[sword-devel] need we bookmarks/history storage standart?
Hi, all. I'm very pleasant with Opera Link - bookmarks and browsing history synchronization technology, that allow to share user web experience among all his devices such as home/work desktop computer/notebook and mobile device/phone. It would be great to have standard to store user Bible experience, so users could not only have synchronized data among devices, but even freely migrate on from one sword frontend to another. I found desktop not need this very much, but mobile devices really needs, for example if user lost his device or bought new with another platform... If people like this, i want to create wiki to describe storage format, and after we need synchronization interface. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] need we bookmarks/history storage standart?
Hi Konstantin, Please look at FireBible before you go too far down the envisaged route. FireBible is an JSword based add-on for Mozilla Firefox - and it already supports bookmarks. Contact Brian Fernandes to discuss further. http://thegoan.com/firebible/ http://thegoan.com/firebible/ David -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/need-we-bookmarks-history-storage-standart-tp1678793p1678876.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] need we bookmarks/history storage standart?
I would agree with David. With the advent of more and more mobile devices and the ability to use Crosswire software everywhere I think it would be nice to have a universal system to save and (potentially) share bookmarks and annotations To do this on the long run without ending up in trouble we should not go down a route of building on a closed source implementation (as Opera is). Peter Original-Nachricht > Datum: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 02:10:04 -0800 (PST) > Von: David Haslam > An: sword-devel@crosswire.org > Betreff: Re: [sword-devel] need we bookmarks/history storage standart? > > Hi Konstantin, > > Please look at FireBible before you go too far down the envisaged route. > > FireBible is an JSword based add-on for Mozilla Firefox - and it already > supports bookmarks. > > Contact Brian Fernandes to discuss further. > > http://thegoan.com/firebible/ http://thegoan.com/firebible/ > > David > -- > View this message in context: > http://n4.nabble.com/need-we-bookmarks-history-storage-standart-tp1678793p1678876.html > Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ___ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -- GMX.at - Österreichs FreeMail-Dienst mit über 2 Mio Mitgliedern E-Mail, SMS & mehr! Kostenlos: http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/atfreemail ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] need we bookmarks/history storage standart?
I want describe idea one more time. Day 1. User read Bible on evening and add bookmarks on desktop computer. Day 2. User read Bible on the way to work from the place he finished yesterday on mobile device. On evening he read from place he finished on mobile... About FireBible, it is almost that i mean, i have no Bookmarks synchronization add-on for Firefox, but i sure it exists. So if i want make synchronization for my application for mobile device i should make it working with any web bookmarks sharing service... But: 1. We need standardized storage format anyway 2. I do not sure it will be enough flexible, because i want store more except when and where (in a Bible). History item in my mind should contain from read range, finishing verse, module, times. In my application (SlideBible for Windows Mobile) i want increase value of user experience with the Bible, because many peoples telling : "with paper Bible i can do that and that...". Reading ranges in history are necessary to look places you never read. Also i want verse ratings and notes. All synchronized on server and available anywhere. Mmm, Opera Link is just an inspiration, i do not see any benifit from it. Anyway nice to try with synchronization with FireBible... > I would agree with David. > With the advent of more and more mobile devices and the ability to > use Crosswire software everywhere I think it would be nice to have a > universal system to save and (potentially) share bookmarks and annotations > To do this on the long run without ending up in trouble we should > not go down a route of building on a closed source implementation (as Opera > is). > Peter > Original-Nachricht >> Datum: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 02:10:04 -0800 (PST) >> Von: David Haslam >> An: sword-devel@crosswire.org >> Betreff: Re: [sword-devel] need we bookmarks/history storage standart? >> >> Hi Konstantin, >> >> Please look at FireBible before you go too far down the envisaged route. >> >> FireBible is an JSword based add-on for Mozilla Firefox - and it already >> supports bookmarks. >> >> Contact Brian Fernandes to discuss further. >> >> http://thegoan.com/firebible/ http://thegoan.com/firebible/ >> >> David >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://n4.nabble.com/need-we-bookmarks-history-storage-standart-tp1678793p1678876.html >> Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> ___ >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -- С уважением, Konstantin mailto:kale...@mail.ru ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] need we bookmarks/history storage standart?
