RE: t-and-f: Cathy Freeman retires
I used to sign my name "Arch Stanton" on all financial documents, as well. There's no signature-checker-upper-guy working in a back office boiler room. Trust me. malmo -Original Message- Subject: RE: t-and-f: Cathy Freeman retires I can't recall how many people I've shared the B.F.D. story with. The Dina. -- - Original Message - DATE: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:18:22 From: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'dcw23'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"'Uri Goldbourt, PhD'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'Post, Marty'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "''[EMAIL PROTECTED] uoregon. edu' \(E-mail\)'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >David, I have "BFD" typed after my name on my personal checks. It >amuses many a grocery store clerk. "What does it mean?" they ask. >"Exactly what you think it does" > >malmo > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dcw23 >Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:26 AM >To: Uri Goldbourt, PhD; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Post, Marty >Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] uoregon. edu' (E-mail) >Subject: Re: t-and-f: Cathy Freeman retires > > >Haha, yes, almost as pompous as someone who feels the need to put the >letters Phd after their name on an email account. :) > >I think Steve Bennett put it all nicely in his email. > >Uri, don't let things like this stress you. We are just rather proud of >her down here. Its nice in this day and age that the general populous >can still show such admiration towards an individual. Its a sad fact of >today's world that most people feel the need to put others down in >order to feel better about themselves. Freeman on the contrary just >makes us all feel good about ourselves. > >David > > >- Original Message - >From: "Uri Goldbourt, PhD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "dcw23" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Post, >Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED] uoregon. edu' (E-mail)" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:27 PM >Subject: RE: t-and-f: Cathy Freeman retires > > >> What pompous pomposity... Poor Cathy. She did what no one else did. >> Herb >Elliot, for example, "only >> " won 1500 meters in a fantastic world record time. Betty Cuthbert >> won >Olympic gold in 400 M 8 years >> after winning 100 and 200. >> >> Etc etc... >> >> The inflation of Freeman's achievements is becoming an uncontrollable >hype. >> > > > Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005
RE: t-and-f: Cathy Freeman retires
I can't recall how many people I've shared the B.F.D. story with. The Dina. -- - Original Message - DATE: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:18:22 From: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'dcw23'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"'Uri Goldbourt, PhD'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'Post, Marty'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "''[EMAIL PROTECTED] uoregon. edu' \(E-mail\)'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >David, I have "BFD" typed after my name on my personal checks. It amuses >many a grocery store clerk. "What does it mean?" they ask. "Exactly what >you think it does" > >malmo > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dcw23 >Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:26 AM >To: Uri Goldbourt, PhD; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Post, Marty >Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] uoregon. edu' (E-mail) >Subject: Re: t-and-f: Cathy Freeman retires > > >Haha, yes, almost as pompous as someone who feels the need to put the >letters Phd after their name on an email account. :) > >I think Steve Bennett put it all nicely in his email. > >Uri, don't let things like this stress you. We are just rather proud of >her down here. Its nice in this day and age that the general populous >can still show such admiration towards an individual. Its a sad fact of >today's world that most people feel the need to put others down in order >to feel better about themselves. Freeman on the contrary just makes us >all feel good about ourselves. > >David > > >- Original Message - >From: "Uri Goldbourt, PhD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "dcw23" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Post, >Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED] uoregon. edu' (E-mail)" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:27 PM >Subject: RE: t-and-f: Cathy Freeman retires > > >> What pompous pomposity... Poor Cathy. She did what no one else did. >> Herb >Elliot, for example, "only >> " won 1500 meters in a fantastic world record time. Betty Cuthbert won >Olympic gold in 400 M 8 years >> after winning 100 and 200. >> >> Etc etc... >> >> The inflation of Freeman's achievements is becoming an uncontrollable >hype. >> > > > Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005
Re: t-and-f: Cathy Freeman retires
Perec/Freeman 400m comparison (rankings, OG, WC). Too bad that Perec pulled out of Sydney. Something tells me that it is a lot harder being a woman than being a man. We should all cut 'em a bit of slack and appreciate their accomplishments. Freeman 2000 (1) OG (1) 1999 (1) WC (1) 1998 (7) 1997 (1) WC (1) 1996 (2) OG (2) 1995 (2) 1994 (2) 1993 (1) Perec 1996 (1) OG (1) 1995 (1) WC (1) 1994 (1) 1993 (-) 1992 (1) OG (1) 1991 (1) WC (1)
t-and-f: [Fwd: TItle IX fyi]
"... OCR hereby clarifies that nothing in Title IX requires the cutting or reduction of teams in order to demonstrate compliance with Title IX ..." Original Message Subject: TItle IX fyi Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 18:10:15 -0500 From: Brenda To: Mike Prizy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.ed.gov/offices/OCR/title9guidanceFinal.html
