Re: t-and-f: NCAA Steeple - Ian Connor?
In a message dated 6/3/01 1:17:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone have any details on his last place finish? Did he fall? Thanks, Just as he was making a move towards the lead, he fell at the last water jump, and limped across the finish. Walt Murphy
Re: t-and-f: NCAA hurdles DNF's.
Two of the favorites, Aubrey Herring and Arend Watkins, both went down early (3rd hurdle?). Walt Murphy
t-and-f: WAVA Brisbane a drug battleground?
Greetings, all: WAVA President Torsten Carlius of Sweden is running unopposed for his second and final term of office at the Brisbane General Assembly in July. But that doesn't mean he won't face a fight. Carlius has taken a hard stand against doping in masters track, even with evidence that the most prominent case -- American Kathy Jager's -- involved medical necessity and not an attempt to gain advantage. But in his official report to the biennial assembly, Carlius says: If we were to take a soft stand, we might assume that the athletes were unaware of what they were taking. However, I feel that the tough stand is more realistic, i.e. that the forbidden drugs were taken with full awareness that they were forbidden and performance enhancing. Be assured that we will continue to have drug testing at all our WAVA Championships and it is my further hope that our Regions will also have such tests. George Mathews, chairman of USA Track and Field's Masters TF Committee, would beg to differ, however. Interviewed in Fast Forward, the official magazine of USATF, Mathews says his goals as masters chair include (bringing) about changes in our masters anti-doping policies. We must have some exceptions for medications needed by our athletes as they grow older. Asked what role he will play at the 14th World Veterans Athletic Championships, Mathews told Fast Forward: I will lead our WAVA delegation to Brisbane. I plan on being very active in this organization to see that we are dealt with fairly and our interests are represented properly. Mathews, who will compete in the hammer throw and weight pentathlon, may find another rival in Canada, which has proposed even stronger steps to fight doping. Canada contends that, since testing began for masters, 10 athletes have been penalized for breaking IAAF doping rules. One case has been appealed, Canada says, and the basis of that appeal has been that only trace amounts of a listed substance were found, resulting from prescription use related to the age of the competitor. The IAAF knows that trace amounts of known performance-enhancing substances often indicate earlier heavier use. Therefore, the IAAF maintains a zero-tolerance policy except in very rare, accidentally occurring cases. Further, it is clearly understood at the open level that it is the responsibility of the athlete to ensure that no medication or dietary supplement contains a listed substance. Only by firm application of these principles has rampant drug abuse been prevented. Other major sports take the same approach. Even given such well-motivated policies, there is ample evidence at the open level that some individuals and groups still seek to gain unfair advantage. Due to the number of positive tests already occurring at the masters/veterans level, we must assume that the potential for abuse exists also in our own ranks. Some demand that masters should be freed from strict controls, on the grounds that age may result in necessary use of prohibited performance-enhancing drugs. On the other hand, many competitors have expressed dismay at the thought that while they themselves obey the spirit and letter of anti-doping regulations, they may find themselves in competition against others who do not. A dispute may arise from ignorance or carelessness or `prescription.' Nevertheless, the listed drugs are so listed because of known enhancement effect when used improperly, and sadly we cannot place total, unquestioning reliance on the honesty of a competitor. We wish we could! Canada contends that if we are to prevent abuse, we have to agree on the principles we will apply to detection of performance-enhancing drugs. Among other steps, Canada would like WAVA to permit random drug testing before the WAVA World Veterans Athletic Championships. Canada's motion makes no effort to explain how WAVA, with a biennial budget of about $200,000, would pay for out-of-competition drug testing. Canada further wants this Assembly (to affirm) that it is the sole responsibility of the competitor to avoid prohibited methods of performance enhancement. The WAVA General Assembly will meet July 11, 2001, at the Carlton Crest Hotel in Brisbane, Australia. WAVA W55 world sprint champion Jager, meanwhile, is poised to resume competition when her two-year doping ban expires in August. Jager, a nurse from Glendale, Arizona, has fought for a medical waiver -- a request still in limbo -- for more than a year. She seeks permission to take a hormone replacement medication to control symptoms of menopause, a drug called Estratest that contains trace alounts of methyltestosterone, a synthetic testosterone on the IAAF banned list. Ken Stone http://www.masterstrack.com
t-and-f: Automatic timing
On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:36:09 -0700 (PDT) Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, quoting Charlie Francis' book, Speed Trap, . . . But in 1968, when the IAAF began to make the transition from hand to electronic timing, it bungled the job. As an electronic clock would start the instant the gun was fired (eliminating a human timer's reaction gap), times would be more than two tenths of a second slower. Rather than adjust for the change by putting the clocks on a delay, as proposed by East Germany, the IAAF let the new and slower times tand. In so doing, they severed the 100 metres' link to its past progression of world records dating from 1896. They had, in effect, created a new event. Comment: The IAAF first implemented photo-timing at the 1964 OG at Tokyo. The timing had to incorporate a delay of 0.05s, and times were rounded off to the nearest 1/10s. Hence a time could appear to be up to 1/10s faster than it really was. A study of FULLY automatic times from the Games of 1952, 1956, and 1960 shows that many 100m times were certainly not more than 1/10s faster than the official (and recognised) hand times. The built-in delay was removed before the 1972 Games. Rounding-off [to the nearest 1/10s] was changed [to the full or next full 1/10s] in 1977 and dropped altogether in 1981. These dates apply to races NG 400m; for longer distances there were variations, but now all FAT is, of course, to the full or next full 1/100s. Just in case no-else has pointed out Mr Francis' error. --that horse's ass, P.N. from New Zealand - M M Rohl
t-and-f: Re:An article on Webb with quotes from Sullivan and Warhurst
I wonder what other schools Webb considered given his parents' background? Clearly, the musings about his future were purely hypothetical if they have any say in the matter. Regards, Martin