What bookmarking service is preferable for such task? There is any public data synchronization service? Or we could create own on crosswire.org? ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] need we bookmarks/history storage standart?
On 3/23/2010 9:33 AM, Konstantin Maslyuk wrote: What bookmarking service is preferable for such task? There is any public data synchronization service? Or we could create own on crosswire.org? I think an interesting way to do it, that combines another recent idea about bibliographic information, would be to create a Zotero SWORD translator (usually a type of scraper but that may not work in this case) for FireBible. That would provide not just synchronization but also the ability to collaborate and publicly display your collections of "bookmarks" on Zotero. Jerry ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] need we bookmarks/history storage standart?
H, I have been meaning to bring this up on the list. I have had quite a few requests for the ability to sync bookmarks between SWORD front-ends and PocketSword (on the iPhone). I haven't had time to think much about it, but what I have thought of is: - We would need a common bookmark format across front-ends that wished to participate in such a feature. - It would probably be best to have this all accessible on some 3rd party server, given there is so much already out there. - Something like this would require thought WRT the whole "persecuted country" thing (see what we do for the install manager, for example). - This could simply be a database somewhere that users connect to over http & basically retrieve a plain text file, like our .conf files, and be built into the SWORD lib, which then parses the file for us and creates "bookmark" objects? with the ability to add/delete/modify each "bookmark" object? anyway, I would love for this to happen. But it requires a collaboration between front-end developers to make this work. What attributes does each "bookmark" object need, for example? What do the various front-ends currently use? I'm due to be completely rewriting the PocketSword bookmark system in the next couple of months (yay, I hear PocketSword users say, cause it's currently overly simple), so I haven't thought about much, besides allowing a "bookmark" object to simply be a container for other "bookmark" objects (a "folder") & then for "bookmark" objects to be contained in these "folders"... :) Personally, I also want PocketSword to be able to highlight verses if they are bookmarked, but the highlight colour wouldn't need to be part of the "bookmark" object -- I can create a look-up table between the "folder" names & a colour assigned to that "folder". :) Perhaps I have said enough to show that I'd like for this to happen? :) Perhaps I've said too much and people don't want to be thinking in this much detail about this yet? Either way, hope that helps :) ybic nic... :) Nic Carter PocketSword Developer - an iPhone Bible Study app www: http://crosswire.org/pocketsword iTunes: http://itunes.apple.com/app/Pocketsword/id341046078 Twitter: http://twitter.com/pocketsword On 23/03/2010, at 7:16 AM, jhphx wrote: > On 3/23/2010 9:33 AM, Konstantin Maslyuk wrote: >> What bookmarking service is preferable for such task? >> There is any public data synchronization service? >> Or we could create own on crosswire.org? >> >> > > I think an interesting way to do it, that combines another recent idea about > bibliographic information, would be to create a Zotero SWORD translator > (usually a type of scraper but that may not work in this case) for FireBible. > That would provide not just synchronization but also the ability to > collaborate and publicly display your collections of "bookmarks" on Zotero. > > Jerry > > > ___ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] need we bookmarks/history storage standart?
