[sword-devel] Frontend comparison Wiki page
Please have a look at the slowly shaping up page on frontend comparison in our wiki. http://www.crosswire.org/wiki/Choosing_a_SWORD_program DM and I have brought it into a much more easily readable format and have further broken down all narratives etc into questions which can be answered with yes or no - while striving to leave practically no other features lists left. Others have contributed filling things in and finding gaps in our tables. We have tried to identify the variant solutions to same concepts and problems and to tickle out all features whether well documented and easily usable of not. I certainly have learned a lot about programmes I thought I knew well. All in all there are about 100 features listed and compared. We have removed all features/abilities which are universally shared. There is no point in comparing what all can do. It is quite possible that we still have not grasped one or other particularities. Please review the tables carefully and notify us on the talk page a) if you think something significant is missed. b) something is badly misunderstood. c) you do not agree with one or other d) you do not understand any headings etc. Please also fill in the white bits. Particular big gaps are still for MS (which I have no access to) and BT . I really would prefer if you do not anymore make any changes to the structure of the page, nor add/deduct anything questions/features, but instead please do use the talk page. I am well aware that this 100 features long list is not what we want to present to a first time user to enable him/her to choose between our applications, but whatever we will use for that will be building on what is here. In some form or other. Yours in Him Peter Peter ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] frontend comparison
Here you go Peter, Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. I'd fallen and couldn't reach my keyboard :-) Daniel Blake Peter von Kaehne wrote: Dan Blake wrote: Eeli mentioned using graphics for some of the items to conserve space. Here are very small graphics for supported operating systems. Thanks Dan! You know what I really would like to have is a minimalistic graphic for yes/no/partial or some such. Peter ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page inline: check.pnginline: p.pnginline: x.png___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] frontend comparison
On 01/03/2009, Peter von Kaehne ref...@gmx.net wrote: Chris Little wrote: Karl Kleinpaste wrote: Manfred Bergmann bergman...@web.de writes: What is meant by Ancillary texts and Verse Lists? Many modules, both Bibles and commentaries, have additional introductory material at the fictitious n:0 and 0:0 references. Some apps are able to display this information; Xiphos does so if headings are enabled, because such text is conceptually a variant on headings. The table could perhaps use a different column heading descriptor. Does any front end NOT have a way to display this material? This is a fairly fundamental feature necessary for text integrity. It really should not be considered a distinctive feature of front ends that are capable of displaying chapter/book level material. Rather it should be considered a serious bug in any front end not capable of displaying such material. I don't think book level introductions are usually particularly important - definitely not a serious bug. Chapter level ones may be important. They are usually suplementary material which isn't all that important. If the user gets it, fine. If they don't, they are unlikely to know or to worry. For example, how many e-sword bibles have book level introductions (seeing as they are unsupported in e-sword, I believe)? That said, I intend to fix it in BPBible. BpBible and all JSword derived frontends do not display this material AFAICT BPBible does show chapter information, but not book information. God Bless, Ben --- Multitudes, multitudes, in the valley of decision! For the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision. Giôên 3:14 (ESV) ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] frontend comparison
Ben Morgan wrote: I don't think book level introductions are usually particularly important - definitely not a serious bug. I think this is a decision for the module maker and not for the tool maker. As long as the sword engine supports a feature, module makers will make use of it - if they consider it important for their particular project. Subsequently a considerable number of modules remain unsupported. BPBible does show chapter information, but not book information. Ok ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] frontend comparison
Eeli mentioned using graphics for some of the items to conserve space. Here are very small graphics for supported operating systems. I'm not sure if they will work good enough, but here they are. Sorry about attaching them to the message but I didn't have a place to host them right now. Daniel Blake inline: 9x.pnginline: linux.pnginline: mac.pnginline: osx.pnginline: vista.pnginline: xp.png___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] frontend comparison