t-and-f: NY Times Webb
On Saturday, he ran the fourth-fastest 800 meters by an American high school runner, 1:47.74, in the Virginia Group AAA state meet in Richmond. Fyi. Regards, Martin http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/03/sports/03WEBB.html
Re: t-and-f: Automatic timing in 1 9 5 2
Not in 1952! The hand timing in 1952 was horrible! Look up Bob Sparks' deciphering of ET . the quartet of runners given 10.4 and the two (Sukhraev, treloar) given 10.5 in the 100m final actually ran over 10.70! UG Quoting P. N. Heidenstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:36:09 -0700 (PDT) Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, quoting Charlie Francis' book, Speed Trap, . . . But in 1968, when the IAAF began to make the transition from hand to electronic timing, it bungled the job. As an electronic clock would start the instant the gun was fired (eliminating a human timer's reaction gap), times would be more than two tenths of a second slower. Rather than adjust for the change by putting the clocks on a delay, as proposed by East Germany, the IAAF let the new and slower times tand. In so doing, they severed the 100 metres' link to its past progression of world records dating from 1896. They had, in effect, created a new event. Comment: The IAAF first implemented photo-timing at the 1964 OG at Tokyo. The timing had to incorporate a delay of 0.05s, and times were rounded off to the nearest 1/10s. Hence a time could appear to be up to 1/10s faster than it really was. A study of FULLY automatic times from the Games of 1952, 1956, and 1960 shows that many 100m times were certainly not more than 1/10s faster than the official (and recognised) hand times. The built-in delay was removed before the 1972 Games. Rounding-off [to the nearest 1/10s] was changed [to the full or next full 1/10s] in 1977 and dropped altogether in 1981. These dates apply to races NG 400m; for longer distances there were variations, but now all FAT is, of course, to the full or next full 1/100s. Just in case no-else has pointed out Mr Francis' error. --that horse's ass, P.N. from New Zealand - M M Rohl
t-and-f: Grote's Breath of Fresh Air
It was great to see an honest and refreshing opinion on things instead of the standard statist mantra. Grote wrote: What I'm doing is looking out for #1...me. Thats right, I'm a selfish, capitalist bastard. More people and organizations should do this. Instead of charity work, USATF should get its stuff together, make sure nationals and trials (Sacto?) actually turn a profit. I do what works for my damnself. I love to run. I don't run races for money. I love to run a lot, too much. I don't expect to get free stuff, or be paid for it. If I do, bonus. If not, I've got ways figured out to make ends meet. So, perhaps what I do thats good for the sport is not be another burden or drain on it. How's that? I sell running shoes. I talk to young, impressionable, often clueless HS kids a lot. I advertise in USATF-NJ newsletters, sometimes even chip in some donations to clubs or races. Thats about all, I don't have much time, I work 6 days a week, run too much, and have a lawn to mow. Grote adiRP/MMRD __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
t-and-f: NCAA hurdle DNFs
In a message dated 6/2/01 18:08:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just looked at the NCAA 110H results at www.flashresults.com. There were three DNF's. Anyone know what happened? Was there a pileup, or do fall starts get recorded as DNF's in the FlashResults AP style results? as i make it,first time 3 DNFs ever in NCAA 110H history. Going back to 1922 there wre always atleast 6 finishers, and Dave Johnson pretty sure the 5 finishers I have listed for htat year(and1921) reflect everyone who ran gh
t-and-f: Sprinter focuses on human race
Australian star quietly volunteers with Portland homeless center C.W. Nevius San Francisco Chronicle Saturday, June 2, 2001 "Eight months ago, Australian sprinter Cathy Freeman won a gold medal in the Sydney Olympic Games. On Monday, she will ride her bike down a Portland, Oregon, street to report for work as an unpaid volunteer at a homeless center." http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/06/02/M N160040.DTL You will enjoy this front page story. Keith Conning 735 Brookside Drive Vacaville, CA 95688-3509 FAX: 707-448-7667 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB: http://hometown.aol.com/conning/myhomepage/index.html
t-and-f: NCAA TV SCHEDULE (SUNDAY 3RD) ?????
Just curious if the NCAA's are supposed to be shown today (June 3rd) as shown below? My tv schedule shows an hour long golf special, and then four hours more of golf (Memorial Tourney) on CBS. JOY! Paul Nisius Bigfork, MN Note: forwarded message attached. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From the USATF website - MJR ___ 2001 Elite U.S. TV Schedule All times Eastern unless otherwise noted. Check back soon for more events! Broadcast Date TimeNetwork Broadcast June 3 4:30-6:00 pm ESPN Princeton Invitational * June 3 2:00-4:00 pm CBS NCAA Outdoor Championships June 1012:30-2:00 am ESPN2 adidas Oregon Track Classic * June 105:00-6:00pm CBS U.S. Open * June 105:30 am ESPNSaucony Running Racing June 243:00-4:00 pm CBS 5:00-7:00 pm ESPN2 GMC Envoy Outdoor Championships June 307:00-8:00 pm ESPNGolden Gala July 6 9:00-10:00 pm ESPNMeeting Gaz de France July 13 7:30-8:30 pm ESPN2 Exxon Mobil Bislett Games July 20 7:30-8:30 pm ESPN2 Herculis Monaco Aug 4 4:00-6:00 pm ABC World Track Field Championships Aug 5 2:30-6:00 pm ABC World Track Field Championships Aug 7 9:00-10:00 pm ESPNWorld Track Field Championships Aug 11 4:00-6:00 pm ABC World Track Field Championships Aug 12 4:00-6:00 pm ABC World Track Field Championships Aug 18 1:00-2:00 am ESPN2 Weltklasse Zurich Aug 25 3:30-4:30 pm ESPN Memorial Van Damme Sept 1 12:00-1:00 am ESPN2 ISTAF 01 Sept 4 5:00-11:00 am 9:00 pm - 1:00 am TNT Goodwill Games Sept 5 5:00-11:00 am 8:00-11:00 pm TNT Goodwill Games Sept 6 5:00-11:00 am 8:00-11:00 pm TNT Goodwill Games Sept 7 5:00-11:00 am 9:00 pm - 2:00 am TNT Goodwill Games Sept 10 12:00-1:00 am ESPN2 IAAF Grand Prix Final * Golden Spike Tour event
t-and-f: Movie Alert
Netters: This is for any movie (and track) fans out there. Today at 2 p.m. (I realize the notice is short, but just learned of the scheduling myself), the Bravo Channel is showing Black orpheaus, a film set in the Rio carnival period circa 1960 or so. The attraction for track fans (it's a good movie by itself, with some splendid mucis by the Brazilian composer Antonio Carlos Jobim) is the presence in the cast as Death os two-time Olympic TJ champ Adehmar Ferreira da Silva. Da Silva, who died this past year, is masked through most of the film and has just one word of dialogue at the end when he unmasks. But his grace of movement is worth watching and, now that we have lost him, worth seeing again. Ed Grant
Re: t-and-f: NCAA TV SCHEDULE (SUNDAY 3RD) ?????
