Re: t-and-f: Competing at NATS- was "a huge loss to the sport"
In a message dated 06/28/2001 11:49:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So personal appearances are great, but let's not lose sight of which is the frosting and which is the cake. I do not disagree, but let's not forget that the cake is better with frosting. Right now we are hell bent on selling just the cake. No frosting whatsoever. We sit and cry and complain, but all we are willing to offer is the cake. Plain, white cake, that is sometimes dry. This was an opportunity to add to that cake, spice it up. Instead the bakers chose to push the cake down our throat, and told us to like it. Some of you have given in, and proclaimed it the best cake you have ever had, and will ever need. I am saying that the cake is dry, it is the same as previous cakes, and it is time to start decorating the cake so we can sell to a broader range of folks, and hopefully get more bakers, or at least different flavored cakes. Darrell Faith is a road seldom traveled Let us run with patience the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith" Hebrews 12: 1-2
t-and-f: IAAF: IAAF Golden league opens in Rome - Gebrselassie's 5000m mark under threath
LS I think it will not prove that easy to break a Gebreselassie record, but we'll see. Regards, Wilmar Courtesy IAAF. International Amateur Athletic Federation IAAF GOLDEN LEAGUE OPENS IN ROME - GEBRSELASSIES 5000M MARK UNDER THREAT 26 June 2001 Monte-Carlo - Monaco - Thirty seven Olympic medallists (15 men and 22 women) from last years Sydney Games will take their place among the impressive start list of the Honda Golden Gala, the first stage of the IAAFs 2001 edition of the Golden League, this Friday 29 June, at Romes Olympic Stadium. In terms of quality, all the events will have the level of either a World Championships or Olympic Games. In the mens 100 metres, for example, world number 1 Maurice Greene will face the challenge of recently crowned US National Champion Tim Montgomery as well as Obadele Thompson (BAR), the Olympic bronze medallist. In the 800m race, theWorld Indoor Champion Yuriy Borzakovskiy (RUS) will aim to outrun a number of in-form specialists, including local hero Andrea Longo (ITA). But, for aficionados of the middle distances, the biggest draw is the mens 5000 metres, headed by Olympic champion Million Wolde (ETH). In Sydney, Woldes traditional Kenyan rivals were Julius Gitaho and Richard Limo (9th and 10th respectively). But as he proved at his National Championships recently, Limo is now is excellent shape, winning the 5000m title in 13:17.2 at high altitude Nairobi - equal to a sub-13 minutes performance at sea-level. Limo will race in Rome, as will his countryman Charles Kamathi who was also on form in Nairobi - winning the 10,000 metres in 27:47.33, the fastest ever clocked at altitude. The classy field is completed by Sammy Kipketer, Europes best male distance runner of the moment, the world cross country champion Mohammed Mourhit (BEL), 3000m world record holder Daniel Komen (KEN), Fita Bayessa (ETH) and Aliu Mekonen (ETH). The world record in the 5000m belongs to Haile Gebrselassie - who improved Daniel Komen by 0.38 sec on 13 June 1998 in Helsinki to 12:39.36. Over the years many have laboured to improve this mark beyond what had been considered the limits of human possibilities, but the current generation have scant regard for barriers. And what better setting than the Olympic Stadium - where Said Aouita ran the first sub-13 minutes 5000 metres on 22 July 1987 - for a new frontier to open? ENDS
Re: t-and-f: Competing at NATS- was "a huge loss to the sport"
In a message dated 06/28/2001 2:33:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Subfour359 writes: PLEASE, SPARE ME!! He did what was best for him, another selfish act on behalf of a superstar. Period. End of story. I am sorry you are so closed minded that this is all you have to offer to this discussion. In this case you stick to being a fan. I am tired of fans thinking that sports are some other entity when it comes to the requirements of a job. Or that an athlete is at your beck and call as you see fit. Maurice shared with you what he felt and thought and you have the nerve to sit in judgment of what he said, and call him a liar. Spare me! You want the inside scoop? Those around him suggested everything from not running at all, to jogging down the track, to doing a different event all together. When the day of the race came he was urged to take the medical waiver because of his tendinitis in his knee, which caused him to limp everywhere he went, and had prevented his full participation in workouts for the week. His reply was always the same, he was going to run because he did not want to upset the fans. That is what that man is about. You ask yourself what reason did he have to run 9.90 at that meet? Why would he go after the wr while he was running for free? He wanted to give the fans what the came for, and that he did. We have spent so much time and energy on discussing his lack of participation the next rounds, that no one, and I mean no one has realized what they actually saw. Remember that race was wind legal. But I am sure you feel as though he did that for himself also! Mr. Smith Faith is a road seldom traveled Let us run with patience the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith" Hebrews 12: 1-2
Re: t-and-f: booing Maurice (was a huge loss to the sport
In a message dated 06/28/2001 12:44:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The next night, when announcing the lane draws for the semis, I was unfortunately unable to convince them to pull his name off the scoreboard, but when I did the lane intro, I simply skipped over his lane and didn't even announce it as empty, as I normally would, so as not to draw attention to what was perceived as a detrimental situation. This reminds me of a rule that I have been meaning to question. What was wrong with eliminating Maurice from the semi final, and allowing Floyd Heard to run the semi's? It was clear that Maurice was out without question, so why include him in the lane draw at all? DGS Faith is a road seldom traveled Let us run with patience the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith" Hebrews 12: 1-2
t-and-f: U.S. TV Alert
Rome's Golden Gala, which takes place today, will be shown on ESPN tomorrow (6-30) from 7-8pm(EDT). Most of the other Golden League meets will have same-day coverage. Walt Murphy P.S. Rome entries are on the IAAF's website (www.iaaf.org) under the Grand Prix link. Has anyone seen actual start lists?
RE: t-and-f: Gabe's and Lassiters form?
Greg Fredericks. Looked the same at :48 pace as 1:05 pace. > > << With all this talk on form and efficiency, who out there > are the most > efficient runners that you have all seen? >> > > clearly Frank Shorter > > gh >
t-and-f: Fwd: [Oztrack] US hurdler alleges attack by former coach
In a message dated 6/29/01 8:26:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.usatoday.com/olympics/track/2001-06-28-kirkland.htm Hurdler alleges attack by former coach By Dick Patrick, USA TODAY Anjanette Kirkland, third in the 100-meter hurdles June 24 at the U.S. Championships in Eugene, Ore., could miss August's World Championships because of the emotional impact of a brawl in Eugene. Kirkland is in Tampa nursing what she says are a black eye, a swollen nose and bumps on the head suffered the night the meet ended in a brawl involving high-profile coach John Smith. Says Emmanuel Hudson, Smith's lawyer: "If what AJ and her mother are stating is factual, I would think arrests would have been made. Since this is a potential legal issue, we can't go into details." Kirkland, 27, says she was protecting her mother, Patricia, whom she said was being choked by Smith and suffered a broken ankle. Anjanette also claims Smith decked her sister, Lakisha. Smith, whose runners include 100 world record holder Maurice Greene, told police he threw punches in self-defense. No arrests were made in what police call "an incident of mutual combat" with alcohol involved by all parties and conflicting witness accounts. The district attorney's office is evaluating the reports. Anjanette says the incident has left her "an emotional wreck." She ran for Smith's club, HSI, until being dismissed in January for reasons HSI declines to disclose. http://www.usatoday.com/olympics/track/2001-06-28-kirkland.htm Hurdler alleges attack by former coach By Dick Patrick, USA TODAY Anjanette Kirkland, third in the 100-meter hurdles June 24 at the U.S. Championships in Eugene, Ore., could miss August's World Championships because of the emotional impact of a brawl in Eugene. Kirkland is in Tampa nursing what she says are a black eye, a swollen nose and bumps on the head suffered the night the meet ended in a brawl involving high-profile coach John Smith. Says Emmanuel Hudson, Smith's lawyer: "If what AJ and her mother are stating is factual, I would think arrests would have been made. Since this is a potential legal issue, we can't go into details." Kirkland, 27, says she was protecting her mother, Patricia, whom she said was being choked by Smith and suffered a broken ankle. Anjanette also claims Smith decked her sister, Lakisha. Smith, whose runners include 100 world record holder Maurice Greene, told police he threw punches in self-defense. No arrests were made in what police call "an incident of mutual combat" with alcohol involved by all parties and conflicting witness accounts. The district attorney's office is evaluating the reports. Anjanette says the incident has left her "an emotional wreck." She ran for Smith's club, HSI, until being dismissed in January for reasons HSI declines to disclose. Oztrack is funded by the OZTRACK ATHLETICS BOOKSTORE http://www.oztrack.com/athletics.htm Visit and have a look at the latest books. Visit Star Systems www.starsystems.com.au for Athletics Training Equipment including Swiss Balls, Medicine Balls, Overspeed, Weighted Belts, Resisted speed, Plyometric aids, Stretching aids, Core Training Technology, Training Videos, Books etc. It is an Australian Business. Mention that you are an OZTRACK subscriber to receive a 10% DISCOUNT off the listed prices. Visit the OZTRACK LIST WEBSITE to view the searchable ARCHIVE, bookmarks and more. It is at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/oztrack To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: t-and-f: Gabe's and Lassiters form?