Ben Morgan wrote: I don't think book level introductions are usually particularly important - definitely not a serious bug. Chapter level ones may be important. They are usually suplementary material which isn't all that important. If the user gets it, fine. If they don't, they are unlikely to know or to worry. For example, how many e-sword bibles have book level introductions (seeing as they are unsupported in e-sword, I believe)? That said, I intend to fix it in BPBible. This may be arguable for a Bible text (though I disagree); but this is not even remotely true for a commentary. Brian ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] frontend comparison
Dan Blake wrote: Eeli mentioned using graphics for some of the items to conserve space. Here are very small graphics for supported operating systems. Thanks Dan! You know what I really would like to have is a minimalistic graphic for yes/no/partial or some such. Peter ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] frontend comparison
Ben, I think the module developer should decide on this. As a module developer I found it frustrating that only two front-ends, both of them compiled only for Linux at the time, supported book level introductions. When one front-end doesn't support a well-discussed feature it is hard to know whether you're OSIS tagging is correct or not. Very often Bibles have introductory material for a book, though it is less common to see introductory material for a chapter (the reason being that chapters are often considered arbitrary divisions). I would like BPBible to support book introductions. It should be a minimum level of functionality in thinking about future support of the ESV study Bible, for example. I'd suggest you think about it for 0.5... By the way, the modules with introductions in the repository are VietNVB and VietLCCMN (not all books have them, but the major ones do). Daniel Ben Morgan wrote: On 01/03/2009, Peter von Kaehne ref...@gmx.net wrote: Chris Little wrote: Karl Kleinpaste wrote: Manfred Bergmann bergman...@web.de writes: What is meant by "Ancillary texts" and "Verse Lists"? Many modules, both Bibles and commentaries, have additional introductory material at the fictitious n:0 and 0:0 references. Some apps are able to display this information; Xiphos does so if headings are enabled, because such text is conceptually a variant on headings. The table could perhaps use a different column heading descriptor. Does any front end NOT have a way to display this material? This is a fairly fundamental feature necessary for text integrity. It really should not be considered a distinctive feature of front ends that are capable of displaying chapter/book level material. Rather it should be considered a serious bug in any front end not capable of displaying such material. I don't think book level introductions are usually particularly important - definitely not a serious bug. Chapter level ones may be important. They are usually suplementary material which isn't all that important. If the user gets it, fine. If they don't, they are unlikely to know or to worry. For example, how many e-sword bibles have book level introductions (seeing as they are unsupported in e-sword, I believe)? That said, I intend to fix it in BPBible. BpBible and all JSword derived frontends do not display this material AFAICT BPBible does show chapter information, but not book information. God Bless, Ben --- Multitudes, multitudes, in the valley of decision! For the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision. Giôên 3:14 (ESV) ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] frontend comparison
Ben, I think the module developer should decide on this. As a module developer I found it frustrating that only two front-ends, both of them compiled only for Linux at the time, supported book level introductions. When one front-end doesn't support a well-discussed feature it is hard to know whether you're OSIS tagging is correct or not. Very often Bibles have introductory material for a book, though it is less common to see introductory material for a chapter (the reason being that chapters are often considered arbitrary divisions). I would like BPBible to support book introductions. It should be a minimum level of functionality in thinking about future support of the ESV study Bible, for example. I'd suggest you think about it for 0.5... Daniel Ben Morgan wrote: On 01/03/2009, Peter von Kaehne ref...@gmx.net wrote: Chris Little wrote: Karl Kleinpaste wrote: Manfred Bergmann bergman...@web.de writes: What is meant by "Ancillary texts" and "Verse Lists"? Many modules, both Bibles and commentaries, have additional introductory material at the fictitious n:0 and 0:0 references. Some apps are able to display this information; Xiphos does so if headings are enabled, because such text is conceptually a variant on headings. The table could perhaps use a different column heading descriptor. Does any front end NOT have a way to display this material? This is a fairly fundamental feature necessary for text integrity. It really should not be considered a distinctive feature of front ends that are capable of displaying chapter/book level material. Rather it should be considered a serious bug in any front end not capable of displaying such material. I don't think book level introductions are usually particularly important - definitely not a serious bug. Chapter level ones may be important. They are usually suplementary material which isn't all that important. If the user gets it, fine. If they don't, they are unlikely to know or to worry. For example, how many e-sword bibles have book level introductions (seeing as they are unsupported in e-sword, I believe)? That said, I intend to fix it in BPBible. BpBible and all JSword derived frontends do not display this material AFAICT BPBible does show chapter information, but not book information. God Bless, Ben --- Multitudes, multitudes, in the valley of decision! For the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision. Giôên 3:14 (ESV) ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