The NCAA meet airs next week (June 10) Walt Murphy
t-and-f: s'bin fun
my final analysis of the NCAA posted shortly at www.trackanfieldnews.com and as i exit Eugene, i once again depart from the list. gh (now a lurker)
t-and-f: NJ Group meet
Netters: The New Jersey HS group hampionships were held over the weekend in, to say the least, indifferent conditons The Friday session at Egg Harbor Twp was marked by periods of rain, wind and very chilly temperatures---about 40 degrees below last year when we sweltered in 95+ humid weather. Saturday was a bit better, I wqs told (I was 100 miles north in Plainfield at the Parochial meet) and there was still some rain and little sun (which we got abundatnly in the afternoon. Despite this, there were some very good performances. Staring with erin Donohue of Haddonfield, who closed out her career in this meet with another quaf, meading that of 16 titles available to her in four years, she won 15, losing only the JT as a frosh. She also set three group records with a 2:11.82 ourdoor PR in the 800, a 4:54.42 in the 1600 and a 10:34.12 in the 3200. She had been hoping for a sub-10:20 in the latter but the race was run in some of the heaviest of Friday's rain. Her JT was 134-10 on Friday, again during the rain in an event contested in the late evening. Glenn DiGiorgio of Bayonne also had a ggreat weekend. On Friday, in the rain, he hit a PR of 66-1 3/4, the 2nd best junior mark (to brother Kevion) in state history. On Saturday, he became NJ's 2nd best DTer (after pro footballer Ron Dayne) with a toss of 203-9, a junior state class record and about six feet off the national 16-year old record. Todd Lowber of Delran, cleared 7-0 in the HJ and also doubled the Gr. II sprints in 10.93 (in heavy rain) and 22.16. It was the first such triple in state histor, though Aubrey Lewis tripld the sprints and DT in Gr. IV back in '53 and Milt Campbell would certainly have matched it exactly a year earlier had he chosen the sprints over the hurdles. (There ws also a 6-10 HJ for Willingboro soph Mike Morrison) Robby Smith of Hopatcong, who had recently tossed the javelin 223-10, showed that was no fluke when he won Gr. II at 219-5. Two-time National indoor 2M champ Brian Boyett of Parsippany Hills doubled in Gr. III in 4:17.35 and 9:18.96. getting a good argument in both races, in the 3200 from Matt Van Antwerp of Jefferson Twp and in the 1600 from ocean City soph John Richardson and his own frosh teammate Jeremy Zagorski, who ran 4:19.10. Fastest 1600 of the meet was by Ty Jensen of Marlrboro at 4:16.62 in Gr. IV. The 400s on Freiday were slowed by heavy rain with Ray Williams of Scotch Plains hitting only 48.32 as he defeated the Camden pair of Jade Smith and John Morris. Camden suffered another defeat in the Gr. III 1600, this time at the hands of Edgewood, when Dwight Ruff was again absent tripling in individual events with a 13.79/51.58MR hurdles double and a 3rd in the 200, heloing Camden to top Willingboro, 69-53 1/2. The team will be together again at Wednesday's AG meet. Danny Johnson of Rahway twice defeated Jamar Ervin of Camden in a major sprint matchup, running 10.40 in heavy rain on Friday and 21.27 on Saturday (only Dennis Mitchell has a faster AT in NJ at 21.06. The third top NJ sprinter, Maxwell Booker, easily doubled at the Parochial B meet in 11.09 and 22.24. The girls' 400H continued to be snakebit as Danielle Myricks of Willingboro was d/qed after apparently winning easuily in around 1:01. TYhe call was that her trail leg went around the hurdles, but there was some question about it since it supposedly happened with the hurdles in a tight ro on the homestretch where the worse she could have done was cleared a bit of the hurdle next to her. An appeal, however, was denied. Tawana Watkins of Paterson Kennedy, the 400H AG defender, already out of the event for missing a hurdle completely in the sectionals, defended her Gr. III 400 title against a challenge from Amber Williams---indoor national pentathlon champ--in 55.65, again in heavy rain. Williams took the 100H the next day in 14.08. A new sprint star emerged in Gr. III girls as Shakeema Martin of Lakewood tripled the 100, 200 and 400 in 12.20, 24.58 and 56.65 with only the 200 in decent conditions. Martin is a basketball player who runs only outdoor track. Myricks had a very poor race here, managing to qualify, but will not be in the to-seeded race with Martin (if she runs the 400), Watkins and Williams in the AG meet. Another new face was frosh Lauren Lewis of Soiuthrn Ocean, who upset defender Shabazz Kelly of Treton in the 800 in 2:13.91. The Trotter twins had a banner weekend to lead Red Bank to its first gr,. III title, going 1-2 in reverse order in the 800 (Katie, then Amanda) and 1600 (Amanda then Katie) with Amanda having a 10:52.47 3200 win in Friday's rain. A distance trio propelled Glen Rock to the Gr. I title, Erin Henry and Danielle Patoir going 1-2 in the 1600 and 3200 and Henry trailing Kim Mineo (who was also 2nd in both 400s) in the 800. Like the Trotters, all three retuin next year, leaving little hope for the opposition. Highlight of
t-and-f: auto-timing
Netters: The first time I recall auto-timing becoming a matter of public discussion followed Frank Budd's WR 9.2 at the AAU championships in NYC (either 1961 or 1962),. That race was auto-timed by the Bulova system and Jesse Abramson, among others, reported that it was clocked that way a 9.36. I called the Bulova pR fellow a day or so later anbd got an explanation of the difference which made sense---the AT being set off by the impulse of the gun trigger which precded the explosion heard by the runners. When our conference was running the Easterns at Jadwin Gym, the head timer, the late, very-much-missed John Courtney, would hand me his book of hand times after the meet. I was able to compare these with the aut-times and found that the difference averaged no more than one-tenth of a second or so. The problem in comparing present ATs to the old HTs, of course, is that you didn';t always have that good hand-timing. But remember that. until TF News came along to lead the emphasis on statistics, PRs and the like, only the first place person in each event was timed so there was a better chance, at elast at major meets, that the timing was quite accurate to the tenth. (Recall too that, at one time, foir the longer races, times odd tenths were moved to the nearest even one. Once we began to time everyone, things began tio fall apart, at least in the short races where the tenths mean so much. Timers would be asked to take two runners, 1st and 4th, 2nd and 5th, etc. Not too bad in longer races with greater intervals usual between the finishers, but a disaster for accurate timing of sprints with five of six people coming across the line together. Impossible for anyone to have th reflexes to give his second person a proper time. Ed Grant
Re: t-and-f: NJ Group meet
The public school meet did not get by without some more official idiocy. This time, it was the disqualification of a 3200M girl runner for "showing her navel" The rules required shirts to be tucked in and hers was at the start of the race but pulled loose during the competition. Thanks to Ed Grant as usual for a great summary of the NJ meet. It's too bad such a great competition has to be marred by things like the issue above. New Jersey certainly isn't alone in this stupidity and we've been talking about this issue forthe pastcouple weeks. I'm reminded of a quote made by a co-worker of mine at a long since defunct internet start-up: "It's not that we shoot ourselves in the foot that bothers me - it's how quickly we reload!" - Ed Parrot