t-and-f: Chicago Registration at 25,000
Original Message Subject: Registration at 25,000 -- 40,000 Cap expected to close by end of August Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 12:04:53 -0500 From: LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon NEWS RELEASE Registered Participants Reach 25,000 at a Record Pace The 40,000 cap expected to be reached by end of August ? Register Now! Chicago (July 17, 2003)?Registration for 2003 LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon is approaching the 40,000 cap at a rapid pace. To date, more than 25,000 runners have signed up to run the 26.2-mile race that takes place on Sunday, October 12. The cap was increased this year to 40,000 from 37,500. Registration will close on Sept. 5 or when the registration cap is reached, which is expected by the end of August. "We are reaching our registration cap at a record pace this year and I fully expect that we will reach the 40,000 cap as anticipated," stated Executive Race Director Carey Pinkowski. "If you plan on participating this year, you have to make your decision relatively soon and register." Participation in the LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon has increased dramatically since 1996 when only 10,925 registered. The 2003 marathon has the potential to be largest marathon ever to take place. Pinkowski attests the record participation to the growing popularity of running and the fact that the Chicago race has become engrained into the fabric of Chicago and its sports scene. "Running and marathoning have truly been recognized as part of the Chicago sports profile. With a focus on healthy lifestyles and with the extremely talented elite athletes who have produced epic performances in the Chicago Marathon, the sport has become tremendously popular." New to this year's race are competitive and preferred start positions for those who meet certain qualifying times based on completion of a marathon or half-marathon since Jan. 1, 2001. Qualifying times for the 2,500 competitive start positions are 3:15:00 or less in a full marathon and 1:30:00 or less in a half-marathon. For the 5,500 preferred start positions, the qualifying times are 3:45:00 in a marathon and 1:45:00 in a half-marathon. The competitive and preferred start positions are staged closer in proximity to the start line and are offered based on registration date and valid proof received. Less than 1,000 positions remain for the competitive start and 2,500 for the preferred start. The marathon is open to all runners who can complete the course in less than six hours. For information, call 1-888-243-3344 (U.S. and Canada) or (312) 904-9800. Registration is $80 ($90 for international participants) and can be completed online at www.chicagomarathon.com. Elite athletes will compete this fall for the highest marathon purse ever, $550,000. The male and female winners each will earn $100,000, the largest first place payout in the sport. The 2003 LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon begins Sunday, October 12 at 8 a.m., starting and finishing in Chicago's Grant Park and is expected to draw up to the increased registration cap of 40,000 participants. CBS 2 CHICAGO is the official broadcast partner of The LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon and will cover the race live from 7:30 a.m. to 11 a.m. race day. # # #
t-and-f: Ron Clarke (was Cathy Freeman retires)
Remember, Ron Clarke lit the Olympic flame as a 19 year old in 1956, but did not compete in those games. He did run in 1964 (10k bronze) & 1968 OG. Jimson - Original Message - From: "Tom Derderian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 6:43 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Cathy Freeman retires > I am troubled by the term, "recent history". Are Ron Clarke, Herb Elliot, > the heros of my youth, not recent history but, what? Ancient?
Re: t-and-f: Cathy Freeman retires
That an athlete is well known--popular--is not a measure of greatest. If that was the case, the English ski jumper "Eddie the Eagle" or the Jamaican bobsled team would be considered the greatest in their sports. We all know that is ridiculous. Cathy Freeman certainly had substantial pressure on her, and she performed well to her credit. But she faced a weak 400 field, and many of those athletes were past their seasonal peak due to the late schedule of the Games. While her performance is well known in Australia, that has as much to do with the proximity of the event as the actual performance. I don't know how you separate the effects of the two, but I don't think you measure greatest by whether someone who never follows sports otherwise has ever heard of the athlete. People who claim Freeman was the greatest athletes is to reflect on her circumstances, not on who she is. Winning the "biggest sporting event in national history" does not make an athlete the greatest ever. This only makes a statement about a single event. Greatness in a career is measured by many performances over time. Freeman's career does not measure up against other great Australian athletes. (This reminds me some of the inane argument a few years ago that one had to win an Olympic gold medal to be considered one of the greatest athletes, which meant that if your nation boycotted the Olympics (e.g. Rono), or a war intervened (e.g., Warmerdam), you couldn't make it on the list despite your obvious dominance of the era) The greatest Australian track athlete has to be Herb Elliot--Gold Medalist, WR holder, and virtually undefeated in his career. And there are many other athletes who probably rate above Freeman. I know that Australia has produced several great swimmers, some