In a message dated 6/29/01 7:52:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Greg Fredericks. Looked the same at :48 pace as 1:05 pace. > > << With all this talk on form and efficiency, who out there > are the most > efficient runners that you have all seen? >> > > clearly Frank Shorter > > gh > The most efficient? no contest -- Sebastian Coe maddog
t-and-f: IAAF Golden league opens in Rome - Gebrselassie's 5000m mark under threat...not
The reason the mark probably won't fall is because the IAAF hyperbole is claiming "Europe's best male distance runner of the moment" will be running the race. Nope. No disrespect to Sammy Kipketer, but the best male distance runner in the world this year ain't running the race: Ali Saidi-Sief.(3:30.78/4:46.88). -Original Message- From: Wilmar Kortleever [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 12:13 AM To: Nederlandse atletiek discussielijst; Canadian track and field mailing list; International track and field mailing list; t-and-f statistics bulletin board; German track and field mailing list; Norwegian track and field mailing list; British track and field mailing list; OZtrack track and field mailing list Subject: [t-and-f_statistics] IAAF: IAAF Golden league opens in Rome - Gebrselassie's 5000m mark under threath LS I think it will not prove that easy to break a Gebreselassie record, but we'll see. Regards, Wilmar Courtesy IAAF. International Amateur Athletic Federation IAAF GOLDEN LEAGUE OPENS IN ROME - GEBRSELASSIE'S 5000M MARK UNDER THREAT 26 June 2001 Monte-Carlo - Monaco - Thirty seven Olympic medallists (15 men and 22 women) from last year's Sydney Games will take their place among the impressive start list of the Honda Golden Gala, the first stage of the IAAF's 2001 edition of the Golden League, this Friday 29 June, at Rome's Olympic Stadium. In terms of quality, all the events will have the level of either a World Championships or Olympic Games. In the men's 100 metres, for example, world number 1 Maurice Greene will face the challenge of recently crowned US National Champion Tim Montgomery as well as Obadele Thompson (BAR), the Olympic bronze medallist. In the 800m race, theWorld Indoor Champion Yuriy Borzakovskiy (RUS) will aim to outrun a number of in-form specialists, including local hero Andrea Longo (ITA). But, for aficionados of the middle distances, the biggest draw is the men's 5000 metres, headed by Olympic champion Million Wolde (ETH). In Sydney, Wolde's traditional Kenyan rivals were Julius Gitaho and Richard Limo (9th and 10th respectively). But as he proved at his National Championships recently, Limo is now is excellent shape, winning the 5000m title in 13:17.2 at high altitude Nairobi - equal to a sub-13 minutes performance at sea-level. Limo will race in Rome, as will his countryman Charles Kamathi who was also on form in Nairobi - winning the 10,000 metres in 27:47.33, the fastest ever clocked at altitude. The classy field is completed by Sammy Kipketer, Europe's best male distance runner of the moment, the world cross country champion Mohammed Mourhit (BEL), 3000m world record holder Daniel Komen (KEN), Fita Bayessa (ETH) and Aliu Mekonen (ETH). The world record in the 5000m belongs to Haile Gebrselassie - who improved Daniel Komen by 0.38 sec on 13 June 1998 in Helsinki to 12:39.36. Over the years many have laboured to improve this mark beyond what had been considered the limits of human possibilities, but the current generation have scant regard for barriers. And what better setting than the Olympic Stadium - where Said Aouita ran the first sub-13 minutes 5000 metres on 22 July 1987 - for a new frontier to open? ENDS Visit my homepage with Track & Field Athletics Statistics. World and Swedish all-time lists, yearbest 1999-2000, results, links http://w1.196.telia.com/~u19603668/athletics_all-time_best.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
t-and-f: startlists for Rome tonight
someone posted if there were startlists available for the Rome Golden Gala meet. The IAAF has them up now: http://www.iaaf.org/GLE01/index.asp?page=/gp01/GLERoma/Results/byevent.html Joel [.sig] AXAF Public Outreach: http://xrtpub.harvard.edu Morceli Home Page: http://www.cs.rochester.edu/u/tetreaul/morceli.html
t-and-f: Anjanette Kirkland alleges attack by John Smith
USA TODAY reports that Anjanette Kirkland is alleging a black eye, a swollen nose and bumps on the head suffered the night the USATF meet ended were from a brawl involving high-profile coach John Smith. Kirkland also says her mother was choked by Smith. Full story at http://www.usatoday.com/olympics/track/2001-06-28-kirkland.htm Marty Post Senior Editor Runner's World Magazine www.runnersworld.com
RE: t-and-f: theoretical match-race amongst young gods
Ritz. Saw him 5-6 times this year and every time I thought it was more impressive than Webb's 8:45yi race. Brian McEwen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 8:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: theoretical match-race amongst young gods so let's suppose that Webb and Ritz and met at either GWI or the Stanford Invite (choice of meet is simply the weekend exactly between the showing of peak form for each, Webb in the Pre mile, Ritz in the USATF 5K). And choosing a distance "exactly" between 1M and 3.107M (5K), they go head-to-head at 2M. Who's the winner? gh
Re: t-and-f: IAAF Golden league opens in Rome - Gebrselassie's 5000m mark und...
I realize tickets need to be sold but why does the sport consistently set itself up for the negative publicity of "failed" record attempts? If the Rome 5000 ends up in a blanket finish in 12:51 it will reported as a negative rather than the race it is supposed to be amongst many of the world's best at the distance. Steve S
Re: t-and-f: startlists for Rome tonight
In a message dated 6/29/01 9:17:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << someone posted if there were startlists available for the Rome Golden Gala meet. The IAAF has them up now: >> Those are only the entry listslane assignments are still missing. Walt Murphy
Re: t-and-f: startlists for Rome tonight
You can also find info regarding Rome tonight at www.goldengala.it regards, Ívar Benediktsson journalist, Morgunbladid, Iceland [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +354 569 1256 mobile: +354 899 4271 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]cc: oregon.edu Subject: Re: t-and-f: startlists for Rome tonight 29.06.2001 14:07 Please respond to WMurphy25 In a message dated 6/29/01 9:17:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << someone posted if there were startlists available for the Rome Golden Gala meet. The IAAF has them up now: >> Those are only the entry listslane assignments are still missing. Walt Murphy
t-and-f: Just a thought
Hello all, On the great athletics mailing service 'Cool Running Webwatch' (http://www.coolrunning.com.au), Doug Fry put these two articles (see below) next to eachother. That suddenly made me wonder about higher olympic politics: Will IOC members vote for an Canadian IOC president AND for a Canadian city to host the 2008 games? Or will they think one (or none...) of the two is enough Canada for one decade? Just a thought, Wilmar Kortleever (who, for personal reasons, favors Canada in all kinds of situations...) Gosper impressed by Beijing's Olympic bid http://www.abc.net.au/news/sport/moreSport/2001/06/item20010628130852_1.htm * Gosper favours Pound for new IOC president http://www.abc.net.au/news/sport/moreSport/2001/06/item20010628173835_1.htm *
RE: t-and-f: Competing at NATS- was "a huge loss to the sport"
<<< Why would he go after the wr while he was running for free? >>> Uhhh ... there are lots of reasons. Some of them, you and perhaps Maurice have lost sight of. I didn't realize that WR's were only personally satisfying when you get a big payday after setting one. Here are a couple reasons to clue you in: 1. To be the World's fastest. 2. To stomp some ass in that particular race ... ... and, let's remember that a WR set without any appearance fees being paid ... is not "running for free" in this case. How much would his sponsor pay for a WR in the 100m anywhere in the world? Now, how much would that WR be worth ... set in Eugene at US Nationals? Brian McEwen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 3:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Competing at NATS- was "a huge loss to the sport" In a message dated 06/28/2001 2:33:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Subfour359 writes: PLEASE, SPARE ME!! He did what was best for him, another selfish act on behalf of a superstar. Period. End of story. I am sorry you are so closed minded that this is all you have to offer to this discussion. In this case you stick to being a fan. I am tired of fans thinking that sports are some other entity when it comes to the requirements of a job. Or that an athlete is at your beck and call as you see fit. Maurice shared with you what he felt and thought and you have the nerve to sit in judgment of what he said, and call him a liar. Spare me! You want the inside scoop? Those around him suggested everything from not running at all, to jogging down the track, to doing a different event all together. When the day of the race came he was urged to take the medical waiver because of his tendinitis in his knee, which caused him to limp everywhere he went, and had prevented his full participation in workouts for the week. His reply was always the same, he was going to run because he did not want to upset the fans. That is what that man is about. You ask yourself what reason did he have to run 9.90 at that meet? Why would he go after the wr while he was running for free? He wanted to give the fans what the came for, and that he did. We have spent so much time and energy on discussing his lack of participation the next rounds, that no one, and I mean no one has realized what they actually saw. Remember that race was wind legal. But I am sure you feel as though he did that for himself also! Mr. Smith Faith is a road seldom traveled Let us run with patience the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith" Hebrews 12: 1-2