t-and-f: UTEP @ NCAA's
5/30/01 Jäppenin Takes Second In Javelin; Miners Send Four To Finals At NCAA Championships http://athletics.utep.edu/news/archive/053001tf1.htm 5/31/01 Vartia Finishes Fourth, Three More Advance In Prelims At NCAA Champs http://athletics.utep.edu/news/archive/053101tf1.htm 6/1/01 Six More Miners Gain All-American Honors At The NCAA Champs http://athletics.utep.edu/news/archive/060101tf1.htm 6/2/01 Miners Finish Seventh At NCAA Championships http://athletics.utep.edu/news/archive/060201tf1.htm ENDS == Maude Flanders - She taught us the shame of joy and the joy of shame. _ Visit i-run.com and register for a $75 Road Runner Sports Gift Certificate - Monthly Drawing
Re: t-and-f: s'bin fun
my final analysis of the NCAA posted shortly at www.trackanfieldnews.com and as i exit Eugene, i once again depart from the list. gh (now a lurker) Cheers! Drop in again, sometime. Maybe for the U.S. nationals and the world championships? The list could use your background info. And bring Graham Thomas along for the worlds. We could use his sprint data.
Re: t-and-f: Nostradomalmo predicts
Who'll be back first, GH or D-W-I-G-H-T ? the book in Vegas says both will be back within 90 days. RT On Sun, 3 Jun 2001 16:38:43 -0400, Malmo wrote: He'll be back within 10 days. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 1:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: s'bin fun my final analysis of the NCAA posted shortly at www.trackanfieldnews.com and as i exit Eugene, i once again depart from the list. gh (now a lurker
RE: t-and-f: Nostradomalmo predicts
Better see what the Aggies book has 'em. 19th street Café, Gaming Center and Bacchanal. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Randy Treadway Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 4:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Nostradomalmo predicts Who'll be back first, GH or D-W-I-G-H-T ? the book in Vegas says both will be back within 90 days. RT On Sun, 3 Jun 2001 16:38:43 -0400, Malmo wrote: He'll be back within 10 days. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 1:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: s'bin fun my final analysis of the NCAA posted shortly at www.trackanfieldnews.com and as i exit Eugene, i once again depart from the list. gh (now a lurker
t-and-f: Fake Plastic Trees (apologies to Radiohead)
Fake Plastic Trees A black plastic nursery-stock pot For a fake western cedar tree On a fake plastic track That she bought from a running doc In a town full of track fanatics To get ready for the worlds It wears her out, it wears her out It wears her out, it wears her out She lives with a steroid man A cracked poly-syringe man Who just crumbles and burns He used to do surgery On girls in the eighties But EPO always wins And it wears him out, it wears him out It wears him out, it wears him out He throws like the real thing She runs like the real thing My fake plastic love But I can't help the feeling I could jump through the ceiling If I just turn and run And it wears me out, it wears me out It wears me out, it wears me out And if I could be who you wanted If I could be who you wanted All the time, all the time
t-and-f: Calif St HS Meet 2 Nat'l Rec's - Ryan Hall 4:02 1600
Great action at the Calif St HS Meet in Sacto 6/1 and 6/2 Two National Records (Girls PV Girls 4x400) Ryan Hall 4:02 1600 Results, Stories, Pictures at: A HREF=http://www.prep.caltrack.com/;Click here: Prep.Caltrack St Meet Coverage/A Doug Speck
RE: t-and-f: Thoughts on the five alive
Ed Gordon makes some greats points in his recent post. As an announcer, I find his final statement (The ones most confused by this procedure are the fans and the stadium announcer) to be 'oh so accurate'! He is right on. Why? First, five alive is NOT handled the same by all officials. Below, Ed states that five alive means that a jumper is going to wait 4 jumps until they jump again. Very fair, since that would evenly space their attempts. However, I will mention that even Shawn's example does not follow this. Jumper B waited only three jumps before jumping again! You have 26 athletes entered named A-Z. (o=clear, x=miss). First five jump at Bar 1. A - o B - x C - o D - x E - x Next round, same height: B - o (clear on 2nd) D - x (2nd miss) E - o (clear on 2nd) F - o (first attempt) G - x (first attempt) 3rd round D - x (3rd miss, out of competition) G - o (clear on 2nd) H - o (first attempt) I - x (first attempt) J - o (first attempt) Second, it takes someone watching EVERY jump to track it correctly...that takes man/womanpower that many meets just don't have. I love the vault...I appreciate the intentions of 'five alive'...I just need an electronic board tracking the event straight from the official at the pit to present it correctly every time!!! Bob The Dreamer Bettwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Director - Program Control Washington Group SRS Technologies (703) 351-7266 P.S. My apologies if this is not timely, I am through Digest #3651. -Original Message- Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 04:34:33 -0400 From: Ed Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Thoughts on the five alive The philosophy of the five alive procedure used in overly large vertical jump competitions is that a long period of inactivity between jumps is detrimental to the athlete. This format ensures that after a miss, an athlete will have exactly four attempts by other competitors before s/he takes another jump. The problem with this method is that the very weather conditions which would make a long cool-down between attempts most problematic are often those which make this a most unfair method. Under changing weather conditions--a passing rainstorm, for instance--the group of jumpers at the top of the list could be forced into taking all three jumps with a bad headwind. But an hour later, after the storm has passed and the wind has shifted, the jumpers at the end of the order have a substantial tailwind for some or all of their attempts. That's why I am loathe to use this method unless it is forced by a decision of the Rules Committee. The highest priority should be to provide for equitable conditions for all jumpers--even if it includes a long wait between jumps. If ALL jumpers have to wait, then it's equitable. It's not difficult for an official to keep track of the jumping order under this method, however. But it does take a little organization. One way is to keep a separate pad of ruled paper handy. The first five jumpers are written in a vertical list. If the first jumper misses, his/her name is written again below the name of the fifth vaulter. If the first jumper clears, the name of the sixth jumper is written, etc. The main thing to remember is that when a jumper misses, s/he will wait for exactly four other competitors to jump before taking his/her next jump. When I run vault competitions, I call the names of the next four jumpers after each attempt, mentioning the position after each name. (Smith is the next jumper, Jones second, Harris third, Schultz fourth) By doing this, I have found that jumpers are actually on the runway ready to jump almost before the bar has been reset. When a jumper clears, I check for the name of the jumper who moves into the rotation, and I make a special announcement, Jameson, you are now in the rotation. This gets the inactive jumpers off their duffs well in advance of their first attempt. I'm sure I'm not the only one to use this or a similar method. The ones most confused by this procedure are the fans and the stadium announcer.