carrying the weight of their nation on their shoulders, too (including the man who won several golds in the sprints in Sidney, whose name I can't remember.) Dawn Fraser is a great example. As for discounting the performances of past athletes, I think it's very informative to recognize that Elliot's and Clarke's marks from the early 1960s would still lead the Australian national lists for 2003 in the 1500 and 10k, and be 2nd in the 5k. 35 to 40 years later, and these performances STILL rank among the nation's best, with Elliot 6th on the all time list, and Clarke 3rd. And Clarke's performance would still be highly competitive in most world class 10ks. I think what is more important to recognize is that Elliot and Clarke lifted athletics from the post-war doldrums to begin what we call the modern era in distance running--they were the true pioneers. But to be completely honest, a decade from now most of us non-Australians will remember Freeman as vaguely as the 1988 women's 400 gold medalist. (Any body know without looking it up? I already have the answer) RMc At 08:50 PM 7/16/2003 -0700, t-and-f-digest wrote: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:40:40 +1000 From: "dcw23" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: t-and-f: Cathy Freeman retires Some quotes from Mike Hurst's article today. Connor is Keith Connor the national head coach of Athletics Australia. " No competitor in Olympic history had ever lit the cauldron at the Opening Ceremony and then gone on to win an individual event at the same Games until Freeman won her gold medal on September 25, 2000, a night described as the greatest in athletics history. Connor said: ``She has done what no other Australian has done which is take everything on her shoulders and deliver. ``Others have won Wimbledon or Olympic gold medals but they didn't have to take on the expectation of the whole nation.'' " The key is those words "whole nation". I don't know if you are from Australia? From the post below, probably not. She is probably the only athlete we have ever had that is a household name in EVERY household. She is an inspiration to people who aren't involved in track and she has inspired countless children to take to the track. Remember, world records are not the mark of the greatest athletes. The greatest athletes are remembered by their greatest performances, and no other performance will ever eclipse that gold medal in Sydney for the majority of Australians. David At 08:50 PM 7/16/2003 -0700, t-and-f-digest wrote.. Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 12:23:00 +1000 From: "Steve Bennett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: t-and-f: Cathy Freeman retires To win at Sydney under that immense pressure - having lit the olympic flame - - as an Aboriginal Australia etc. She was under far greater pressure and held the hopes of every Australian far more than almost any Australian Sportperson ever. That night was almnost the biggest sporting single event ever. Medals in the modern era in any sporting event are much harder to win than anything of the past. So that counts out Ron Clarke, Herb Ellliott etc. Maybe Donald Bradman stacks up as a better magniutde performer but even he never had to play with t
t-and-f: Cathy Freeman greatest?
Netters: I have been following Australian athletics for some 65 years now---beginning, as an 12-year-old by listening to the Davis Cup battes that featured John Bromwich and Adrian Quists for the Aussies and the immortal Don Budge forr the victorious USA team. This gives me a little perspective on the claim that Cathy Freeman may be the greatest athlete who has ever represented the world's largest island or smallest continent---take your pick. To begin with, we cannot be parochial about this matter. The claim, as I read it, was that she was perhaps her country's greatest athlete, not the greatest in "athletics," the international term for what we know as track and field. So it covers all sports. Taking population into consideration, Australia is probably the world's greatest athletic country. It is also the most sports-devoted nation. Its history in sports is rich and varied: athletics, swimming, tennis, equestrian of many kinds, its own version of football (a game which would leave our overstuffed NFL and college linemen panting after a few minutes of action) andm, of course, cricket. (Its greatest athlete, by the way, comes from that esoteric occupation--Sir Donald Bradman, who I believe, is still with us (he was living at the time of the Sydney Olympics). Freeman's accomplsihments in track and field pale besides those of Dawn Fraser, to name just one of the country's many swimming stars. (It was Australia which revolutionizd that sport when it teenegsrs put an abrupt end to U.S. Olympic domination in 1956 at Melbourne (and without any help from illicit drugs). Australian tennis stars have a 100-year history: the names of its stars are a history of the sport. But even leaving the comparison to our sport, there are problems with the claim. Walt Murphy describes uite well the reaction of Freeman's win at Melbourne and calls it the high point of his Olympic viewing, which has been extensive, but does not include 1960 (one he would loe to have been at as his first cousin, Tom, was a member of the U.S. team that year. And it was there that I had my own Olymplic highlight: the 1500M with the WR victory of Herb Elliott, my own choice as Australia's greatest in our sport. I am afraid that I must agree with John Molvar that PC has a lot to do with the claims for Freeman;s supremacy. But, even there, she was not the pioneer for Australia's native population---that honor must go to tennis champ Eva Goolagong (Cawley). And, anyway. this factor should have no place in deciding who is the greatest athlete. (Jackie Robinson has, obviously, a unique and honored place in the history of baseball, but his name does not surface when the question of who is the greatest player in that sport's history is debated.) Ed Grant