t-and-f: Re: WC qualifyinh
>The World Championships need straight entry standards >PERIOD, and perhaps auto entries for depending champions. >Get rid of the national representation stuff. >Make it a TRUE world championship. >If that means 12 Kenyans in the Steeple final, so be it. Would Mills have made the Olympic team in '64 under these conditions? Or would the Olympics remain different from the WC? Richard
Re: t-and-f: Competing at NATS- was "a huge loss to the sport"
Keep it in context Brian. There are many reasons to do it, and that is why he went after it. I was asking because people are questioning Maurice's motives to running that one round. My point is that it was not for himself because if he were that selfish he would have jogged down the track, and waited for the big payday down the line, at some Euro meet. That is the point to the question. I am well aware of every single reason to run a wr, I think many have forgotten the one that we are now discussing, the fans! DGS Faith is a road seldom traveled Let us run with patience the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith" Hebrews 12: 1-2
Re: t-and-f: Re: WC qualifyinh
>The World Championships need straight entry standards >PERIOD, and perhaps auto entries for depending champions. >Get rid of the national representation stuff. >Make it a TRUE world championship. >If that means 12 Kenyans in the Steeple final, so be it. Sports that have any significant spectator interest fall into two categories. (1) Competitions where one can identify and follow the progress of a small number of individuals (e.g. golf, tennis, boxing). (2) Competitions where one can identify a "home team" and root for it (baseball, football, soccer, basketball, hockey). Category (1) is appropriate for an individual event in the world championships. I can keep track of three Kenyans in a steeplechase final, but not 12. Even so, I don't have strong feelings as to which Kenyan should win. I do have strong feelings if there is an American in the final. In international level track and field, Category (2) can apply to individuals. Nationality is the determinant that corresponds to the identification of a "home team". In the case of relays, we have a genuine home team. Track and field will hold any spectator interest only if it is structured so that no one country fills out most of the field in any international competition. Dave Carey
t-and-f: Rome Start Time
Does anyone know what time (Rome time) the Golden Gala is scheduled to start ??? Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Rome Start Time
goldengala.it Faith is a road seldom traveled Let us run with patience the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith" Hebrews 12: 1-2
t-and-f: GP Circuit starting times
Golden League: Rome 20:30 Paris 19:30 Oslo 19:45 Monaco 19:30 Zürich 18:00 Brussels 18:00 Berlin 19:30 GP I: Lausanne 18:00 Nice 19:30 Stockholm 18:30 London 13:00 Melbourne TBA GP II: Zagreb 19:00 Gateshead 13:00 Linz 18:30 Rieti 19:00 (after several years of persistence by yours truly as a member of the IAAF Press Commission, the start times were added to this year's Outdoor Handbook) As of a few minutes after the start of the Rome meet, it appears that the Italian Federation link isn't active, but the IAAF is up and ready to go. gh
t-and-f: dang time zones
oops, added 10 hours to get to Rome from here sted of 9 (musta confused it w/ Athens). so my previous post about "just after start" was an hour premature.
Re: t-and-f: Re: WC qualifyinh
Dave Carey wrote, >>The World Championships need straight entry standards >>PERIOD, and perhaps auto entries for depending champions. >>Get rid of the national representation stuff. >>Make it a TRUE world championship. >>If that means 12 Kenyans in the Steeple final, so be it. Amen, Dave, amen. As I recall, the original concept for the WC was just that, and the selection of the world's best, irrespective of nationality, was supposed to distinguish it from the Olympics competition. I think it was thought that there might be a problem with authenticity of some marks submitted for entry consideration. Can anyone who was involved in development of the WC concept give us more information on why it reverted to national representation? Cheers
Re: t-and-f: Re: WC qualifyinh
I agree with the concept of the "true" World Championships ... Curious as to why there would be difficulty authenticating marks with all of the "official" lists that are out there ??? Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Roger Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 12:33 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Re: WC qualifyinh > Dave Carey wrote, > > >>The World Championships need straight entry standards > >>PERIOD, and perhaps auto entries for depending champions. > >>Get rid of the national representation stuff. > >>Make it a TRUE world championship. > >>If that means 12 Kenyans in the Steeple final, so be it. > > Amen, Dave, amen. > > As I recall, the original concept for the WC was just that, and the > selection of the world's best, irrespective of nationality, was supposed to > distinguish it from the Olympics competition. > > I think it was thought that there might be a problem with authenticity of > some marks submitted for entry consideration. Can anyone who was involved > in development of the WC concept give us more information on why it > reverted to national representation? > > Cheers > > >
t-and-f: best times for place, women's 3000 meters
At Rome today, the 2nd thru 5th place finishers in the womens 3000m scored the best ever Non-Chinese times for place: 1 , Yegorova Olga, RUS, 8:23.96 2 , Zadorozhnaya Yelena, RUS, 8:25.40 3 , Tomashova Tatyana, RUS, 8:25.56 4 , Szabo Gabriela, ROM, 8:26.44 5 , Radcliffe Paula, GBR, 8:26.97 (93 Chinese National Games times for 2-5 were 8:12.18; 8:16.50; 8:21.26; 8:21.84) Marty Post Senior Editor Runner's World Magazine www.runnersworld.com
t-and-f: Rome Grand Prix - Live Radio Broadcast
Short notice, but you can hear live radio coverage of the Rome Grand Prix Meet at 1.00PM Pacific Go to http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/ and click on the "Five Live" button. Eamonn Condon www.RunnersGoal.com
Re: t-and-f: theoretical match-race amongst young gods
on 6/28/01 9:42 PM, Steve Grathwohl at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > At 08:09 PM 6/28/01 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> so let's suppose that Webb and Ritz and met at either GWI or the Stanford >> Invite (choice of meet is simply the weekend exactly between the showing >> of peak form for each, Webb in the Pre mile, Ritz in the USATF 5K). >> >> And choosing a distance "exactly" between 1M and 3.107M (5K), they go >> head-to-head at 2M. >> >> Who's the winner? >> >> gh > > If the first mile goes under 4:20, Ritz; otherwise, Webb. I was frankly > astonished how easily Ritz handled Webb at Footlocker in the fall, having > seen Webb crush the course record on a rainy and muddy day in the Southeast > regional. > > Steve > > Steve and gh, I'll take Webb in this match up, his speed will prevail in the end ... I agree however with Steve's point about Ritz going out under 4:20 - that being vital for his chances against Webb over 2 miles! Winning time? how about 8:36-7! my 2 cents, TF Tom Fleming
Re: t-and-f: Re: WC qualifyinh
In a message dated Fri, 29 Jun 2001 2:44:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Roger Ruth) writes:
<< As I recall, the original concept for the WC was just that, and the selection of
the world's best, irrespective of nationality, was supposed to
distinguish it from the Olympics competition.
Can anyone who was involved in development of the WC concept give us more information
on why it reverted to national representation?>>
I may have a serious memory-loss problem here, but I recall no thoughts that the WC
would ever be conducted in a manner other than the OG (except in the eager minds of
hard-core fans who wanted a "real" WC).
But I can pretty much assure you that the "all qualifiers" WC concept will never fly.
Ever. Simply becuase at the same time as the original WC ('93), the IAAF changed its
voting rules to the "democratic" method of 1 nation, 1 vote. Which, of course, in
reality disenfranchises the bulk of the world's top-level athletes and gives their
votes to Tonga, et al.
(Prior to the change, nations were accorded votes according to size, which makes
sense.)