t-and-f: Czech TF Marketing efforts ?
Hi All, So here's an interesting marketing angle from the Czech Athletics Federation.. Go to http://www.olt.cz/atletika/atletika800/welcome.htm and check out their front page logo... I know very little Czech, so I have no idea what the logo refers to... -| Bob Ramsak| TRACK PROFILE News Service| *Images, Features and Coverage of Track Field, Road Racing and Olympic Sport| Cleveland, Ohio USA| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| http://www.trackprofile.com|| Sign up for your FREE subscription to the TRACK PROFILE READER| at http://www.trackprofile.com/newsletter.html---
Re: t-and-f: NCAA indicator boards
Can you imagine going to any baseball game, from your local Little League to Yankee Stadium, and having the scoreboard displays balls, strikes, outs, hits errors, but not runs? That's kind of the situation that exists in track. I for one was stunningly impressed by the FinishLynx scoreboards at Penn Relays this year. The closest thing to instaneous results I've seen. The winners were posted before the last runners had crossed the line. Jim Gerweck Running Times
t-and-f: results : 2001 adidas Oregon Track Classic
2001 adidas Oregon Track Classic Gresham Oregon 06/03/01 Final WOMEN'S 200 METER DASH VERIZON 1. LaTasha Jenkins, USA 22.40 w:2.9; 2. Merlene Frazier, Jamaica 23.45 w:2.9; 3. Fali Ogunkoya, Nigeria 23.48 w:2.9; 4. Astia Walker, Jamaica 23.66 w:2.9;5. Fatima Yusuf, Nigeria 24.05 w:2.9. Final WOMEN'S 400 METER DASH PONTIAC 1. Kaltourma Nadjina, Chad 50.75; 2. Suziann Reid, USA 51.05; 3. LaTasha Colander-Richar, USA 51.09; 4. Monique Hennagan, USA 51.32; 5. Nova Peris, Australia 52.21; 6. Ladonna Antoine, Canada 53.04; 7. Catherine Scott, Jamaica 53.12; 8. Kim Graham, USA 54.03. Final WOMEN'S 800 METER RUN AK AIR1. Tina Paulino, Mozambique 1:59.15; 2. Letitia Vriesde, Suriname 1:59.39; 3. Charmaine Howell, Jamaica 1:59.61; 4. Diane Cummins, Canada 1:59.65; 5. Mardrea Hyman, Jamaica 2:00.19; 6. Svetlana Badrankova, Kazakhstan 2:00.91; 7. Shayne Culpepper, USA 2:02.18; 8. Jen Toomey, USA 2:02.33; 9. Julie Henner, USA 2:05.99; 10. Claudine Williams, Jamaica 2:07.77; - Regina Jacobs, USA DNF. Final WOMEN'S 3,000 METER RUN WB 32 1. Meseret Defar, Ethiopia 8:52.47; 2. Lyuda Vasilyeva, Russia 8:52.98; 3. Cheri Kenah, USA 8:53.70; 4. Amy Rudolph, USA 8:54.07; 5. Jen Rhines, USA 8:55.28; 6. Una English, Ireland 8:55.82; 7. Carrie Tollefson, USA 8:57.61; 8. Eyeruslam Kuma, Ethiopia 9:04.04; 9. Ejagayou Dibaba, Ethiopia 9:04.86; 10. Kim Fitchen, USA 9:04.95; 11. Jenny Crain, USA 9:12.83; 12. Katie McGregor, USA 9:20.57; - Gina Procaccio, USA DNF. Final WOMEN'S 100 METER HURDLES ADIDAS1. Jenny Adams, USA 12.78 w:2.1; 2. Dionne Rose, Jamaica 12.91 w:2.1; 3. Damu Cherry, USA 13.15 w:2.1; 4. Sharon Couch, USA 13.39 w:2.1; - Vonette Dixon, Jamaica DNF w:NWI; - Michelle Freeman, Jamaica DNF w:NWI; - Brigitte Foster, Jamaica DNF w:NWI. Final WOMEN'S POLE VAULT VISA ***chart*** event used IAAF 2 miss rule (GP II test) 1. Stacy Dragila, USA 4.51m (14-09.50); 2. Kellie Suttle, USA 4.41m (14-05.50); 3. Mary Sauer, USA 4.31m (14-01.75); 4. Mel Mueller, USA 4.21m (13-09.75); 5. Vala Flosadottir, Iceland 4.11m (13-05.75); 5. Nastja Rysich, Germany 4.11m (13-05.75); 7. Becky Holliday, USA 3.91m (12-10); - Alicia Warlick, USA NH. Final WOMEN'S HAMMER THROW SOBE ***Chart*** event used IAAF 4 attempt rule (GP II test) 1. Lisa Misipeka, American Samoa 64.84m (212-09); 2. Bronwyn Eagles, Australia 64.26m (210-10); 3. Dawn Ellerbe, USA 63.58m (208-07); 4. Anna Norgren, USA 63.06m (206-11); 5. Karyne DiMarco, Australia 61.94m (203-02). Final MEN'S 200 METER DASH VERIZON1. Shawn Crawford, USA 20.40 w:1.7; 2. Chris Williams, Jamaica 20.50 w:1.7; 3.J.J. Johnson, USA 20.59 w:1.7; 4. Kevin Little, USA 20.60 w:1.7; 5. Aziz Zakari, Ghana 20.71 w:1.7; 6. Jerome Young, USA 20.81 w:1.7; 7. Rohshaan Griffin, USA 21.14 w:1.7. Final MEN'S 400 METER DASH ADIDAS 1. Mike McDonald, Jamaica 44.85; 2. Antonio Pettigrew, USA 45.05; 3. Tyree Washington, USA 45.10; 4. Sanderlei Parrela, Brazil 45.40; 5. Danny McFarlane, Jamaica 45.74; 6. Michael Blackwood, Jamaica 45.75; 7. Paul Lewis, USA 46.60; 8. Daniel Batman, Australia 46.63. Final MEN'S 800 METER RUN GMCENVOY1. Khadevis Robinson, USA 1:46.04; 2. Derrick Peterson, USA 1:46.44; 3. Anthony Kabara, Kenya 1:46.50; 4. David Krummenacker, USA 1:46.61; 5. Daniel Caufield, Ireland 1:46.80; 6. David Kiptoo, Kenya 1:47.20; 7. Zack Whitmarsh, Canada 1:47.80; 8. Trinity Townsend, USA 1:48.93; 9. Nicholas Wachira, Kenya 1:49.10; - Ryan Cheney, USA DNF. Final MEN'S 1 MILE RUN ADIDAS 1. Leonard Mucheru, Kenya 3:53.60; 2. Adam Goucher, USA 3:55.47; 3. Edward Maranga, Kenya 3:55.80; 4. Andy Downin, USA 3:56.25; 5. Hudson De Souza, Brazil 3:56.56; 6. James Karanu, Kenya 3:56.72; 7. Ibrahim Aden, Somalia 3:56.95; 8. Daniel Zegeye, Ethiopia 3:57.40; 9. Martin Keino, Kenya 3:57.89; 10. Charlie Gruber, USA 3:58.47; 11. Jason Lunn, USA 4:01.53; 12. Matt Holthaus, USA 4:04.08; - Ryan Cheney, USA DNF; - Andrew Walker, Ireland DNF. Final MEN'S 3,000 METER RUN VISA 1. Luke Kipkosgei, Kenya 7:48.50; 2. Daniel Gachera, Kenya 7:49.13; 3. Alan Culpepper, USA 7:49.25; 4. Mohammed Amyn, Morocco 7:49.26; 5. Tekeste Kebede, Ethiopia 7:53.75; 6. Phil Price, USA 7:57.99; 7. Greg Jimmerson, USA 8:00.62; 8. Luke Watson, USA 8:02.74; 9. Matt Downin, USA 8:02.86; 10. Birhanu Adane,Ethiopia 8:03.44; 11. Brian Baker, USA 8:04.99; 12. Nigel Adkin, Australia 8:24.97; 13. Dejene Berhanu, Ethiopia 8:32.29. Final MEN'S 110 METER HURDLES GMCENVOY1. Dawane Wallace, USA 13.44 w:2.2; 2. Terrance Trammell, USA 13.45 w:2.2; 3. Allen Johnson, USA 13.47 w:2.2; 4. Terry Reese, USA
