Re: [sword-devel] Chinese Pinyin bible

2011-09-11 Thread AJ 
It is not possible to directly covert from Chinese characters to 
pinyin.  Many (most) characters have more than one pronunciation 
depending on the intended meaning (same as the in English with one word 
have multiple meanings).  You have to look character by character to 
make decisions on what pinyin is correct.  In converting a single 
chapter from any book in the bible, over 100 choices would need to be 
made on what the correct pinyin is.


Allen

On 9/12/2011 1:52 AM, David Haslam wrote:

The output of converting to Pinyin using BabelPad is inadequate for the
purpose I suggested, in that it still leaves tonal choices for the user to
make.

Example: ChiUn =>  Pinyin gives:

Genesis 1:1: qǐ chū，　shēn/shén chuāng/chuàng cāo/cào/zào tiān de/dì。
Genesis 1:2: de/dì shì kōng/kǒng/kòng xū gǔn/hún/hǔn/hùn/kūn
chún/dùn/tún/zhuàn， yuān miàn hè/hēi àn；　shēn/shén de/dí/dì líng/lìng yùn
háng/hàng/héng/xíng/xìng zài shuǐ miàn shàng。
Genesis 1:3: 　shēn/shén shuì/shuō/tuō/yuè：「 yāo/yǎo/yào yǒu/yòu guāng」， jiù
yǒu/yòu le/liǎo guāng。

David


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Re: [sword-devel] Chinese Pinyin bible

2011-09-11 Thread David Haslam 
The output of converting to Pinyin using BabelPad is inadequate for the
purpose I suggested, in that it still leaves tonal choices for the user to
make.

Example: ChiUn => Pinyin gives:

Genesis 1:1: qǐ chū，　shēn/shén chuāng/chuàng cāo/cào/zào tiān de/dì。
Genesis 1:2: de/dì shì kōng/kǒng/kòng xū gǔn/hún/hǔn/hùn/kūn
chún/dùn/tún/zhuàn， yuān miàn hè/hēi àn；　shēn/shén de/dí/dì líng/lìng yùn
háng/hàng/héng/xíng/xìng zài shuǐ miàn shàng。
Genesis 1:3: 　shēn/shén shuì/shuō/tuō/yuè：「 yāo/yǎo/yào yǒu/yòu guāng」， jiù
yǒu/yòu le/liǎo guāng。

David


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Re: [sword-devel] Chinese Pinyin bible

2011-09-11 Thread David Haslam 
I just checked the web page where we got the source text from.

http://www.wordproject.org/search/py.htm
http://www.wordproject.org/search/py.htm 

It's clear that the text for Mark's Gospel is now available. Maybe other
errors have been corrected?

Thus the simplest thing would be to grab a fresh copy of the source text and
rebuild our ChiPinyin module.

Then check for any remaining errors.

Even if we also try my other suggestion, we could at least provide feedback
to The Word Project.

David

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Re: [sword-devel] Chinese Pinyin bible

2011-09-11 Thread David Haslam 
PS> To do what I just suggested, you'd need to ask Chris Little for a copy of
the OSIS source text file[s].

David

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Re: [sword-devel] Chinese Pinyin bible

2011-09-11 Thread David Haslam 
Perhaps the best approach to fixing this ChiPinyin module is to start from a
known "good" module such as ChiUn in the CrossWire Av11n repository?

http://www.babelstone.co.uk/Software/BabelPad.html BabelPad  includes a
conversion for Han ideographs to Pinyin.

One advantage is that the conversion process is repeatable, rather than
depending on manual editing.
Another benefit is that the new PinYin module would thereby also include
Strong's numbers.

NB. The ChiUns module in CrossWire Av11n is also derived from ChiUn, but the
conversion was not done using BabelPad.  Rather it was done by the C2C
utility in Mac OS X.

btw. I have compared the outputs from both processes and there are some
systematic differences, involving 42 ideograms. More details available on
request.

David





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Re: [sword-devel] Chinese Pinyin bible

2011-09-10 Thread 1stmac 
I've had a look at this module.

It has quite a number of errors, including:
* missing words in several verses in Lev 11, Num 15, Dt, Neh, 2Kg, Job, Isa, 
Amos and Luke
* missing verse in Dt 15:5, Lk 23:28
* problems with Ps 10, Ps 100-129, Eze 10-13
* missing Mark 3

Still, it does look salvageable.
I'm in the process of fixing the errors, and hope to finish that in a couple of 
days.

