Re: [sword-devel] Song of Solomon missing from ChiNCVt

[David Haslam]

Many of the unresolved module issues in our tracker were created before the
default assignee ceased all his CrossWire acitivities.

We were left in the lurch because of this, and it's not an easy task for
other hard-pressed volunteers to pick things up from where he left off.

As a result, a lot of module issues have fallen by the wayside.

Lamentable, but understandable.

David





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Re: [sword-devel] Song of Solomon missing from ChiNCVt

[David Haslam]

I just closed http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MOD-308

David



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Re: [sword-devel] Song of Solomon missing from ChiNCVt

[Matěj Cepl]

On 2016-03-09, 20:10 GMT, Matěj Cepl wrote:
>> It's just one of the 146 still unresolved issues in the 
>> MODULES tracker.
>>
>> Our unresponsiveness does not make us shine as a community, does it?
>
> Well, it would be also helpful if the tickets were closed when 
> resolved (e.g., 
> http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MOD-308). ;)

Well, I spent a bit of time browsing through our Jira and 
I found some interesting tickets:

  * http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MOD-290 ... this is 
completely unactionable ticket. Could we get update on the 
current status of these modules? There should be some tool 
to file tickets blocking this one for all individual modules 
which need an attention.

  * http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MOD-289 ... "A new 
module version 2.0 has been made and has been tested in both 
Xiphos 3.2.2 and PocketSword 1.4.6 The module, together with 
updated USFM files and a valid OSIS XML file has been sent 
to Peter to be uploaded to our main repo." That's 2014-12-13 
... what is the current status?

  * many many tickets like 
http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MOD-293, 
http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MOD-287 and many 
others  ...  if we had sources for our modules available in 
some VCS, volunteers could help fixing small issues like 
this (with possible approval before publishing, some of 
these are just rebuilds with current tools).  We don’t have 
publicly available sources, and we don’t have maintainers of 
individual modules, so the result is that nobody does 
anything (because few people who has access to modules are 
completely overwhelmed, I guess). Also, it should be 
deduplicated with another requests for rebuild of some 
modules (e.g., 
http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MOD-166, 
http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MOD-264 and many 
others).

  * looking at http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MOD-248 
we should continue working on using automated processing of 
the available open sources (although with MHCC the sitaution 
is really silly … CCEL created with help of volunteers 
complete edition, only to hide the ThML sources behind the 
paywall, so now 
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Matthew_Henry have to 
do whole work again; grrr). I have CzeBKR done from 
WikiSource sources, but I believe the process should 
continue whenever possible.

  * Also, it may be worthy of consideration, whether we 
shouldn't switch to one subcomponent 
(https://blogs.atlassian.com/2013/11/organize-jira-issues-subcomponents/) 
per module, so that we could for example collect all MHCC 
tickets in one place and somebody updating the module could 
see all tickets she should deal with.

Blessings,

Matěj

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Re: [sword-devel] Song of Solomon missing from ChiNCVt

[Matěj Cepl]

On 2016-03-09, 08:46 GMT, David Haslam wrote:
> The issue was reported more than 6 years ago by yours truly.
>
> http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MOD-126
>
> It's just one of the 146 still unresolved issues in the MODULES tracker.
>
> Our unresponsiveness does not make us shine as a community, does it?

Well, it would be also helpful if the tickets were closed when 
resolved (e.g., 
http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MOD-308). ;)

Matěj

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Re: [sword-devel] Song of Solomon missing from ChiNCVt

[David Haslam]

I will send to DM Smith both the edited conf files.

Best regards,

David



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Re: [sword-devel] Song of Solomon missing from ChiNCVt

[David Haslam]

Aside: Something I made a few weeks ago alerted me immediately to the badly
formed escaped RTF tags.

I'd created a Syntax Highlighter Language file for Notepad++ called CONF for
viewing module conf files.

The delinquent tags showed the numbers in a different colour because of the
hyphen/minus separator.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ouyf74gzh5ie2lh/Screenshot%202016-03-09%2009.24.46.png?dl=0

They show up like a sore thumb.

btw. I can share the CONF language file with other users if there's any
demand.
User defined languages can be readily exported and imported.

Best regards,

David





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Re: [sword-devel] Song of Solomon missing from ChiNCVt

[David Haslam]

The issue was reported more than 6 years ago by yours truly.

http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MOD-126

It's just one of the 146 still unresolved issues in the MODULES tracker.

Our unresponsiveness does not make us shine as a community, does it?


Best regards,

David





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Re: [sword-devel] Song of Solomon missing from ChiNCVt

[David Haslam]

Yes I agree - converting from Simplified to Traditional isn't
straightforward.

Even with a good heuristic algorithm that takes context into account, the
results would need checking by a fluent reader of Traditional Chinese.

BabelPad has conversion options for both directions. 

In past times, I have discussed the problem with Andrew West (the BabelPad
developer).

Best regards,

David



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Re: [sword-devel] Song of Solomon missing from ChiNCVt

[David Haslam]

Surely no front-end can display improperly formed escaped RTF tags?

25.7% of the tags are bad.

David



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Re: [sword-devel] Song of Solomon missing from ChiNCVt

[DM Smith]

Regarding the escaped RTF tags. The SWORD Project for Windows (BibleCS) and 
JSword frontends properly display the RTF. However, if it is replaced with 
UTF-8, then BibleCS shows ugliness. We have a good number of sources with UTF-8 
in the About field, that BibleCS does not handle properly.

I think we should convert the About to UTF-8.