t-and-f: Results; Kalamata, Greece
2 June 2001 Kalamata, Greece from iaaf.org Results: Men 100 m. Race 1. (+2.8 m/s). 10. 14. Dwain Chambers (GBR); 10. 25. Aris Gavelas (GRE); 10.37. Tommi Hartonen (FIN); 10. 43. Constantin Rurak (UKR); 10. 80. AlexandrosTerzian (GRE); 18. 60. Gennadiy Chernovol (KZK) 200 m. Race 1. (+0.1 m/s) 20. 80. Tommi Hartonen (FIN); 20. 89. Mark Devonish (GBR); 21.13. Alexios Alexopoulos (GRE); 21. 48. Georgios Panagiotopoulos Race 2. (+0.4 m/s) 20. 87. Panayotis Sarris (GRE); 21. 22. Thomas Sbokos; 21. 43.Kari Louramo (FIN); 21.48 400 m. Race 1. 46.23. Markus La Grange (RSA); 46.47. Evgeni Ziukov (UKR); 46.62. Anastassios Goussis; 47.51. Georgios Doupis (GRE); 47.83. Francis Ogola (UGA) Race 2. 47.24. Georgios Economidis (GRE); 47.82. Platon Gavelas (GRE); 47.95.Ioannis Lessis (GRE); 47.97. Stavros Vathystas (GRE). 800 m. 1:49.12. Sotirios Papadeas (GRE) National Juniors Record; 1:49.57. Pavlos Farougias (GRE); 1:50.11. Constantinos Chatzimarkos (CYP); 1:50.22.Andreas Georgiou (GRE);1:51.66. Panayotis Velissaropoulos (GRE) 1500 m. 3:37.10. Ivan Geshko (UKR); 3 :38.12. Julius Achon (UGA); 3:38.57. Benson Coech (KEN); 3:42.50. Ali Hakimi (TUN); 3:51.06. Economou (GRE); 3:51.78. Balazs Toglyesi (HUN); 3:53.42 High Jump. 2.32 m. Andrey Sokolovskiy (UKR); 2.32 m. Jaroslav Rybakov (RUS);2.30 m. Sergey Dymchenko (UKR); 2.27 m. Jan Janku (CZE); 2.15 m. Dimitrios Syrakos (GRE) Long Jump. 8.00 m. (+2.3 m/s) Roman Schurenko (UKR); 7.96 m. Vitaly Schurlatov (RUS); 7.96 m. Danila Burkenya (RUS); 7.86 m. Nathan Morgan (GBR); 7.69 m. Luis Tsatoumas (GRE) pb; Javelin Throw. 86.45 m. Constantinos Gatsioudis (GRE); 72.97 m. Alexander Ivanov (RUS); 71.37 m. Yuriy Rubin (RUS) WOMEN 100 m. Race 1. (+1.8 m/s) 11.31. Eufrosyni Patsou (GRE) pb; 11.34. Marina Tradenkova (RUS); 11.37. Irina Pukha (UKR); 11.39. Natalya Safronnikova (BLR); 11.49. Aksel Gurkan (TUR); 11.50. Georgia Kokloni pb Race 2. (-0.50 m.s) 11.23. Marina Kislova (RUS); 11.51. Frederique Banque (FRA);11.73. Heidi Hannula (FIN 1.500 m. 4:01.68. Daniela Yordanova (BUL) WL; 4:05.63. Natalya Gorelova (RUS);4:08.30. Olga Komiagina (RUS); 4:09.80. Svetlana Kanatova (RUS 100 m. hurdles. (+0.3 m/s) 12. 90. Svetlana Dimitrova (BUL); 13.23. Natalya Shekhodanova (RUS); 13.27. Patricia Girard (FRA); 13.45. Stoyannova (BUL); 13.49. Svetlana Gendzilov (ISR); 13.54. Flora Redoumi (GRE) 400 m. hurdles.57.30. Ana Knoroz (RUS); 57.79. Natalya Torshina (KZK); 59.68. Christina Chatzi (GRE); 60.95. Eleni Chatzi (GRE) Long Jump. 6. 95 m. Tatyana Kotova (RUS); 6. 75 m. Errica Johansson (SWE); 6.61 m. Yelena Shekhovtsova (UKR); 6. 50 m. Christina Athanassiou (GRE); 6. 38 m. Niki Xanthou (GRE) - injured on 4th attempt Triple Jump. Results: 14. 52 m. Tereza Marinova (BUL); 14.20 m. Oksana Rogova(RUS); 14.11 m. Olena Govorova (UKR); 14.00 m. (+1.1 m/s) Chryssopigi Devetzi(GRE); 13.63 m. Olga Yershova (RUS); 13.14m. Yannoula Kafetzi (GRE) High Jump. 2.04 m. WL Venelina Veneva (BUL); 1.94 m. Irina Mikhalchenko (UKR).1.92 m. Ina Gliznuta (MOL); 1.92 m. Tatyana Nikolayeva (UKR); 1.92 m. Viktoria Styopina (UKR) Javelin Throw. 57.58 m. Christina Georgieva (BUL); 57.51 m. Angeliki Tsiolakoudi (GRE) Kebba Tolbert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) = Men's and Women's Jumps Multis Coach Syracuse University Track Field _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
t-and-f: Drafting
Somebody wrote, about Webb: If the record is so good that it needs elite-level drafting, Nobody drafted Webb. He was too far back for a long time and then he went past world-class men so fast that the only draft was what they felt as he whipped by.
t-and-f: Dutch
It would seem that all of the greatest Dutch athletes are women. Perhaps Jon Entine has an answer.
Re: t-and-f: results : 2001 adidas Oregon Track Classic
2001 adidas Oregon Track Classic Gresham Oregon 06/03/01 Final MEN'S 3,000 METER STEEPLECHASE HORIZON 1. El Arbi Khattabi, Morocco 8:12.95; 2. Stephen Cherono, Kenya 8:22.98; 3. Anthony Famiglietti, USA 8:23.20; 4. Tim Broe, USA 8:26.56; 5. Tom Chorny, USA 8:27.40; 6. Joel Bourgeois, Canada 8:28.90; 7. Robert Gary, USA 8:34.87; 8. Salvador Mirandi, Mexico 8:35.21; 9. Tony Cosey, USA 8:38.95; 10. Cormac Smith, Ireland 8:42.43; 11. Darin Shearer, USA 8:46.13; 12. Rick Mestler, USA 8:48.39; - Raymond Yator, Kenya DQ. ^^^ Okay, so let's see- how many ways are there to get DQ'd in a steeplechase... (Malmo? chime in...) The LIST's Top-Ten Reasons List 10. Ran around a hurdle 9. Went under a hurdle 8. Trail leg around a hurdle 7. Kung-Fu'd the hurdle into a pile of splinters 6. Jump to side of water pit instead of through or over 5. Intentionally pulled plug on water pit on Lap #1 4. Break competitor's rib with your elbow (only enforced by IAAF when the fracture is compound) 3. Fail the doping test (not known until weeks later) 2. Fail the gender test (nobody WANTS to know) And Today's #1 answer... 1. Exceeding the IAAF GP-II special experimental rule maximum of two attempts to get over a hurdle RT