Now, w/ the small nations firmly in charge, they'll never vote for a system which
might produce a WC where the 1/2/4 finals were 80% American, and the St/5/10 finals
were 90% Kenyan/Ethiopian.
Now, at least, you have dozens of nations that can go home and say "we had a finalist"
even if they didn't have a medalist.
At a true worlds, the number of nations having finalists would plummet precipitously.
We were lucky to the get the wild card under these conditions.
gh
Re: t-and-f: Re: WC qualifyinh
The quote was taken from somebody else's message. The sender of the original quote was unidentified. Apparently, it appeared to several people that the quote was from me. What I wrote took exactly the oppositite viewpoint. I argued in favor of a limit of three per nation in any single event. > > > Dave Carey did not write, > > > > >>The World Championships need straight entry standards > > >>PERIOD, and perhaps auto entries for depending champions. > > >>Get rid of the national representation stuff. > > >>Make it a TRUE world championship. > > >>If that means 12 Kenyans in the Steeple final, so be it. > >
Re: t-and-f: Re: WC qualifyinh
At 3:30 PM -0400 29.06.2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >I may have a serious memory-loss problem here, but I recall no thoughts >that the WC would ever be conducted in a manner other than the OG (except >in the eager minds of hard-core fans who wanted a "real" WC). > - Have to agree with GH on this. Another problem not yet mentioned is the most basic one of all: Who would pay for the 5-10 extra Kenyan steeplechasers to go to Worlds? Kenya doesn't want to pay for their 4th steepler (or a wild card) to go. Many countries already refuse to send their best athletes in given events, even when qualified. I would never have counted on the IAAF to pay to bring in people who didn't stand a good chance of medaling, unless it was from some sort of third-world-development fund. But third world to IAAF doesn't necessarily mean third world in the normal sense. It translates to athletic development, not economic development. The bottom line is the economics don't make sense for the true WC being bandied about. Dave Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Re: WC qualifyinh
>But I can pretty much assure you that the "all qualifiers" WC concept will >never fly. Ever. Does this "true world championship" concept actually exist anywhere? In any sport? I can't think of one off the top of my head. I think the closest thing are big tennis tournaments like Wimbledon or golf tournaments like the Masters. But those are just the most prestigious tournaments in their respective sports. They aren't official World Championships sanctioned by international governing bodies. It seems that when an international body takes over, some sort of national or geographical limits get instituted. Kurt Bray _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
t-and-f: more best times for place, men's mile
Golden Gala mile, best ever 5th, 6th and 7th place times; record 6 men under 3:50, old record 4 Bislett '97 1, 15, EL GUERROUJ, Hicham, MAR, 3:44.95 2, 20, LAGAT, Bernard, KEN, 3:47.28 3, 23, DIAZ, Andres, ESP, 3:48.38 4, 24, REDOLAT, Josè, ESP, 3:49.60 5, 26, MUCHERU, Leonard, KEN, 3:49.75 6, 19, SHABUNIN, Vyacheslav, RUS, NR, 3:49.83 7, 32, MUTAI, Sammy, KEN, 3:50.60 Marty Post Senior Editor Runner's World Magazine www.runnersworld.com
t-and-f: Academic honors
Netters: The posting on Tony Waldrop's new position at NCU suggests a new all-time list composed of persons like him who have distinguished themselves academically or professionally in later life. Two obvious nominations would be, for the LJ, the late Meredith Gourdine, and, for the sprints, Dr. David Sime. And, if you want to extend it past our shores, there's also Dr. Roger Bannister, Dr. Arhur Wint and Dr. Otto Peltzer. Ed Grant
t-and-f: USATF Release: Team USA takes on Great Britain & Russia Sunday in Glasgow
Contact:Tom Surber Media Information Manager USA Track & Field (317) 261-0500 x317 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Friday, June 29, 2001 Team USA takes on Great Britain & Russia Sunday in Glasgow INDIANAPOLIS - Olympic gold medalists Gail Devers, Allen Johnson, Inger Miller, Angelo Taylor, Charles Austin, Monique Hennagan, Antonio Pettigrew, Chryste Gaines, Jon Drummond, LaTasha Colander-Richardson, Bernard Williams, and Jerome Young will lead Team USA Sunday against top athletes from Great Britain and Russia at the Norwich Union Challenge in Glasgow, Scotland. For the first time ever, a team from Russia has been added to the annual dual between the U.S. and Great Britain. Team USA has won the last two matches and holds an 8-6 lead over Great Britain in the series. This year's U.S. roster also includes a dozen 2001 U.S. Outdoor champions, who won their titles at the GMC Envoy USA Outdoor Championships last week in Eugene, Oregon. The newly crowned U.S. champs making the trip to Glasgow include John Godina, Adam Setliff, Nathan Leeper, Andy Downin, LaMark Carter and Breaux Greer, along with Devers, Johnson, Taylor, Gaines, Colander-Richardson and Pettigrew. The individual prize money breakdown for the event is as follows: 1st - $7,000, 2nd - $4,000, 3rd - $2,000, 4th - $1,000, 5th - $600 and 6th - $400. The top-three finishing relay teams will earn: 1st - $4,000, 2nd - $2,000, 3rd - $1,000. Athletes setting a world record in Olympic distance events will earn $100,000. Any athlete setting a world record in non-Olympic distances will earn $50,000, and an athlete setting a world record in the women's steeplechase will pocket $25,000. The men's 100 meters will feature Bernard Williams, who finished second last week at the GMC Envoy USA Outdoor Championships in Eugene. Williams' training partner, Jon Drummond, will also compete in Glasgow after placing sixth at Nationals. Williams and Drummond comprised half of the U.S. 4x100m relay team that won the gold medal last year at the Olympic Games in Sydney. Their main competition will come from Britain's Dwain Chambers, who placed fourth at the 2000 Olympic Games in Sydney, and captured the bronze medal at the 1999 World Championships in Seville. Drummond will also compete in the 200 meters after finishing fifth in that event in Eugene. He will be joined by 1997 World Indoor 200m champ Kevin Little, who placed third last week at Nationals. Britain's Christian Malcom, who finished fifth in the 200 meters in Sydney and ended the year ranked fifth in the world, is also in the field. 2000 4x400m relay gold medalists Antonio Pettigrew and Jerome Young will represent the U.S. in the 400 meters. Pettigrew, the 1991 world champion, won his fifth U.S. Outdoor title in Eugene last week in 45.08 seconds, with Young finishing third in 45.32. Derrick Peterson will lead the U.S. in the 800 meters after placing second in Eugene in 1:47.40. Peterson will be joined by Trinity Gray, who captured the 2001 U.S. Indoor 800m title in March. Russia's 20-year old Yuriy Borzakovskiy is the heavy favorite after winning the 2001 world indoor title, and placing sixth in the 800m in Sydney. U.S. champ Andy Downin will compete in the 1,500 meters in Glasgow, along with this year's U.S. Indoor mile champ Seneca Lassiter, who placed second in Eugene. Britain's John Mayock, who finished ninth in the 1,500m in Sydney, will provide a strong challenge to the Americans. Two-time world outdoor champ and 1996 Olympic gold medalist Allen Johnson will team up with Eugene third-place finisher Dawane Wallace in the 110-meter hurdles. The American duo will face a stiff challenge from Britain's Colin Jackson, who finished fifth at the Olympics in Sydney, and set the world record of 12.91 in 1993. Three-time U.S. champ and 2000 Olympic gold medalist Angelo Taylor headlines the field in the 400-meter hurdles. Taylor, who also won gold as a member of the U.S. 4x400m relay team in Sydney, will be joined by James Carter, who placed fourth in Sydney and third at last week's U.S. Nationals. British Olympian Chris Rawlinson should provide a good test for the Americans. After finishing 11th at last year's Olympics, Nathan Leeper has dominated his domestic competition in the high jump, winning the 2001 U.S. Indoor and Outdoor titles. He will be joined in Glasgow by 1996 Olympic gold medalist and second place finisher in Eugene, Charles Austin. Leeper and Austin both cleared 2.30 meters/7 feet, 6.50 inches in Eugene, with Leeper winning the competition on fewer misses. Russia's 1999 world outdoor champion Vyacheslav Voronin, who ended the last season ranked #1 in the world, is also in the field. 2000 Olympic Trials winner Robert Howard will team with 2001 U.S. indoor and outdoor champ LaMark Carter in the triple jump. T
t-and-f: Some of what I think(was Competing at NATS)
That one doesn't fly Brian because he already has done BOTH of the things you listed above. That is not some new challenge to motivate him. Now lets deal with selfishness when it comes to money. Greene is a man who walked away from nearly 500k last year by not going to the GP final where he was already a member of the jackpot and was going to be the men's overall point leader but he'll turn around and run Mt Sac, Texas Relays, etc., for FREE (not to mention the clinics). Chasing money on the possibility that he was going break the WR in Eugene C'mon! Guess what...a WR bonus is a WR bonus no matter WHERE you run it. Now to a little bit of my personal opinion. I tip my hat off to Greene because I do know this.Boo Micheal Johnson and see if you get ANYTHING from him ever again. Some people really need to appreciate him and leave the world selfish far from that mans name. When I saw him in the lobby on Tuesday so stressed out about his knee that he was almost in tears I wondered why the hell he would even think about running. MANY people urged him to just get the medical waiver. He didn't have to even give people ONE race but he did anyway because he wanted to give something to the fans he appreciates and this is what he gets???. I told him (after seeing him drive himself crazy) that with that USATF rule stinking like that, he should show up at the starting line with some jeans and a T-shirt. When the gun goes off, he should jog down, wave to the fans, and go home! Of course he would never ever consider that but like I said in an earlier post. When you have athletes that have earned bye's into the WC and you need their star power in order for you to make and receive more money.PAY THEM! Mo gets absolutely NOTHING out of competing at US National ( this year) so it should become a "I scratch your back, your scratch mine" thing. The others are getting and giving because they are getting a chance to make the team in return for the free run. DMC While intelligent people can often simplify the complex, a fool is more likely to complicate the simple.