I think the task should be separated into two: a format a way for sharing them Re format: Maybe the best would be a format which would allow graceful fail for everyone who does not want to implement all features. A brainstorm re features required/requested A XML(?) format which would allow some to simply ignore certain tags. A possibility to extend the feature set for one application (though that risks divergence re sharing: Using a particular service is nice, but not maybe not the most conducive to long term sustainability. So, flexibility might be the best here. At the lowest end, the file should work if copied into the right place. I will open a Wiki page on the matter. Peter Nic Carter wrote: > H, I have been meaning to bring this up on the list. I have had quite a > few requests for the ability to sync bookmarks between SWORD front-ends and > PocketSword (on the iPhone). I haven't had time to think much about it, but > what I have thought of is: > > - We would need a common bookmark format across front-ends that wished to > participate in such a feature. > - It would probably be best to have this all accessible on some 3rd party > server, given there is so much already out there. > - Something like this would require thought WRT the whole "persecuted > country" thing (see what we do for the install manager, for example). > - This could simply be a database somewhere that users connect to over http & > basically retrieve a plain text file, like our .conf files, and be built into > the SWORD lib, which then parses the file for us and creates "bookmark" > objects? with the ability to add/delete/modify each "bookmark" object? > > anyway, I would love for this to happen. But it requires a collaboration > between front-end developers to make this work. What attributes does each > "bookmark" object need, for example? What do the various front-ends > currently use? I'm due to be completely rewriting the PocketSword bookmark > system in the next couple of months (yay, I hear PocketSword users say, cause > it's currently overly simple), so I haven't thought about much, besides > allowing a "bookmark" object to simply be a container for other "bookmark" > objects (a "folder") & then for "bookmark" objects to be contained in these > "folders"... :) Personally, I also want PocketSword to be able to highlight > verses if they are bookmarked, but the highlight colour wouldn't need to be > part of the "bookmark" object -- I can create a look-up table between the > "folder" names & a colour assigned to that "folder". :) > > Perhaps I have said enough to show that I'd like for this to happen? :) > Perhaps I've said too much and people don't want to be thinking in this much > detail about this yet? Either way, hope that helps :) > > > ybic > nic... :) > > > Nic Carter > PocketSword Developer - an iPhone Bible Study app > www: http://crosswire.org/pocketsword > iTunes: http://itunes.apple.com/app/Pocketsword/id341046078 > Twitter: http://twitter.com/pocketsword > > On 23/03/2010, at 7:16 AM, jhphx wrote: > >> On 3/23/2010 9:33 AM, Konstantin Maslyuk wrote: >>> What bookmarking service is preferable for such task? >>> There is any public data synchronization service? >>> Or we could create own on crosswire.org? >>> >>> >> I think an interesting way to do it, that combines another recent idea about >> bibliographic information, would be to create a Zotero SWORD translator >> (usually a type of scraper but that may not work in this case) for >> FireBible. That would provide not just synchronization but also the ability >> to collaborate and publicly display your collections of "bookmarks" on >> Zotero. >> >> Jerry >> >> >> ___ >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > > > ___ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] need we bookmarks/history storage standart?
Peter von Kaehne wrote: > I will open a Wiki page on the matter. Here: http://www.crosswire.org/wiki/Frontend:BookmarksStandard > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > Nic Carter wrote: >> H, I have been meaning to bring this up on the list. I have had quite a >> few requests for the ability to sync bookmarks between SWORD front-ends and >> PocketSword (on the iPhone). I haven't had time to think much about it, but >> what I have thought of is: >> >> - We would need a common bookmark format across front-ends that wished to >> participate in such a feature. >> - It would probably be best to have this all accessible on some 3rd party >> server, given there is so much already out there. >> - Something like this would require thought WRT the whole "persecuted >> country" thing (see what we do for the install manager, for example). >> - This could simply be a database somewhere that users connect to over http >> & basically retrieve a plain text file, like our .conf files, and be built >> into the SWORD lib, which then parses the file for us and creates "bookmark" >> objects? with the ability to add/delete/modify each "bookmark" object? >> >> anyway, I would love for this to happen. But it requires a collaboration >> between front-end developers to make this work. What attributes does each >> "bookmark" object need, for example? What do the various front-ends >> currently use? I'm due to be completely rewriting the PocketSword bookmark >> system in the next couple of months (yay, I hear PocketSword users say, >> cause it's currently overly simple), so