Ghost3D,
If you do not like the new form framework, then I recommend that you stick
with the 1.0 branch of Symfony.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the directory structure used in
Symfony projects. Once you get used to the layout, it makes sense.
Kind regards,
Nick.
2009/9/23 bghost
>
> Hi Fabien,
>
> You say that I write nonsense and stupid e-mails? Well, seems that
> you did not understand me. So, I'll be here a little more detailed and
> specific:
>
> First:
>
> No offense Fabien, this is a well-meaning criticism. I know that you
> invested so much effort into Symfony. However, you are a little
> exaggerated forcing object model and object-oriented programming
> where it is necessary - and where it is not (as is the case with WEB
> Forms), in the language which already has a very bad and sloppy
> object model. So you complicate some tasks in the Symfony
> framework that already was simple and good.
>
>
> Second:
>
> Almost 90% of the code that generates the Symfony framework
> developer need to modify or re-write, because the generated
> code "does not follow best practice" (per your words) in programming.
> What is the point and what the benefits of the code generated if 90%
> of the code must be re-written on the completely different way?
>
> Third:
>
> The result of all this is a complex directory structure, many empty
> classes that only contain a skeleton and just inherits one of the base
> classes, and finally the CRUD code that always must be re-written.
> And to get all that, the programmer must learn a bunch of different
> configuration and command line options.
> And when a programmer, after a painstaking setup and configuration
> of various options and parameters, finally gets the generated code,
> he must re-write 90% of the generated code.
>
> WBR,
> Ghost3D
>
>
> On Sep 23, 9:19 am, Fabien Potencier project.com> wrote:
> > Ok, I think we get the point. No need to be rude. Please, go away, use
> > whatever framework you want, and stop writing nonsense emails.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Fabien
> >
> > --
> > Fabien Potencier
> > Sensio CEO - symfony lead developer
> > sensiolabs.com | symfony-project.org | fabien.potencier.org
> > Tél: +33 1 40 99 80 80
> >
> > bghost wrote:
> > > As I said at the beginning:
> >
> > > Symfony has become too complicated. Also, Symfony folder structure
> > > has become too complicated. Definitely, the learning of principles on
> > > which Symfony working is painful and unprofitable. If you really want
> > > to
> > > see, which means fast, easy and effective PHP framework, then take a
> > > look on the following link:
> >
> > >http://www.yiiframework.com/
> >
> > > WBR,
> > > Ghost3D
> >
> > > On Sep 21, 3:31 pm, Sid Bachtiar wrote:
> > >> XD
> >
> > >> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:28 AM, dziobacz
> wrote:
> >
> > >>> I would like to say that Symfony is very, very good and future
> > >>> framework. Thx Symfony I could learn very fast ASP.NET MVC (not
> > >>> ASP.NET but ASP.NET MVC) - these two frameworks have got many
> similar
> > >>> things.
> > >>> While Zend Framework is far, far away Symfony and ASP.NET MVS. In
> Zend
> > >>> you must almost everything creat by yourself !! For example you must
> > >>> modify Bootstrap file and write there strange code to enable
> > >>> layout !!! Symfony is the best !! :)
> > >>> On 21 Wrz, 10:58, CaffeineInc wrote:
> > I think symfony is brilliant, If you need a framework which can
> scale
> > to enterprise level websites with fast prototyping and a flexible
> ORM,
> > then you don't need anything else. If you think it's complicated,
> then
> > maybe you're in the wrong place.
> > If you want to build a small website with everything pre-configured,
> > I'd probably stick with something like SilverStripe.
> > P.s slagging off the framework in 2-3 lines is not very constructive
> > for the users forum.
> > On Sep 18, 6:09 pm, bghost wrote:
> > > No, the crux of what I wanted to say is:
> > > Users should not spend more time to learn how some Web Framework
> > > works but they need to learn a programming language. Any framework
> > > should be only an auxiliary tool, not an entire small science.
> > > So, simplicity and speed should be paramount.
> > > WBR,
> > > Ghost3D
> > > On Sep 18, 5:30 pm, Sid Ferreira wrote:
> > >> The most easy thing to understand is something that doesn't need
> > >> documentation and I believe that THIS is the point that BGhost is
> talking
> > >> about."I don't want launch a rocket in 30 days, I want my gallery
> ready in
> > >> 12 minutes..."
> > >> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:26, Thomas Rabaix <
> thomas.rab...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > >>> Symfony has many components, each of them are :
> > >>>- easy to understand
> > >>>- easy to configure
> > >>>- very well documented
> > >>> Now, the only thing complicated is to know how all these
> components play
> >
