[systemd-devel] systemctl --user roadmap question
Hi, RHEL removed support for systemd "user services" because they said: "Basically we don't know if systemd --user will stay in systemd as is right now. So we have decided to disable it completely so we will not hit regression in future versions of centos." That statement was made 18 months ago. Any update from the systemd side? Is "systemctl --user" going to stay the way it is? Dramatically change? Or even be removed? Just wondering if there has been any decisions made on the roadmap for "systemctl --user". I personally find it VERY convenient to allow regular users to run their services using the power of systemd. Jeff ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] systemctl --user roadmap question
On Fr, 17.11.17 09:20, Jeff Solomon (jsolomon8...@gmail.com) wrote: > Hi, > > RHEL removed support for systemd "user services" because they said: > > "Basically we don't know if systemd --user will stay in systemd as is right > now. > So we have decided to disable it completely so we will not hit regression > in future versions of centos." > > That statement was made 18 months ago. > > Any update from the systemd side? Is "systemctl --user" going to stay the > way it is? Dramatically change? Or even be removed? Just wondering if there > has been any decisions made on the roadmap for "systemctl --user". > > I personally find it VERY convenient to allow regular users to run their > services using the power of systemd. Yes, it hasn't changed in any incompatible way since quite some time, and I figure the comment should be ignored. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Red Hat ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] systemctl --user roadmap question
That comment explains why --user was removed when centos7 was released. Although now we know that it will remain as it is in upstream, we don't plan to revert the removal in el7, since we are afraid of potential regressions that it might cause. I personally saw couple of logs where users had some automation that was creating tens of new ssh sessions every minute and if we would start systemd instance for every single one of them it would have negative effect on performance, which is not something we can do in late minor releases. Lukas On 17 November 2017 at 18:29, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Fr, 17.11.17 09:20, Jeff Solomon (jsolomon8...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > RHEL removed support for systemd "user services" because they said: > > > > "Basically we don't know if systemd --user will stay in systemd as is > right > > now. > > So we have decided to disable it completely so we will not hit regression > > in future versions of centos." > > > > That statement was made 18 months ago. > > > > Any update from the systemd side? Is "systemctl --user" going to stay the > > way it is? Dramatically change? Or even be removed? Just wondering if > there > > has been any decisions made on the roadmap for "systemctl --user". > > > > I personally find it VERY convenient to allow regular users to run their > > services using the power of systemd. > > Yes, it hasn't changed in any incompatible way since quite some time, > and I figure the comment should be ignored. > > Lennart > > -- > Lennart Poettering, Red Hat > ___ > systemd-devel mailing list > systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org > https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel > ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] systemctl --user roadmap question
That is good to hear and I look forward to seeing it enabled in el8! On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Lukas Nykryn wrote: > That comment explains why --user was removed when centos7 was released. > Although now we know that it will remain as it is in upstream, we don't > plan to revert the removal in el7, since we are afraid of potential > regressions that it might cause. I personally saw couple of logs where > users had some automation that was creating tens of new ssh sessions every > minute and if we would start systemd instance for every single one of them > it would have negative effect on performance, which is not something we can > do in late minor releases. > > Lukas > > On 17 November 2017 at 18:29, Lennart Poettering > wrote: > >> On Fr, 17.11.17 09:20, Jeff Solomon (jsolomon8...@gmail.com) wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > RHEL removed support for systemd "user services" because they said: >> > >> > "Basically we don't know if systemd --user will stay in systemd as is >> right >> > now. >> > So we have decided to disable it completely so we will not hit >> regression >> > in future versions of centos." >> > >> > That statement was made 18 months ago. >> > >> > Any update from the systemd side? Is "systemctl --user" going to stay >> the >> > way it is? Dramatically change? Or even be removed? Just wondering if >> there >> > has been any decisions made on the roadmap for "systemctl --user". >> > >> > I personally find it VERY convenient to allow regular users to run their >> > services using the power of systemd. >> >> Yes, it hasn't changed in any incompatible way since quite some time, >> and I figure the comment should be ignored. >> >> Lennart >> >> -- >> Lennart Poettering, Red Hat >> ___ >> systemd-devel mailing list >> systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org >> https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel >> > > ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