Re: t-and-f: a huge loss to the sport
Netters Eric wrote: > Be it the weather conditions or the athletes feeling the loss of US's track > and field leader, I must say that there are many, many athletes who in no way think of Michael Johnson in anyway a leader in our sport. He has managed to completely alienate himself from just about any event longer than 400m and in the field. Mike
Re: t-and-f: Academic honors
Dr. Meriweather to that list Ed Grant wrote: Netters: The posting on Tony Waldrop's new position at NCU suggests a new all-time list composed of persons like him who have distinguished themselves academically or professionally in later life. Two obvious nominations would be, for the LJ, the late Meredith Gourdine, and, for the sprints, Dr. David Sime. And, if you want to extend it past our shores, there's also Dr. Roger Bannister, Dr. Arhur Wint and Dr. Otto Peltzer. Ed Grant
Re: t-and-f: a huge loss to the sport
Netters Darrel wrote > A big push for the nationals would be the reestablishment of the relationship > between the federation and the athlete. There is none right now. > It began decades ago and is now blowing up right before our eyes. This > current wave of rule changes and proposals drove a stake between the two > parties. The athletes feel as though they have a very limited voice, and > that voice is often ignored. We will see a resurgence when the athletes feel > as though they have a stake in the program. Right now they feel like slaves, > and clowns performing for the masses. On top of it all, the athletes are the > ones that get criticized, and take the hit, and the federation leaves them in > the lurch. Bad business. While I don't disagree with Darrell's point about wether a defending World Champion who has a bye should or should not be forced to compete at a Nationals Championships (I have mixed feelings myself). I do disagree with about athletes feeling they have a limited voice. The AAC is very strong and has Craig's ear - it would be stronger yet is the big guns would come and lend support. As for it blowing up - nah 86 was much worse with the whole Good Will Games fiasco. ANd not to start a huge fight but why is it that 3 rounds of a 100 are more dibillitating then say a 5k/10k double? We might note it is always the big time sprinter who want out of the Nationals. Why is that? Mike
t-and-f: USATF News & Notes - 6/29/01
Contact:Jill M. Geer Director of Communications 317-261-0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org USATF News & Notes Volume 2, Number 56 June 29, 2001 Americans Golden in Rome Five U.S. athletes withstood an Italian rainstorm to win their events Friday at the Golden Gala in Rome, the first meet in the IAAF's Golden League Series. Four athletes posted U.S.-leading marks at the meet as well. Defending world champions Maurice Greene, Marion Jones and Stacy Dragila won their specialties in Rome, with James Carter and Kevin Dilworth adding wins in their events as well. Greene ran 10.01 in the men's 100m, Jones came back from a false start to run a U.S.-leading 10.96 in the women's 100, Dragila cleared 4.72m (15 feet, 5.75 inches) in the women's pole vault, Carter ran a U.S.-leading 48.51 in the men's 400 hurdles and Dilworth went 8.06m/26-5.5 in the long jump. Also placing well among the Americans were Tim Montgomery, 2nd in the 100m (10.11); Breaux Greer, 2nd in the javelin (81.59/267-8); Chryste Gaines, 3rd in the women's 100 (11.11), Suzy Favor Hamilton, 3rd in the women's 1500 with a U.S.-leading time of 4:03.10; Tonja Buford-Bailey, 3rd in the women's 400 hurdles with a U.S.-leading time of 54.75; Kellie Suttle, 3rd in the women's pole vault (4.42/14-6); Sandra Glover, 4th in the women's 400 hurdles (55.18) and Amy Acuff, fourth in the women's high jump (1.85m/6-0.75). Dragila, Montgomery, Greer, Gaines, Glover and Acuff all won their events at the GMC Envoy USA Outdoor Track & Field Championships last weekend in Eugene, Ore., while Jones is fresh off of winning her fourth U.S. title in the 200m. The Golden Gala will be broadcast Saturday (June 30) from 7-8pm Eastern Time on ESPN. For complete meet results, visit the IAAF Web site: www.iaaf.org. Big Day for Dathan Rockford, Michigan, hometown of high school distance star Dathan Ritzenhein, will celebrate Dathan Ritzenhein Day tomorrow (Saturday, June 30). In speaking about the big day to Runner's World Online two weeks ago, Ritzenhein took a low-key but appreciative approach to the celebration. "I hope there's not a parade," said the two-time FootLocker cross country champion. "The people at my school and township are pretty amazing. When I got back from Worlds (Cross Country, where Ritzenhein finished third in the junior men's race), there were 40 of them there to greet me. … These people here could do something. You never know." New York City Marathon increases prize money The New York City Marathon has increased its total prize money 94 percent for the 2001 edition of the race, the New York Road Runners announced this week. First place prize money for the men's and women's winners is now at an event record $80,000, an increase of $15,000 over 2000. Second place will receive $45,000 and third wins $30,000. This fall, the marathon serves at the U.S. men's and women's marathon championship. The New York Road Runners on Wednesday announced the marathon prize money structure at an event that featured New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani and New York Road Runners President and Marathon Race Director Allan Steinfeld. The total guaranteed purse for 2001's marathon is $514,000. The NYRR will award $216,000 in both men's and women's open divisions and an additional $82,000 for the U.S. national championships, with the male and female U.S. champions receiving $15,000 each. Not included in the $514,000 are prizes for masters athletes and performance bonuses, which could be as high as $65,000 for a sub-2:07 male performance and sub-2:22 female performance. Ruth Owens dies Ruth Owens, the widow of Olympic legend Jesse Owens, died Wednesday. She was 86. Mrs. Owens died of heart failure in her Hyde Park (Chicago) neighborhood home. She was married to Jesse Owens for nearly 46 years before he died in 1980. Ruth Owens was the chair of the foundation honoring Jesse Owens' legacy, formed in 1980 and designed to give scholarships to "average students active in the community." She was an ambassador of the ARCO/Jesse Owens Games, a summer track and field competition that also provided scholarships. She is survived by three daughters, Marlene Owens Rankin, Gloria Hemphill and Beverly Prather; five grandchildren; and two great grandchildren. Visitation is Monday with funeral services scheduled for Tuesday at the First Unitarian Church of Hyde Park. # # #
Re: t-and-f: a huge loss to the sport
Netters Darrell wrote: > We are skating the issue here. Yes, there is the AAC, but they are the same > people that feel slighted. This is exactly what I am speaking about. The > athletes do not feel as though they have an adequate voice in the function of > the federation and its decision making, and policy making. > More specifically the sprinters really feel slighted. And that becomes a big > problem because you are talking about the premier athletes at that point. You folks are not being told the truth here - I have been through those meetings and the sprinters who do show up work hard and do feel like they are being represented well. As do all the athletes who come to the meetings. But you have to come and work. Mike
Re: t-and-f: a huge loss to the sport
In a message dated 01-06-29 19:03:40 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I must say that there are many, many athletes who in no way think of Michael Johnson in anyway a leader in our sport. He has managed to completely alienate himself from just about any event longer than 400m and in the field. >> You kidding, right? So does MJ have to dominate the world in the 5000m to be considered a "leader" in the sport of track & field? MJ dominated the long sprints for close to 10 years, making history in almost every meet he ran in. I'm definitely going to miss MJ because I may never see a 43 400m again. Larry A. Morgan Elizabeth Heat TC
Re: t-and-f: a huge loss to the sport
Netters Louise Forwarded: > THE NO FALSE START RULE > DISCRIMINATION AGAINST SPRINTERS > > WHEREAS the start for the sprinter/hurdler is a complex part of the race > and sprinters/hurdlers are the only athletes symbiotically linked with > another person, the starter (who is never held accountable) While I think that whole thing is great I must say I believe that racewalk athletes are as symbiotcally linked to racewalk judges as any.
