. Setting one up or writing
one for the server is a fair bit of work, but maybe it's an option
further down the road?

> ***Disclaimer***
> This response is more of a reaction than a response. It was my feeling
> folks are getting impatient with the Web site and/or other aspects of
> the project. From this point on, this reaction is going to be turned
> into proaction. Should you feel the statements above have no grounds,
> please excuse my "outburst." I feel as though there are grounds for
> such statements, however. Some have critisized how long it takes to
> get updated modules out, the time to get enhancements pushed into new
> version of the software and comments about the dated Web site. We need
> to be a part of the solution instead of complaining about the
> problem...
> ***End Disclaimer***

Can I use that? :-P

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Yet another unsubscribe request (was: [sword-devel] Developer's Quick Start)

[Chris Umphress]

On 11/5/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I would like to stop receiving this mailing list, ,
> at
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> we ask me for a password but I forget it
> please could you make for me update on my profile.

There is also a password reminder prompt at the bottom of the page.

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Re: [sword-devel] common library for windows and linux

[Chris Umphress]

On 11/23/05, Сергей Кузнецов <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi!
> I installed Sword for Windows, latest one, and I want to use the same 
> library, as I use
> on Linux. The sword library currently on Windows disk D, and linux sword 
> programs
> have access to it. But I didn't find, how to teach Sword for Windows to use 
> that
> library. It wants only to "download" it from the library, which is on D to 
> the program's
> folder, which is on C:\Program Files\Sword...

Assuming you have a linux-type partition (such as ReiserFS, ext2/3, or
similar) for the linux install, you could create a mount-point for the
Windows partition and create a symbolic link from /usr/share/sword to
wherever you mount the C drive.

Example:
ln -s /mnt/windows/Program\ Files/Crosswire/blah /usr/share/sword

You'll probably have to tweak it a little, but that's the direction I
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Re: [sword-devel] GPL

[Chris Umphress]

On 1/17/06, DM Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> FYI,
> I just read that a draft of GPL 3.0 has been released. The target date
> for the final is March 2007. The significant differences appear to be
> changing the language to make it less American legalese, to add
> provisions that GPL software cannot be used for DRM and to add
> provisions regarding protection against patents.

If, for some reason, you haven't seen it already, here are a couple
links to the text for the draft. The first is the text of the draft of
the GPL v3, and the second is a word-diff of the texts from version
2.0 and 3.0.

http://gplv3.fsf.org/draft
http://kohl.wikimedia.org/~avar/gpl3/wdiff.html

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Re: [sword-devel] Comparing Verses

[Chris Umphress]

On 1/17/06, DM Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When Chris Umphress included the link
>
> http://kohl.wikimedia.org/~avar/gpl3/wdiff.html
>
> regarding the differences between GPL v2 and v3 (proposed) it got me thinking:
>
> "Is there any open source software that can be used to create a visually 
> pleasant markup of the comparison of two verses?"
>
> Does anyone know of any?
>
> I don't care what language it is written in as it is the algorithm that is 
> important.

I found that link in a comment posted on Slashdot. Previously, I had
not heard of (or gone looking for) a tool to generate differences on a
word-by-word read-through. I believe this was the tool used:

http://wdiff.progiciels-bpi.ca/showfile.html?mode=archives

I haven't been able to compile it yet, but the source should have the algorithm.

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Re: [sword-devel] Comparing Verses

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On 1/17/06, Chris Umphress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 1/17/06, DM Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Is there any open source software that can be used to create a visually 
> > pleasant markup of the comparison of two verses?"

> http://wdiff.progiciels-bpi.ca/showfile.html?mode=archives
>
> I haven't been able to compile it yet, but the source should have the 
> algorithm.

I'd like to take that back. I just had to comment out a couple
functions (the functions that it complains about during make --
'getline' and another one) and it works. Seems like its' algorithm
should work for a verse comparison:

$ diatheke -b KJV -k John3:16 >1; diatheke -b YLT -k John3:16 >2;./src/wdiff 1 2
John 3:16: [-For-] {+for+} God {+did+} so [-loved-] {+love+} the
world, that [-he gave his-] {+His Son--the+} only [-begotten Son,-]
{+begotten--He gave,+} that [-whosoever believeth-] {+every one who is
believing+} in him [-should-] {+may+} not perish, but {+may+} have
[-everlasting life.
(KJV)-] {+life age-during.
(YLT)+}

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Re: [sword-devel] Comparing Verses

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On 1/17/06, DM Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > $ diatheke -b KJV -k John3:16 >1; diatheke -b YLT -k John3:16 
> > >2;./src/wdiff 1 2
> > John 3:16: [-For-] {+for+} God {+did+} so [-loved-] {+love+} the
> > world, that [-he gave his-] {+His Son--the+} only [-begotten Son,-]
> > {+begotten--He gave,+} that [-whosoever believeth-] {+every one who is
> > believing+} in him [-should-] {+may+} not perish, but {+may+} have
> > [-everlasting life.
> > (KJV)-] {+life age-during.
> > (YLT)+}
> >
> This should be easy to change, substituting, for example,
>   for [-
>  for -]
>  for {+
>  for +}
> to produce a fragment of html.

My thoughts exactly. I had thought about trying to get a test page up
on my server tonight or tommorrow. It would be neat to see such
features in Bibletime/GnomeSword/MacSword. It would be a little work,
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Re: [sword-devel] Comparing Verses

[Chris Umphress]

On 1/17/06, DM Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This should be easy to change, substituting, for example,
>   for [-
>  for -]
>  for {+
>  for +}
> to produce a fragment of html.

Nothing too fancy, but here's a sample page:

http://daga.dyndns.org/god/bible/wdiff.php

You're also welcome to take a look at the PHP source, but be warned
that it is a little ugly:

http://daga.dyndns.org/god/bible/wdiff.phps

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[sword-devel] SME module (C.H. Spurgeon's Morning and Evening devotional)

[Chris Umphress]

There are two entries for Sept. 30th (entry: 09.30), and neither has
any data in them. Do I need to fill out a bug report, or is this a
known issue? :)

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Re: [sword-devel] Android SWORD

[Chris Umphress]

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:05:22 -0700
"Troy A. Griffitts"  wrote:

> A quick update on Android progress.
> 
> o  Basic Bible navigation and display are working, albeit not pretty.
> o  Text-to-Speech functionality is added.
> o  All methods from the engine are now completely wrapped to the same
> swordorb.idl interface we use for SWORDWeb's Java<-CORBA->C++ bridge, so
> a full-featured Android client should now be possible with the current
> engine exposure.

Good to hear. I recently purchased an Android phone and hope to do some
development on it soon.

Thanks,

Chris

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[sword-devel] Spam Detection

[Chris Umphress]

I know that I have not been replying to messages on here very often,
but I do read the messages on occasion and see a number of them end up
in my junk folder because of this:

X-Spam-Flag: YES
X-Spam-Score: 5.9 (+)
X-Spam_bar: +
X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system
"www.crosswire.org", has identified this incoming email as possible
spam.  The original message has been attached to this so you can view
it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email.  If you have any
questions, see the administrator of that system for details.

These specific headers were from Greg's reply to his thread "Packagers
Take Note."

Just wanted to pass this along. :-)

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