t-and-f: Webb
I wasn't going to say anything, because anything starts arguments here, but since Garry has put me on the spot with this: pps--maybe Cordner Nelson will be able to log on later while in Eugene and provide some insight from the point of view of somebody who has seen it all, but he did say he put Webb as the No. 2 prep he has ever seen, right behind Ryun) maybe I'd better explain. First, I went nuts about Webb, like almost everybody else at Hayward Field. It was one of the most impressive runs I've ever seen. My crack about Webb being the second best high school miler I'd ever seen was partly a wisecrack, but it has some truth in it. Consider a few facts: 1. Webb ran on a faster track. 2. Ryun ran more than a second faster for his last lap. 3. Ryun made the Olympic team as a high school junior. 4. Ryun's 3:55.3 beat Peter Snell for the AAU championship. 5. Ryun ran many world-class times in two high school years. On the other hand, Webb is only beginning. He has every chance to run many more fast races, even some this year. He may well have a better career than Ryun if he can remain healthier than did Ryun. He will have a fine coach in Ron Warhurst and he will have Kevin Sullivan for a training partner. There is a good possibility that he will run so well as to make us almost forget about his great run at Eugene. Almost. Cordner Nelson
t-and-f: Lewis ready to call the shots again
The Electronic Telegraph Monday 4 June 2001 Tom Knight IN THE moments after Denise Lewis and Katharine Merry opened their seasons with appearances for their club in a British League match in Birmingham, the contrast between the two could not have been greater. Competing for Birchfield Harriers, the pair enjoyed admirable if unspectacular starts to a summer which will reach its climax at the World Championships in Edmonton, Canada, in August. Lewis finished second in the 100 metres hurdles and shot put, and Merry completed her first lap of the campaign by anchoring the club's 4 x 400m relay team to victory. The setting, inside an Alexander Stadium echoing to the sporadic applause of barely 200 people, was a far cry from the last time they competed outdoors, at the Olympics. But their demeanours afterwards said everything about the effect Sydney had and was still having on their respective careers. Lewis, the Olympic heptathlon champion, must raise herself for another major championship having already achieved the ultimate prize. Merry, meanwhile, who won bronze behind Australia's Cathy Freeman in the 400m, is still hungry for a global title of any sort. Lewis faced the media dressed in her sponsor's latest line in fashionable track wear, sunglasses perched atop a rust-dyed spiky hairdo, reminiscent of David Bowie's first Ziggy incarnation, circa 1972. This was the sport's biggest female icon facing new goals and fresh problems. As is customary at this stage of the year, she talked of her race against time to get fit, a problem exacerbated by her delay in getting back into training after Sydney. There were Achilles and foot injuries to heal and the demands of the celebrity circuit to deal with. Her time away from the training track included a cameo role, as herself, in a still-to-be-seen TV thriller called The Green-Eyed Monster. There are only eight weeks until she arrives in Edmonton, where her rivals, particularly France's Eunice Barber, will be eager to deprive her of gold. Lewis's injuries meant she missed crucial ground work and she has, so far, avoided high-jumping. She also described her 200m as iffy. There will be no green-eyed monsters in Canada, just highly motivated athletes who demonstrated impressive form a week ago in the multi-events meeting in Gotzis, Austria. Barber, particularly, looked close to her best after a winter's training in the United States with Bob Kersee, the husband and coach to two-times Olympic champion Jackie Joyner-Kersee. Lewis said: I'm happy to be competing again after such a long lay-off. This has blown away the cobwebs. I can breathe a sigh of relief and get the momentum going. Being Olympic champion is the be-all and end-all of anyone's competitive life but there are still things to do. I think I am still hungry. My discipline and motivation are as good as they have ever been. Merry, meanwhile, did not even have to make the point. Her training hardly missed a beat after Sydney. Fresh from her second consecutive injury-free winter in which she broke the British record indoors, the 26-year-old is happy to face her biggest rivals in races in Milan, Athens and Nuremberg over the next fortnight. She said: I was ecstatic with