t-and-f: Golden Gala Results
IAAF Golden League Golden Gala Roma, 29-Jun-2001 RESULTS MEN GP 100 METRES - MENCombined Results Pts 1 Greene Maurice USA 10.01 12.0 2 Montgomery Tim USA 10.11 10.0 3 Jarrett Patrick JAM 10.15 9.0 4 Aliu DejiNGR 10.19 7.5 4 Obikwelu Francis NGR 10.19 7.5 6 Williams Bernard USA 10.21 6.0 7 Collins Kim SKN 10.22 5.0 8 Malcolm ChristianGBR 10.24 4.0 GP 100 METRES Race 1 - MEN Wind: +0.5 Pts 1 Greene Maurice USA 10.01 12.0 2 Montgomery Tim USA 10.11 10.0 3 Obikwelu Francis NGR 10.19 7.5 4 Williams Bernard USA 10.21 6.0 5 Lewis Brian USA 10.26 6 Zakari Abdul AzizGHA 10.26 7 Torrieri Marco ITA 10.26 8 Thompson Obadele BAR 10.27 9 Drummond Jon USA 10.32 GP 100 METRES Race 2 - MEN Wind: +0.2 Pts 1 Jarrett Patrick JAM 10.15 9.0 2 Aliu DejiNGR 10.19 7.5 3 Collins Kim SKN 10.22 5.0 4 Malcolm ChristianGBR 10.24 4.0 5 Asahara Nobuharu JPN 10.32 6 Colombo Andrea ITA 10.41 7 Shirvington Matthew AUS 10.44 8 Scuderi FrancescoITA 10.47 GP 800 METRES - MEN Pts 1 Bucher André SUI1:44.01 12.0 2 Borzakovskiy Yuriy RUS1:44.02 10.0 3 Dube Glody BOT1:44.62 9.0 4 Sepeng Hezekiél RSA1:44.97 8.0 5 Yiampoy William KEN1:45.18 7.0 6 Chirchir William KEN1:45.30 6.0 7 Longo Andrea ITA1:45.35 5.0 8 Lelei David KEN1:45.72 4.0 9 Nduwimana Jean-Patrick BDI1:46.84 10 Wachira Nicholas KEN1:48.62 Kiptoo David KENDNF GP MILE - MEN Pts 1 El Guerrouj Hicham MAR3:44.95 12.0 2 Lagat BernardKEN3:47.28 10.0 3 Díaz Andrés Manuel ESP3:48.38 9.0 4 Redolat José Antonio ESP3:49.60 8.0 5 Mucheru Leonard KEN3:49.75 7.0 6 Shabunin Vyacheslav RUS3:49.83 6.0 7 Mutai Sammy KEN3:50.60 5.0 8 Koech Enock KEN3:51.50 4.0 9 Rotich Laban KEN3:52.26 10 Sullivan Kevin CAN3:52.41 11 Kipkurui BenjaminKEN3:52.52 12 Biwott Peter KEN3:53.16 13 Estévez ReyesESP3:53.52 14 Baba Youssef MAR3:58.82 15 Obrist Christian ITA3:59.74 16 Tanui WilliamKEN4:00.58 17 Kibowen John KEN4:01.45 Di Napoli GennaroITADNF Kaouch Adil MARDNF Koech Benson KENDNF GP 5000 METRES - MEN Pts 1 Mekonnen Hailu ETH 12:58.57 12.0 2 Limo BenjaminKEN 12:59.53 10.0 3 Kipketer Sammy KEN 12:59.94 9.0 4 Limo Richard KEN 13:00.32 8.0 5 Abate AbiyoteETH 13:00.36 7.0 6 Sghyr Ismaïl FRA 13:01.64 6.0 7 Wolde MillionETH 13:02.17 5.0 8 García Alberto ESP 13:02.54 4.0 9 Nyariki Tom KEN 13:04.64 10 Kamathi Charles KEN 13:05.16 11 Amyn MohammedMAR 13:05.44 12 Komen Daniel KEN 13:07.50 13 Rios JoséESP 13:09.83 14 Bakken MariusNOR 13:13.99 15 El Himer Driss FRA 13:15.10 16 Bekele Kenenisa ETH
Re: t-and-f: Re: WC qualifyinh
on 29/6/01 8:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I may have a serious memory-loss problem here, but I recall no thoughts that > the WC would ever be conducted in a manner other than the OG (except in the > eager minds of hard-core fans who wanted a "real" WC). A long, long time ago, as I believe I have posted before, I had a conversation with John Holt, then the secretary of the IAAF, about the 'nationalistic' concept of the first world championships in Helsinki. He agreed that if the best eight sprinters in the world were American (that was a possibility at the time, although we all know it not to be so now) then the best eight sprinters should be at the world championships. Whether has was humouring me or not I do not know, although I don't believe John was that sort of person. He said the IAAF were looking at inviting the top 50 in the world for each event (what criteria they would have used he did not say, although if it had happened I can imagine this list being greatly excerised) but of course it never happened. Obviously it was Primo Nebilio and his decision to change the voting system (and keep himself in power at the same time) which scuppered the idea of a true world championships, but the IAAF were thinking about it. Maybe you were having a 'senior moment' Garry. Randall Northam
t-and-f: Kenyan Champs
these results will undoubtedly be of interest to many of you. Look at some of those times at altitude! Imagine what would happen if they had another OG in Mexico City. thanks to Athletics International for being original source of results as they came to T&FN. KENYA MEN Nairobi, Kenya, June 2123 (altitude 1675m/5500ft) (6/21400H, 800h, Sth; 6/22800s) 400: 1. Sambu 44.47; 2. Chepkwony 45.46; 3. Da. Kirui 46.36. 800: 1. Yiampoy 1:44.24; 2. W. Bungei 1:44.79; 3. Wachira 1:45.36; 4. Mutua 1:45.52; 5. Marwa 1:45.90; 6. M. Rotich 1:46.80; 7. Kimwetich 1:47.68. Heats: I1. W. Bungei 1:47.0; 3. J. Kimutai 1:472. Semis: I1. Yiampoy 1:45.6; 2. W. Bungei 1:45.7. 1500: 1. W. Chirchir 3:40.15; 2. L. Rotich 3:40.22; 3. Ngeny 3:40.27; 4. Mucheru 3:40.42; 5. B. Lagat 3:4100; 6. R. Rono 3:41.34; 7. S. Mutai 3:41.42; 8. Kimeli 3:41.72. St: 1. Barmasai 8:16.0; 2. Re. Kosgei 8:18.0; 3. Yator 8:23.8; 4. K. Misoi 8:27.4; 5. M. Birir 8:28.2; 6. Joh. Kosgei 8:36.0; 7. W. Boit 8:36.4. Heats: I1. M. Birir 8:38.0; 2. W. Boit 8:40.0; 3 J. Langat 8:40.6; 4. P. Manyim 8:42.3. II1. P. Koech 8:30.4; 2. Barmasai 8:36.7; 3. Joh. Kosgei 8:36.0; 4. A. Chelimo 8:44.3. III1. Re. Kosgei 8:32.0; 2. Yator 8:32.1; 3. J. Nyamu 8:32.3; 4. Mi. Kiptanui 8:325. 5000: 1. R. Limo 13:17.2; 2. S. Kipketer 13:17.6; 3 Kibowen 13:19.5; 4. B. Limo 13:24.7; 5. Mosima 13:291; 6. Nyariki 13:41.8; 7. Chepterit 13:42.4. 10,000: 1. Kamathi 27:47.33 (fastest ever at altitude); 2. Cheruiyot Korir 27:49.34; 3. P. Kosgei 27:51.87; 4 Kalya 27:52.64; 5. Barusi 28:09.32; 6. Maiyo 28:09.33; 7. Chebii 28:18.98; 8. Maina 28:27.17. 400H: 1. H. Maritim 50.93. 20W: 1. D. Kimutai 1:22:42; 2. Sawe 1:25:22. KENYA WOMEN (6/2210K) 800: 1. Macharia 2:03.91; 2. Jepkosgei 2:04.59. 1500: 1. Muraguri 4:13.3; 2. Mugo 4:15.1. 2KSt: 1. Limika 6:30.62; 2. N. Chebet 6:41.68; 3. S Chebet 6:41.81; 4. Kiptoo 6:42.0; 5. Omwanza 6:45.01. 5000: 1. Masai 15:24.4; 2. Okayo 15:30.0; 3. R. Cheruiyot 15:32.0; 4. V. Cheruiyot 15:59.4; 5. Ndomongole 15:59.4; 6. Malot 16:06.7. 10,000: 1. Chepkemei 33:23.3; 2. Loroupe 33:28.4; 3. Chepkwony 33:32.5; 4. Ndereba 33:33.7; 5. Kwambai 33:43.0; 6. Timbilil 33:52.7.