In Him,
DM Smith

> On Mar 8, 2016, at 3:30 PM, David Haslam  wrote:
> 
> I just installed both modules ChiNCVt and ChiNCVs (in response to Martin's
> email).
> 
> It's conceivable that the source text for one of these modules was derived
> from the source text for the other.  cf. It is feasible to convert
> Traditional Chinese to Simplified (and vice versa).
> 
> Observations:
> 1. Both are very early modules dated 2002-01-01
> 2. There is no DistributionLicense entry in the conf files, even though
> these are copyrighted works.
>(c) 2002 The Worldwide Bible Society Ltd. All rights reserved.
> 3. The About key text is made up of escaped RTF tags for Chinese Unicode.
> Front-ends such as Xiphos do not display these as Chinese ideograms. Worse
> still, 73 of the 284 tags are improperly formed by having a hyphen/minus
> after the \u. The line needs correcting and converting to proper UTF-8
> characters. We could at least implement this, and update the module conf
> files.
> 4. Song of Solomon is missing from ChiNCVt but not from ChiNCVs.
> 5. There are further 28 missing verses in both modules, as detected by the
> utility emptyvss.
> 
> Ideally, if we still have any links with the publisher, both these modules
> ought to be rebuilt from a fresh copy of the source text files.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> David Haslam
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [sword-devel] Song of Solomon missing from ChiNCVt

[Kahunapule Michael Johnson]

  
  
I have source from the publisher for
  the ChiNCVt that includes Song of Solomon, BUT I need to make some
  utf-8 encoding corrections to it, first.
  Converting from traditional to simplified script is straight
  forward. The reverse is not, because there are multiple cases
  where two ideographs from the traditional script map to one in the
  simplified script.
  I hope to rebuild once the corrections mentioned above are made...
  
  
  On 03/08/2016 10:30 AM, David Haslam wrote:


  I just installed both modules ChiNCVt and ChiNCVs (in response to Martin's
email).

It's conceivable that the source text for one of these modules was derived
from the source text for the other.  cf. It is feasible to convert
Traditional Chinese to Simplified (and vice versa).

Observations:
1. Both are very early modules dated 2002-01-01
2. There is no DistributionLicense entry in the conf files, even though
these are copyrighted works.
(c) 2002 The Worldwide Bible Society Ltd. All rights reserved.
3. The About key text is made up of escaped RTF tags for Chinese Unicode.
Front-ends such as Xiphos do not display these as Chinese ideograms. Worse
still, 73 of the 284 tags are improperly formed by having a hyphen/minus
after the \u. The line needs correcting and converting to proper UTF-8
characters. We could at least implement this, and update the module conf
files.
4. Song of Solomon is missing from ChiNCVt but not from ChiNCVs.
5. There are further 28 missing verses in both modules, as detected by the
utility emptyvss.

Ideally, if we still have any links with the publisher, both these modules
ought to be rebuilt from a fresh copy of the source text files.

Best regards,

David Haslam







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Re: [sword-devel] Song of Solomon missing from ChiNCVt

[David Haslam]

A corrected About line for ChiNCVt would look like this:

About=網上《羪經新璑本\par\par\par
羪經是神給人枢的厚禮ô它不單使人得箩救恩ô也使人得箩更现盛的生命ô又可以使信徒眣備好ô完成各樣的善工\par\par (提後三
16~17)。\par\par 換瘀之ô人癿得箩救恩、更现盛的生命ô及眣備得好ô就癿從畳璨羪經橵始。\par\par
一本好的羪經必柸─忠於原文、易璀易懂、信仰純正、攨緷基督。我們便是本箩濧四大癿愢ô以原文渳璑羪經ô經澲20年的努力ô《羪經新璑本》得以翻璑成。\par\par
《羪經新璑本》深受簑人教會歡瀲ô炷用為公用羪經的教會也緹日俱增ô深枨榮歸上主。翴網上版《羪經新璑本》的椀求也不住提升ô本會正痸劃於2003年前完成整個網上版《羪經新璑本》ô畠盼更多璀翻因為神的疏畢ô信仰有根有基ô梸命日益精濎。\par\par\par\par
所有經文只供網上參翽\par\par\par (c) 2002 The Worldwide Bible Society Ltd. All rights
reserved.\par

Conversion (& prior corrections) implemented using BabelPad.


David



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Re: [sword-devel] Song of Solomon missing from ChiNCVt

[David Haslam]

I just installed both modules ChiNCVt and ChiNCVs (in response to Martin's
email).

It's conceivable that the source text for one of these modules was derived
from the source text for the other.  cf. It is feasible to convert
Traditional Chinese to Simplified (and vice versa).

Observations:
1. Both are very early modules dated 2002-01-01
2. There is no DistributionLicense entry in the conf files, even though
these are copyrighted works.
(c) 2002 The Worldwide Bible Society Ltd. All rights reserved.
3. The About key text is made up of escaped RTF tags for Chinese Unicode.
Front-ends such as Xiphos do not display these as Chinese ideograms. Worse
still, 73 of the 284 tags are improperly formed by having a hyphen/minus
after the \u. The line needs correcting and converting to proper UTF-8
characters. We could at least implement this, and update the module conf
files.
4. Song of Solomon is missing from ChiNCVt but not from ChiNCVs.
5. There are further 28 missing verses in both modules, as detected by the
utility emptyvss.

Ideally, if we still have any links with the publisher, both these modules
ought to be rebuilt from a fresh copy of the source text files.

Best regards,

David Haslam







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[sword-devel] Song of Solomon missing from ChiNCVt

[Martin Denham]

The Song of Solomon is missing from ChiNCVt - New Chinese Version
Traditional - and I was wondering if that was intentional or a
mistake.


Regards

Martin
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