Re: t-and-f: Cathy Freeman retires
malmo wrote: > David, I have "BFD" typed after my name on my personal checks. It amuses > many a grocery store clerk. "What does it mean?" they ask. "Exactly what > you think it does" I love it! You guys have a great attitude. There's hope for the world yet. bob
RE: t-and-f: Cathy Freeman retires
David, I have "BFD" typed after my name on my personal checks. It amuses many a grocery store clerk. "What does it mean?" they ask. "Exactly what you think it does" malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dcw23 Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:26 AM To: Uri Goldbourt, PhD; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Post, Marty Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] uoregon. edu' (E-mail) Subject: Re: t-and-f: Cathy Freeman retires Haha, yes, almost as pompous as someone who feels the need to put the letters Phd after their name on an email account. :) I think Steve Bennett put it all nicely in his email. Uri, don't let things like this stress you. We are just rather proud of her down here. Its nice in this day and age that the general populous can still show such admiration towards an individual. Its a sad fact of today's world that most people feel the need to put others down in order to feel better about themselves. Freeman on the contrary just makes us all feel good about ourselves. David - Original Message - From: "Uri Goldbourt, PhD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "dcw23" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Post, Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED] uoregon. edu' (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:27 PM Subject: RE: t-and-f: Cathy Freeman retires > What pompous pomposity... Poor Cathy. She did what no one else did. > Herb Elliot, for example, "only > " won 1500 meters in a fantastic world record time. Betty Cuthbert won Olympic gold in 400 M 8 years > after winning 100 and 200. > > Etc etc... > > The inflation of Freeman's achievements is becoming an uncontrollable hype. >
Re: t-and-f: Cathy Freeman retires
As for Freeman being the "greatest" Australian athlete, aren't we dealing with semantics here? Maybe "most memorable" or "most inspirational" would be a better phrase to describe Freeman's place in Australian history? I would agree with Walt's characterization, but to say that someone is a country's greatest athlete versus having provided the country's greatest athletic moment or memory are not mere semantic quibbles. In one case you are assessing the magnitude of the career athletic achievements of an individual apart from what it may have subjectively "meant" to anyone else. In the other case you are judging the cultural significance of a single performance. I wouldn't presume to tell the Aussies what Cathy Freeman does or doesn't mean to them. It's their national memory - let them enjoy it. But Cathy's actual athletic achievement wasn't much different from that of say Debbie Flintoff-King. Kurt Bray _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
t-and-f: Sully v Sully
This will only be up for a day I think. "The newest face in the quest to unseat Sullivan is extremely familiar to him." http://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/webapp/sitepages/content.asp?contentid=37991&catname=Local+Sports Regards, Martin
Re: t-and-f: Cathy Freeman retires
In a message dated 7/16/2003 11:07:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >woods47 said:..Cathy had to be under tremendous pressure to light the Olympic >torch to open the games...DID you mean pleasure, what pressure > Pressure is the appropriate word...this may not have come across in the broadcast of the torch lighting, but the device that was to transport Freeman up the ramp got stuck and she had to stand there smiling as workers frantically tried to get the thing moving again. As for Freeman being the "greatest" Australian athlete, aren't we dealing with semantics here? Maybe "most memorable" or "most inspirational" would be a better phrase to describe Freeman's place in Australian history? In my many years of attending Olympics and World Championships, nothing quite matches that magical moment in Sydney when Freeman won the 400. If you weren't there, you can't truly appreciate what it meant to Australians. Walt Murphy
Re: t-and-f: Cathy Freeman retires
Haha, yes, almost as pompous as someone who feels the need to put the letters Phd after their name on an email account. :) I think Steve Bennett put it all nicely in his email. Uri, don't let things like this stress you. We are just rather proud of her down here. Its nice in this day and age that the general populous can still show such admiration towards an individual. Its a sad fact of today's world that most people feel the need to put others down in order to feel better about themselves. Freeman on the contrary just makes us all feel good about ourselves. David - Original Message - From: "Uri Goldbourt, PhD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "dcw23" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Post, Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED] uoregon. edu' (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:27 PM Subject: RE: t-and-f: Cathy Freeman retires > What pompous pomposity... Poor Cathy. She did what no one else did. Herb Elliot, for example, "only > " won 1500 meters in a fantastic world record time. Betty Cuthbert won Olympic gold in 400 M 8 years > after winning 100 and 200. > > Etc etc... > > The inflation of Freeman's achievements is becoming an uncontrollable hype. >