שלום 
Yau Onn

On Sep 10, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Martin Denham wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> There is one in the Xiphos repo: ftp://ftp.xiphos.org/zip/chipinyin.zip
> 
> Martin
> 
> On 10 September 2011 04:24, 1stmac  wrote:
> My apologies, that was probably not exactly what you we're looking for ...
> 
> On Sep 10, 2011, at 11:13 AM, 1stmac wrote:
> 
>> Is this what you're looking for?
>> http://www.wordproject.org/pn/index.htm
>> 
>> שלום 
>> Yau Onn
>> 
>> On Sep 10, 2011, at 10:45 AM, AJ wrote:
>> 
>>> A while back (1 year +) someone pointed me to a link where I could download 
>>> a Chinese Pinyin bible in Sword Project format (not someone on the normal 
>>> CrossWire website).  Can anyone send me a link?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Allen
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Re: [sword-devel] Chinese Pinyin bible

2011-09-10 Thread David Haslam 
As well as the ChiPinYin module in the Xiphos repository, if you have
installed Xiphos, 
you could install the ChiUns module and then use Module Options in the
Xiphos context menu, and select Transliteration.

May not be exactly what you're seeking, but is certainly worth knowing about
as a further resource.

David

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Re: [sword-devel] Chinese Pinyin bible

2011-09-10 Thread Martin Denham 
Hi,

There is one in the Xiphos repo: ftp://ftp.xiphos.org/zip/chipinyin.zip

Martin

On 10 September 2011 04:24, 1stmac  wrote:

> My apologies, that was probably *not* exactly what you we're looking for
> ...
>
> On Sep 10, 2011, at 11:13 AM, 1stmac wrote:
>
> Is this what you're looking for?
> http://www.wordproject.org/pn/index.htm
>
> שלום
> Yau Onn
>
> On Sep 10, 2011, at 10:45 AM, AJ wrote:
>
> A while back (1 year +) someone pointed me to a link where I could download
> a Chinese Pinyin bible in Sword Project format (not someone on the normal
> CrossWire website).  Can anyone send me a link?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Allen
>
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Re: [sword-devel] Chinese Pinyin bible

2011-09-09 Thread 1stmac 
My apologies, that was probably not exactly what you we're looking for ...

On Sep 10, 2011, at 11:13 AM, 1stmac wrote:

> Is this what you're looking for?
> http://www.wordproject.org/pn/index.htm
> 
> שלום 
> Yau Onn
> 
> On Sep 10, 2011, at 10:45 AM, AJ wrote:
> 
>> A while back (1 year +) someone pointed me to a link where I could download 
>> a Chinese Pinyin bible in Sword Project format (not someone on the normal 
>> CrossWire website).  Can anyone send me a link?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Allen
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Re: [sword-devel] Chinese Pinyin bible

2011-09-09 Thread AJ 
There are a number of Pinyin bibles on the web.  What I need is a Pinyin 
module in the Sword Project format that I can install on my desktop.


Thanks,
Allen

On 9/10/2011 11:13 AM, 1stmac wrote:

Is this what you're looking for?
http://www.wordproject.org/pn/index.htm

שלום
Yau Onn

On Sep 10, 2011, at 10:45 AM, AJ wrote:


A while back (1 year +) someone pointed me to a link where I could download a 
Chinese Pinyin bible in Sword Project format (not someone on the normal 
CrossWire website).  Can anyone send me a link?

Thanks,
Allen

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Re: [sword-devel] Chinese Pinyin bible

2011-09-09 Thread 1stmac 
Is this what you're looking for?
http://www.wordproject.org/pn/index.htm

שלום 
Yau Onn

On Sep 10, 2011, at 10:45 AM, AJ wrote:

> A while back (1 year +) someone pointed me to a link where I could download a 
> Chinese Pinyin bible in Sword Project format (not someone on the normal 
> CrossWire website).  Can anyone send me a link?
> 
> Thanks,
> Allen
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[sword-devel] Chinese Pinyin bible

2011-09-09 Thread AJ 
A while back (1 year +) someone pointed me to a link where I could 
download a Chinese Pinyin bible in Sword Project format (not someone on 
the normal CrossWire website).  Can anyone send me a link?


Thanks,
Allen

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