Re: t-and-f: Templeton on Lagat

2003-10-03 Thread Elitnet
good grief.


Re: t-and-f: Templeton on Lagat

2003-10-03 Thread alan tobin
"Neither Bernard nor Coach Li nor I knew much about EPO testing when all 
this
happened. "

That's total and complete bullshit. If you're at the top of the distance 
running game then it is one of your responsibilities to know about testing 
procedures especially if you're an agent or manager. Pleading ignorance just 
doesn't cut it. I'm sorry about my tone but I just don't buy this crap.

", I also represented Dieter Baumann"

Well, that says it all.

Alan


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I'm forwarding the following from James Templeton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. Some of the points in the first paragraph 
refer to comments made on the
Letsrun website, where I believe this statement is also being posted.

John Manners

I am the manager of Bernard Lagat. I want to say a few things on this 
forum.
Some of the people on these message boards seem fair and reasonable, 
however
it is a pity when supposed track fans and participants hide behind 
anonymous
comments to write ill-informed and vindictive nonsense with a large number 
of
factual inaccuracies. Yes, it is nonsense, most of which has been written 
about
Bernard Lagat, Kenyans, modern track, etc.  It is sad when track people 
warn
me off following these forums because of the ridiculous posts and 
attitudes,
like the responses to such expert and well-meaning people as Renato Canova.
Despite this, I will make a few comments; I'm happy if just a few people 
are
interested. If there is a reasonable amount of fair-minded comment in 
response, I
will try to respond to further queries.

Let me say briefly that I am manager of a small group of athletes. In
addition to Bernard, there are Japheth Kimutai & Patrick Nduwimana (800), 
Benjamin
Kipkurui, Isaac Songok & Wolfram Muller (1500) and Kipkirui Misoi & Paul 
Koech
(steeple). Until he retired a few weeks ago, I also represented Dieter 
Baumann
(since Munich 2002). It is a small but very tight group; there is a great 
bond
between us. We are all proud of Bernard Lagat as an athlete and a man; we 
all
stood by him 100%. I am Australian and have been the manager of Kimutai and
Misoi since WJ in 1996. Our group has grown gradually since then, although 
I've
always sought to keep it small and focused. We are based for the European
summer in the southern German university town of Tübingen, some 45km south 
of
Stuttgart and two hours' drive from Frankfurt, Munich & Zurich. We have 
been
based there since 1998. We are happy to be part of the local running 
community and
have received incredible support from the local people. I also have a very
good and close relationship with James Li, now coach at University of 
Arizona --
a wonderful man and a brilliant coach.

Moving to this doping saga, it was an incredible shock to be told of this
positive A sample on the eve of the 1500 heats. Bernard Lagat has never and 
would
never be involved with any banned substance. To imagine him injecting EPO 
was
impossible to anyone who knows him. He and I were just devastated; our 
first
thought was that this cannot be his urine. We sought to have a DNA test, 
but
plans changed as the weeks unfolded and we spoke to leading scientists and
discovered that, in the opinions of various of them, this test can be 
flawed and
open to inaccuracies. You will understand I cannot say too much at this 
point,
however I note that some experts seem to have changed their tune a bit 
since
comments to this list appeared so

Re: t-and-f: Templeton on Lagat

2003-10-03 Thread Dan Kaplan
It seemed pretty obvious to me that he was referring to the science behind
the testing, not the procedure itself.  Relax, you'll live longer.

Dan


--- alan tobin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Neither Bernard nor Coach Li nor I knew much about EPO testing when all
> this happened. "
> 
> That's total and complete bullshit. If you're at the top of the distance
> running game then it is one of your responsibilities to know about
> testing 
> procedures especially if you're an agent or manager. Pleading ignorance
> just 
> doesn't cut it. I'm sorry about my tone but I just don't buy this crap.
> 
> ", I also represented Dieter Baumann"
> 
> Well, that says it all.
> 
> Alan


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Re: t-and-f: Templeton on Lagat

2003-10-04 Thread B. Kunnath

>From: "alan tobin" :<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>", I also represented Dieter Baumann" 
> 
>Well, that says it all. 
> 
>Alan 

 
 
Actually it doesn't. Im pretty certain Templeton became Baumanns manager AFTER the whole drug fiasco.
 So whats your point?
bob
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Re: t-and-f: Templeton on Lagat

2003-10-04 Thread Elitnet
yep, that's correct

In a message dated 10/4/2003 11:12:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>Actually it doesn't. Im pretty certain Templeton became Baumanns manager
>AFTER the whole drug fiasco.


Re: t-and-f: Templeton on Lagat

2003-10-04 Thread Mike Prizy


He even said so:
"... I also represented Dieter Baumann  (since Munich 2002)."
"B. Kunnath" wrote:

 
>From: "alan tobin" :<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>", I also represented
Dieter Baumann"
>
>Well, that says it all.
>
>Alan  Actually it doesn't. Im pretty certain Templeton became
Baumanns manager AFTER the whole drug fiasco. So whats your point?bob 


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Re: t-and-f: Templeton on Lagat

2003-10-04 Thread Martin J. Dixon
Don't know why something this obvious has to be explained but...as we
saw with the Francis thing, people get judged by the company they keep.
Fairly or unfairly.

"B. Kunnath" wrote:

>
>
> >From: "alan tobin" :>", I also represented Dieter Baumann"
> >
> >Well, that says it all.
> >
> >Alan  Actually it doesn't. Im pretty certain Templeton became
> Baumanns manager AFTER the whole drug fiasco. So whats your point?bob
>
>
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