Re: [sword-devel] Strongs and Real Strongs
The Strongs(Greek|Hebrew) modules in beta should be essentially the same as the StrongsReal(Greek|Hebrew). It probably needs an update to the latest versions of its source docs, and I know it has a number of encoding problems in the Hebrew module, but I'll do a quick cleanup and push the updates to the public repository in the next few days. The reason for not having put them in public previously is that they are TEI modules, which were not reliably supported in all of the frontends ~3 years ago when the modules were last updated. At this point, any frontend that doesn't support TEI needs to be left behind. (I'm not aware of any that are so lacking.) The Strong module in beta is intended to do something akin to a combined Strongs(Greek|Hebrew) and Karl's Inverted lexicons, all in one. It suffers from a bug somewhere (either in the library or the module utilities) that breaks LD entry linking, so that may not appear in public very soon. --Chris On 10/7/11 12:35 PM, Martin Denham wrote: Is one of Strongs or Real Strongs to be preferred or do they both have advantages or does Real Strongs supersede Strongs? Unfortunately I am no linguist. Thanks Martin ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Strongs and Real Strongs
Aaron Christianson writes:
> If you don't know the Hebrew or Greek alphabets, it is possible that
> the Strong's transliterations will be more helpful to you (though
> those may also be in the 'real' versions, come to think of it).
As StrongsRealGreek's "about" observes:
Technical format rendering:
Greek [beta] {transliteration} \phonetic\
For StrongsRealHebrew, the "about" doesn't say explicitly, but looking
at any entry, you can see that it is:
Hebrew [transliteration] \phonetic\
The "Real" modules are in effect a proper superset of the older
Strongs(Hebrew|Greek) modules. I really don't know why they should be
retained at this point, especially considering that Ulrik's Greek (the
source for StrongsRealGreek) is in fact derived (reverse engineered)
from the older StrongsGreek.
> The "inverted real" versions allow you to search for the word in the
> original language yourself, rather than having to rely on an available
> Strong's link.
Again from "about" for InvStrongsRealGreek:
Limited utility due to the fact that diacritically-marked Greek does
not sort well in UTF-8.
This problem has been brought up in sword-devel now and again, to no
resolution. Frankly, word searches in these modules are very much a
hit-or-miss proposition in the current state of Sword encoding.
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Re: [sword-devel] Strongs and Real Strongs
The Strong's part of both versions are equally real. As already mentioned, it's the original languages that are "real" in Strong's real Hebrew and Strong's real Greek. I am actually a linguist (well, more or less), and the "Real" versions are easier to use if you know your Hebrew and Greek alphabets, and they help if you want to look it up in another dictionary and just use Sword to identify the lemma. If you don't know the Hebrew or Greek alphabets, it is possible that the Strong's transliterations will be more helpful to you (though those may also be in the 'real' versions, come to think of it). The "inverted real" versions allow you to search for the word in the original language yourself, rather than having to rely on an available Strong's link. This would be nice if Sword had more substantial dictionaries, but I'm curious about a word I'll usually look it up elsewhere. Strong's is helpful for reading on the fly, but it is not a scientific tool for preparing in-depth word studies. For this reason, I highly advise learning Greek and Hebrew alphabets (each of which can be more or less learned in a day and mastered in a week), using "Strongs Real" modules, and looking up important words in an external dictionary. Diogenes is an excellent open and free tool for studying Greek texts with a comprehensive dictionary of ancient Greek built in (for all dialects, not just Koine). There is nothing so nice available for Hebrew, but you can free, legal (enormous) PDF's of Brown Driver Briggs Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon at archive.org, which are quite usable. There are also searchable PDF's of the same document floating around the internet, but it is not intended to be free by it's creator and the free ones are presumably illegal (not sure though, as the content is based on a document in the public domain). Getting BDB (Brown Driver Briggs) is the easy part, however. Learning to use it is something else altogether. Probably more than you wanted to know. My email is always open to those with any biblical-language-related questions, particularly those regarding Hebrew and Aramaic: ninjaa...@gmail.com ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Strongs and Real Strongs
The "Real" versions in the Xiphos repository use real Hebrew and Greek; the regular modules in the CrossWire repository use transliteration. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
[sword-devel] Strongs and Real Strongs
Is one of Strongs or Real Strongs to be preferred or do they both have advantages or does Real Strongs supersede Strongs? Unfortunately I am no linguist. Thanks Martin ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