[sword-devel] [frontend comparison] was Re: Getting rid of BibleCS
Karl Kleinpaste wrote: - The format has been mangled a bit, because you've put Read Aloud in but it shows up under Portable :-) Fixed - Dom will be annoyed that you left French off the GUI languages list. Ouch. Fixed I have taken out the maintained column - it is clearly useless if all frontends have the same yes there. I have added some columns. I have shortened search descriptions by referring to wildcard, regex and clucene searches. My revised entry in bpbible might require some love as I am not sure what bpbible here offers - crossverse proximity is a + in comparison to others with clucene, but it appears that general clucene syntax does not work here. Maybe I am doing things wrong. I think we are slowly moving to a place where the table needs to get split into several tables. Peter ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
[sword-devel] frontend comparison
Manfred Bergmann bergman...@web.de writes: What is meant by Ancillary texts and Verse Lists? Many modules, both Bibles and commentaries, have additional introductory material at the fictitious n:0 and 0:0 references. Some apps are able to display this information; Xiphos does so if headings are enabled, because such text is conceptually a variant on headings. The table could perhaps use a different column heading descriptor. The meaning of a verse list will vary a bit from one app to another -- Xiphos doesn't support creating verse lists on the fly, but it does generate a verse list from e.g. sidebar search, and that list can then be saved in bookmarks. But other apps have a different interpretation of verse lists. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] frontend comparison
Karl Kleinpaste wrote: Manfred Bergmann bergman...@web.de writes: What is meant by Ancillary texts and Verse Lists? Many modules, both Bibles and commentaries, have additional introductory material at the fictitious n:0 and 0:0 references. Some apps are able to display this information; Xiphos does so if headings are enabled, because such text is conceptually a variant on headings. The table could perhaps use a different column heading descriptor. Does any front end NOT have a way to display this material? This is a fairly fundamental feature necessary for text integrity. It really should not be considered a distinctive feature of front ends that are capable of displaying chapter/book level material. Rather it should be considered a serious bug in any front end not capable of displaying such material. --Chris ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] frontend comparison
Chris Little wrote: Karl Kleinpaste wrote: Manfred Bergmann bergman...@web.de writes: What is meant by Ancillary texts and Verse Lists? Many modules, both Bibles and commentaries, have additional introductory material at the fictitious n:0 and 0:0 references. Some apps are able to display this information; Xiphos does so if headings are enabled, because such text is conceptually a variant on headings. The table could perhaps use a different column heading descriptor. Does any front end NOT have a way to display this material? This is a fairly fundamental feature necessary for text integrity. It really should not be considered a distinctive feature of front ends that are capable of displaying chapter/book level material. Rather it should be considered a serious bug in any front end not capable of displaying such material. BpBible and all JSword derived frontends do not display this material AFAICT ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] frontend comparison
On Feb 28, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Chris Little wrote: Karl Kleinpaste wrote: Manfred Bergmann bergman...@web.de writes: What is meant by Ancillary texts and Verse Lists? Many modules, both Bibles and commentaries, have additional introductory material at the fictitious n:0 and 0:0 references. Some apps are able to display this information; Xiphos does so if headings are enabled, because such text is conceptually a variant on headings. The table could perhaps use a different column heading descriptor. Does any front end NOT have a way to display this material? This is a fairly fundamental feature necessary for text integrity. It really should not be considered a distinctive feature of front ends that are capable of displaying chapter/book level material. Rather it should be considered a serious bug in any front end not capable of displaying such material. JSword does not. I consider it a bug. If I recall, others don't allow one to select it, but only show it if the entire chapter is being shown. I think this is a bug too. In Him, DM ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