my bronze medal in Sydney because I'd done all I could but the athlete in me was still disappointed it wasn't silver or gold. I believe I can run very fast and I don't feel threatened by anyone. I believe I can win the world title but so, probably, do nine or 10 other women. Two of Britain's sprinters continued their successful starts to the summer. Mark Lewis-Francis, a Birchfield team-mate of Lewis and Merry, won the 100m in Birmingham in 10.28sec while Dwain Chambers clocked 10.14sec to triumph at a meeting in Greece. Decathlete Dean Macey competed in four events to help his club, Harrow, win the British League Second Division match at Watford. Macey clocked 11.1sec for fourth in the 100m, finished sixth in the shot with 14.52m, third in the discus with 47.41m and ran the second leg in the 4 x 400m. Jonathan Edwards opted for a low-key start at the AAI Games in Bangor, Northern Ireland, where the Olympic champion won the triple jump with a wind-assisted 17.53m. Like Merry, he will compete in Milan on Wednesday. Eamonn Condon www.RunnersGoal.com
t-and-f: Pre Videocassette Wanted
Returning home from 6 days of t-and-f in Oregon over 8 days, I found that my neighborhood experienced an electrical outage on Sun., May 27, and thus my VCR did not successfully videotape the Prefontaine Classic from Fox Sports Net. If anyone would be able to make a copy for me or loan me a tape so I could copy it, it would be greatly appreciated. Of course, I would compensate for tape, postage, etc. If in Seattle area, all the better! Please reply direct. Charley Shaffer Seattle
Re: t-and-f: results : 2001 adidas Oregon Track Classic
Final MEN'S POLE VAULT SOBE event used IAAF 2 miss rule (GP II test) 1. Pat Manson, USA 5.35m (17-06.50); - Lawrence Johnson, USA NH; - Derek Miles, USA NH; - Russ Buller, USA NH; - Tim Mack, USA NH. Any more info on this? Was it windy? What was the opening height. While one would expect the new rule to result in lower heights, this seems a bit ridiculous. Maybe they did it on purpose to ensure that the rule doesn't get adopted (I'm kidding)! - Ed Parrot
Re: t-and-f: Webb
A couple days ago, I finally got to see the mile on TV. Webb's performance was even more incredible in the watching. You hate to put even higher expectations on the kid, but he sure looked under control, like there is more there. I got the impression that he didn't really know what he was capable of until he actually did it. He was so relaxed down the final straightaway it was scary. He may very well lose in a tactical race at USATF nationals (although I certainly wouldn't rule out a victory). But if nationals goes sub 3:35, I'd say look for Webb in the top 3. - Ed Parrot
t-and-f: re: automatic timing in 1 9 5 2
On Sun, 03 Jun 2001 16:28:12 +0300 (IDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Re: t-and-f: Automatic timing in 1 9 5 2 Not in 1952! The hand timing in 1952 was horrible! Look up Bob Sparks' deciphering of ET . the quartet of runners given 10.4 and the two (Sukhraev, treloar) given 10.5 in the 100m final actually ran over 10.70! UG Comment: Right. Well, half right. Almost. 1952 was sloppy typing for 19 thirty 2 when, at Los Angeles, the automatic times that have survived were all no more than 1/10s slower than the official manual times. Which suggests that in those days manual timing was very accurate - unless the Kirby two-eyed camera was faulty. QBTW, the manual timing at the Helsinki Olympics was not as sharp as at Rome and Melbourne. But to say it was horrible is simply untrue. The men's 100m final was so far out that it may well have been due to a fault in the Omega photo-electric timer. Such faults used to occur from time to time in the one first used in NZ. In the 100m preliminaries there were five cases where, as I said, the discrepancy between FAT and manual was not more than 1/10s. In the men's 200m prelims there were eight cases, including heat 9 where three of the four discrepancies were 1/10s and one was NEGATIVE. Whatever the reason, the 100m final was clearly an aberration. Even if it was not, that single case cannot be the basis of a blanket claim that the hand timing in 1952 [or any other Games] was horrible. One might as well conclude from the McVeigh case that Americans are horrible! - that horse's ass, P. N. from New Zealand - M M Rohl
Re: t-and-f: results : 2001 adidas Oregon Track Classic
Ed Dana Parrot wrote Any more info on this? Was it windy? What was the opening height. While one would expect the new rule to result in lower heights, this seems a bit ridiculous. Maybe they did it on purpose to ensure that the rule doesn't get adopted (I'm kidding)! Fairly light wind (wind readings for sprints ranged from 1.5mps to 3.0mps), but was a cross wind from vaulters' left to right. Opening height for men was 5m35 (17-6.5). LoJo attempted to open at 18-10.5 Women opened at 3m91. Mike Scott Vice Chair/Secretary, USATF Cross Country Council Clubs Coordinator, Team USA Distance Running Coordinator, CanAm High Performance Distance Circuit [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://miscott.home.att.net/