t-and-f: Golden Gala part II
GP 3000 METRES - WOMEN Pts 1 Yegorova OlgaRUS8:23.96 12.0 2 Zadorozhnaya Yelena RUS8:25.40 10.0 3 Tomashova TatyanaRUS8:25.56 9.0 4 Szabo Gabriela ROM8:26.44 8.0 5 Radcliffe Paula GBR8:26.97 7.0 6 Yordanova DanielaBUL8:30.65 6.0 7 Leghzaoui Asmae MAR8:37.58 5.0 8 Turova AlesyaBLR8:39.14 4.0 9 Cheruiyot Rose KEN8:41.74 10 Gebregiorgos DamaETH8:42.39 11 Willis BenitaAUS8:42.95 12 Domínguez Marta ESP8:46.35 13 Butler Kathy GBR8:53.63 14 Tarekegne Etaferahu ETH8:59.97 15 Chaabi Bouchra MAR9:03.26 16 Kidane Werknesh ETH9:03.74 17 English Una IRL9:11.37 Komyagina Olga RUSDNF Kopytova-Kavaklioglu Yelena-Ebru TURDNS GP 400 METRES HURDLES - WOMEN Pts 1 Bidouane Nezha MAR 54.54 12.0 2 Parris Debbie-AnnJAM 54.60 10.0 3 Buford-Bailey Tonja USA 54.75 9.0 4 Glover SandraUSA 55.18 8.0 5 Nosova YuliyaRUS 55.44 7.0 6 Tereshchuk-Antipova Tetyana UKR 55.46 6.0 7 Febbraio Surita RSA 55.82 5.0 8 Torshina Natalya KAZ 56.34 4.0 9 Niederstatter Monika ITA 56.56 GP HIGH JUMP - WOMEN Pts 1 Bergqvist Kajsa SWE 1.98 12.0 2 Veneva Venelina BUL 1.96 10.0 3 Kaliturina Olga RUS 1.90 9.0 4 Acuff AmyUSA 1.85 7.0 4 Iagar-Dinescu Monica ROM 1.85 7.0 4 Witteveen SolangeARG 1.85 7.0 7 Babakova IngaUKR 1.85 2.2 7 Cloete Hestrie RSA 1.85 2.2 7 Györffy Dóra HUN 1.85 2.2 7 Zalevskaya Svetlana KAZ 1.85 2.2 11 Imai MikiJPN 1.85 11 Musunoiu-Pantelimon Oana ROM 1.85 13 Styopina Viktoriya UKR 1.80 Lyakhova Yuliya RUS NM GP POLE VAULT - WOMEN Pts 1 Dragila StacyUSA 4.72 12.0 2 Isinbayeva YelenaRUS 4.42 10.0 3 Suttle KellieUSA 4.42 9.0 4 Belyakova Yelena RUS 4.42 8.0 5 Pyrek Monika POL 4.32 7.0 6 Auer Doris AUT 4.32 5.0 6 Balakhonova Anzhela UKR 4.32 5.0 6 Elisdóttir Thórey Edda ISL 4.32 5.0 9 Feofanova Svetlana RUS 4.32 10 Mueller Melissa USA 4.20 10 Sauer Mary USA 4.20 12 Hamácková Pavla CZE 4.20 13 Warlick Alicia USA 4.20 14 Flosadóttir Vala ISL 4.00 LONG JUMP - WOMEN Wind 1 Kotova Tatyana RUS 6.78 +0.0 2 May FionaITA 6.67 +0.1 3 Edwards Jackie BAH 6.28 -0.1 4 Montalvo Niurka ESP 6.20 -0.5 5 Miklos Eva ROM 6.18 +0.1 6 Adams Jenny USA 6.15 -0.2 7 Ter-Mesrobyan TatyanaRUS 6.01 -0.3 Johansson Erica SWEDNS Maggi Maurren Higa BRADNS
Re: t-and-f: booing Maurice (was a huge loss to the sport
In a message dated Fri, 29 Jun 2001 4:07:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << This reminds me of a rule that I have been meaning to question. What was wrong with eliminating Maurice from the semi final, and allowing Floyd Heard to run the semi's? It was clear that Maurice was out without question, so why include him in the lane draw at all? >> I asked an old fogie about that and he said that at one time there was such a rule in place, but it got pulled quite a few years back. I'll be darned if I can remember what concern caused them to remove it. One possible reason could be that a wild card entry might yield the spot if it were a teammate who'd get advanced, but if it were someone who might negatively affect that teammates chance's, he not yield until it was too late. But I do think in a case where somebody like Mo declares days out that he's simplynot running that they advance somebody else. I've argued for years that nothing spoils the presentation of a major meet more than an empty lane. If they can't come up with a rule that allows substitution, then they should at least allow for shunting runners outwards so that the lanes are at least contiguous. In terms of Eugene presentation, I lobbied long and hard for them to draw the lanes as per formula, w/ Mo, so there was no rule violation, then simply push everybody over one so that lane 1 was empty and it would be basically unnoticed. I got nowhere, so when the semis came around there was a glaring reminder of a situation that had generated boos the days before. How dumb is that? gh
Re: t-and-f: a huge loss to the sport
Netters Ed Parrot wrote: "I believe that the relatively small amount of prize money this year was a good first step." Don't be misled here by those press releases - that was not prize money. It was USOC stipends disguised as prize money and further not every winner gets one. Its the same as it has been the last 4 years with the exception that a 4th place has been added. Further not all the athletes get the money you think they have earned. For instance an athlete making more then 80,000 dollars - that is "published" does not get the money. And then neither do the college athletes, of course, nor can one do a double and and take both. You only get to keep the one you placed highest in. Further the money doesn't always slide down. For instance Gabe doesn't get 500 dollars and it can't go to Webb either. But whoever was 6th in the 1500 will not get it either because you have the A standard to get that money if you are in a position other than1-4. WHere does it go? Back into the events (like the sprints) that have the A standards. So much for development of an event. Though I can't say for sure here are a list of athletes who might not get this: MO, Marion, BK, Goucher, Regina Gail? just for starters.
RE: t-and-f: Golden Gala Results
> Golden Gala > Roma, 29-Jun-2001 ... > 3000 M STEEPLECHASE - MEN > Pts > 7 Broe Tim USA8:14.82 5.0 This is a good result for Broe -- is that a PR? -- Andy Andrew Fitzhugh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: t-and-f: a huge loss to the sport
C'mon, Larry, MJ ran fast as hell, maybe faster, but a leader? This was an athlete who didn't give a damn about 'the sport'. He didn't show any respect for anyone. Alan Webb, in less than a month, has given more to the sport than MJ did in ten years. MJ was a taker. malmo > You kidding, right? So does MJ have to dominate the world in > the 5000m to be > considered a "leader" in the sport of track & field? MJ > dominated the long > sprints for close to 10 years, making history in almost every > meet he ran in. > I'm definitely going to miss MJ because I may never see a 43 > 400m again. > > > Larry A. Morgan > Elizabeth Heat TC >
t-and-f: Curious coincidence
Netters: It is quite a conicidence from out NJ viewpoint that the two HS superstars, Alan Webb and Dathan Ritzenheim, will both be under NJ-bred college coaches, Mark Wetmore (Bernards) at Colorado and Ron Warhust (Nutley) at Michigan. Mark is still remembered here quite well, as his was a recent deparrute, but few recall that Ron was a CC star at Nutley about 40 years ago---a bit the better runner of the two in HS. On another topic that has been raised recently, I doubt we will (certainly I won't) ever see the selection method for either the WCs or Olympics changed. In fact, I would predict the Olympics never will be (to the extent of adding, as some suggest, a dozen Kenyans to the SC, as much as they might merit this) The hopes for the WCs are another matter. This could happened, at least in a limited fashion, and already had to a degree with the addition of the "wild card" previous champions. More to my concern right now is the situation in the middle and long distances with regard to qualifying marks. The first three in this year's USATF 1500, for example, cartianly belong at Edmonton and I hope will get a real shot at the qualifying mark under the best of conditions. Ed Grant
t-and-f: a huge loss to the sport
Larry, The point was about him being seen as a leader (which he is not). Yes, he accomplished great things on the track. Dominating the sprints for 10 years does not make you a leader or respected as one by your peers. It was never more evident what many athletes thought of him as a leader when it was their turn to pick one (flag bearer) in the OG. DMC While intelligent people can often simplify the complex, a fool is more likely to complicate the simple.