I haven't thought about much, >> besides allowing a "bookmark" object to simply be a container for other >> "bookmark" objects (a "folder") & then for "bookmark" objects to be >> contained in these "folders"... :) Personally, I also want PocketSword to >> be able to highlight verses if they are bookmarked, but the highlight colour >> wouldn't need to be part of the "bookmark" object -- I can create a look-up >> table between the "folder" names & a colour assigned to that "folder". :) >> >> Perhaps I have said enough to show that I'd like for this to happen? :) >> Perhaps I've said too much and people don't want to be thinking in this much >> detail about this yet? Either way, hope that helps :) >> >> >> ybic >> nic... :) >> >> >> Nic Carter >> PocketSword Developer - an iPhone Bible Study app >> www: http://crosswire.org/pocketsword >> iTunes: http://itunes.apple.com/app/Pocketsword/id341046078 >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/pocketsword >> >> On 23/03/2010, at 7:16 AM, jhphx wrote: >> >>> On 3/23/2010 9:33 AM, Konstantin Maslyuk wrote: What bookmarking service is preferable for such task? There is any public data synchronization service? Or we could create own on crosswire.org? >>> I think an interesting way to do it, that combines another recent idea >>> about bibliographic information, would be to create a Zotero SWORD >>> translator (usually a type of scraper but that may not work in this case) >>> for FireBible. That would provide not just synchronization but also the >>> ability to collaborate and publicly display your collections of "bookmarks" >>> on Zotero. >>> >>> Jerry >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >> >> ___ >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > > > ___ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] need we bookmarks/history storage standart?
I have expanded the new wiki page a little - I hope this helps. David -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/need-we-bookmarks-history-storage-standart-tp1678793p1680389.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] need we bookmarks/history storage standart?
Before we travel too far down the road of reinventing the wheel, there are definitely bookmark formats floating around already which have some amount of standardization. See the XML Bookmark Exchange Language http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XBEL and that page's related links to XOXO and OPML. --Greg On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:22 AM, David Haslam wrote: > > I have expanded the new wiki page a little - I hope this helps. > > David > -- > View this message in context: > http://n4.nabble.com/need-we-bookmarks-history-storage-standart-tp1678793p1680389.html > Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ___ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] need we bookmarks/history storage standart?
One example of the use of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPML OPML for bookmark import/export is the http://sagerss.com/ Sage lightweight RSS and Atom feed reader - which is an add-on for Mozilla Firefox. David -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/need-we-bookmarks-history-storage-standart-tp1678793p1680448.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] need we bookmarks/history storage standart?
Hi, On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > re sharing: > > Using a particular service is nice, but not maybe not the most conducive > to long term sustainability. So, flexibility might be the best here. At > the lowest end, the file should work if copied into the right place. +1 for this. Not all people have access to always on internet connection, so I prefer local bookmark storage, which can be shared (optional) using particular service. However, this local storage (the format and the location) need to have common/standard across all crosswire front end > I will open a Wiki page on the matter. +1 good idea Cheers Tonny Kohar -- Alkitab Bible Study Testament and Grace http://www.kiyut.com/products/alkitab/index.html ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] need we bookmarks/history storage standart?
I just moved the wiki page to http://www.crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:Bookmarks_Standard http://www.crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:Bookmarks_Standard David -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/need-we-bookmarks-history-storage-standart-tp1678793p1691977.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] need we bookmarks/history storage standart?
I see only one real advantage of using xbel as format for bookmarks storage - import local xbel file into browser (that allows to share Bible bookmarks through bookmarking service). If some one knows more, please describe on wiki (http://crosswire.org/wiki/Talk:Frontends:Bookmarks_Standard). Anyway i think we could accept xbel and proceed with describing folders/properties. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] need we bookmarks/history storage standart?
Resurrecting an old thread, that seems to have gone a bit stale since March. Have others seen http://readitlaterlist.com/ http://readitlaterlist.com/ David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/need-we-bookmarks-history-storage-standart-tp1678793p3167120.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