Re: t-and-f: theoretical match-race amongst young gods
- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > so let's suppose that Webb and Ritz and met at either GWI or the > Stanford Invite (choice of meet is simply the weekend exactly between > the showing of peak form for each, Webb in the Pre mile, Ritz in the > USATF 5K). > > And choosing a distance "exactly" between 1M and 3.107M (5K), they go > head-to-head at 2M. > > Who's the winner? With or without rabbits? Jason ___ Jason BlankHopkins Marine Station Enloe HS '92, Duke '96, Stanford ?? Oceanview Boulevard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pacific Grove, CA 93950 ___
RE: t-and-f: Golden Gala Results
A big one. As far as I can tell his PR before this was 8:21.50 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andrew Fitzhugh Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 8:31 PM To: T&F Listserve Subject: RE: t-and-f: Golden Gala Results > Golden Gala > Roma, 29-Jun-2001 ... > 3000 M STEEPLECHASE - MEN > Pts > 7 Broe Tim USA8:14.82 5.0 This is a good result for Broe -- is that a PR? -- Andy Andrew Fitzhugh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: t-and-f: Kenyan Champs
> > these results will undoubtedly be of interest to many of > you. Look at some of those times at altitude! Imagine what > would happen if they had another OG in Mexico City. > Yeah, imagine. Kip Keino would still be the fastest. malmo
Re: t-and-f: list makeup (was Webb could be the one)
The bookies must not be talking to Dwight. At the airport leaving Eugene, I asked and he said too many posts and not enough time... Ed Koch -Original Message- From: Randy Treadway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Saturday, June 23, 2001 10:39 AM Subject: t-and-f: list makeup (was Webb could be the one) > >> We've always had our sprinters, but we need an American distance runner >>out there if we want to get Joe Public's attention. Just look at the make up >>of this list. There is probably more written about distance running than any >>other event. > >This is something I've wondered about. I've been on this list >since mid-'95. >...and several current national-level elite or former elite have joined >the list over the yearsbut they seem to be mostly middle distance or distance >runners...there have been a scattered few others such as D-W-I-G-H-T who was >with us for a while (and Vegas bookies say will be back), who was a world >record holder in the high jump... >
Re: t-and-f: Golden Gala Results
Isn't Broe now the 5th fastest American? Steve S.
Re: t-and-f: a huge loss to the sport
Netters Larry wrote: You kidding, right? So does MJ have to dominate the world in the 5000m to be considered a "leader" in the sport of track & field? No, Larry, i am not kidding. But, You have mis understood what I meant by leader. What the original poster implied that MJ was "leader" as in captain. The kind of guy others keyed off of for performance. He may have been a leader in your sense - being first on the lists or being the best - but in any other sense of the word he was not. You can't lead some one or a group but making public statements that they don't deserve to even exist. Mike
Re: t-and-f: Previous rules to who can compete at the Worlds/ A standards
If I recall correctly, that was the race in which a thunderstorm rolled through and for several laps, it rained on the backstretch but not the homestretch! The drenched runners came around each lap to run past the dry spectators. Finally, the storm moved over and drenched us all. Most spectators ran under the grandstand while lookouts reported on the race. And I believe, that Virgin did not get his qualifier in those conditions. As a footnote, when I walked back to the hotel about a half mile away, the ground was completely dry there. Between that and the heat of the 1988 OT, I'll never be surprised by Indy weather again. Ed Koch -Original Message- From: malmo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, June 25, 2001 8:24 PM Subject: RE: t-and-f: Previous rules to who can compete at the Worlds/ A standards > > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 2:34 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: t-and-f: Previous rules to who can compete at the >> Worlds/ A standards >> >> >> hi, >> In 1983 at the first World Championships in Helsinki, >> Finland, the qualifier >> was held at Indianapolis. Bill McChesney ran the 5000 >> meters, and finished >> out of the top three (Doug Padilla, me, Jim Hill (of >> SportHill fame). I >> believe Chris Fox was 4th (then ran 13:21 at Oslo two weeks >> later, and Bill >> 5th. In the 10,000 meters, Craig Virgin won, with Alberto >> Salazar (U of >> Oregon) 2nd, and Mark Nenow 3rd. Craig either became sick or >> injured, and >> did not get the A standard. USATF moved Bill to the 10k, >> where he made the >> final. > >Ooops. I don't think that Virgin won that 3-way sprint, did he? > >malmo >
RE: t-and-f: Kenyan Champs
Also, those who have lived at altitude all their lives and have altitude "bred" in them aren't nearly as affected by it. Which is why Kenyans usually don't slow down as much at altitude. Alan >From: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: t-and-f: Kenyan Champs >Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 20:43:48 -0400 > > > > > these results will undoubtedly be of interest to many of > > you. Look at some of those times at altitude! Imagine what > > would happen if they had another OG in Mexico City. > > > >Yeah, imagine. Kip Keino would still be the fastest. > >malmo > _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
RE: t-and-f: Kenyan Champs
Also, those who have lived at altitude all their lives and have altitude "bred" in them aren't nearly as affected by it. Which is why Kenyans usually don't slow down as much at altitude. Alan _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
t-and-f: re: a leader in the sport
Larry, Mike was trying to say that even though MJ is the best in his event(s), he has done little to improve the sport for anyone but himself. He does not attend the Convention, is not a voice on the AAC, and is only concerned with his own career. He continued the same line of crap that Carl started - ME, ME, ME! He had teh power to make a real difference for the elite athletes, and especially the emerging elites, and sat on his fat ass instead. He will be remember as an athlete and nothing else. All the comparisons to Jesse Owens end on the track, where they should. MJR
t-and-f: Radcliffe fifth with record run
The Electronic Telegraph Saturday 30 June 2001 Tom Knight PAULA RADCLIFFE'S season moved up a gear in the Olympic Stadium last night when her consolation for finishing fifth in the Golden League 3,000 metres was a new British record. For an athlete aiming to win gold over 10,000m at the World Championships and with aspirations as a marathon runner, this was a hugely significant showing. Radcliffe, who hit the front with 500m to go, crossed the line in 8min 26.97sec, almost half a second quicker than the British record she set two years ago in Zurich. She was outsprinted around the final lap as victory went to Olga Yegorova, the world indoor champion over the distance, but with five women finishing inside 8min 30sec, it was no surprise. This was one of the quickest races over seven-and- a-half laps ever seen and Russians filled the first three places. Yelena Zadorozhnaya, who beat Radcliffe over 5,000m at last weekend's European Cup in Bremen, was second, in 8min 25.40sec. The pair meet again tomorrow in the Great Britain versus USA versus Russia match in Glasgow. The match will see Mark Richardson run his first individual 400m race since his reinstatement from a drug suspension. Richardson will line up alongside British rival Iwan Thomas with both runners seeking a return to form ahead of the World Championships in Edmonton. Thomas believes Richardson's return will help him recover the sort of form which brought him the European and Commonwealth titles in 1998. With four-time world champion Michael Johnson in semi-retirement and this year's fastest man, Tyree Washington, failing to make the US team, the race for gold in Edmonton is wide open. In Antonio Pettigrew, however, the British pair face the American who could end his career by regaining the title he won a decade ago at the World Championships in Tokyo. Pettigrew, 33, lines up for the USA after winning his fifth national title last week in Eugene. The highlight of the match at the Scotstoun Stadium should be the domestic clash in the 100m, where Dwain Chambers takes on the European Cup winner, Mark Lewis-Francis in their first clash since last summer's Olympic trials. Colin Jackson pits his wits against former Olympic 110m hurdles gold medallist Allen Johnson, whose time in Eugene, 13.22sec, was the fastest in the world this year. Eamonn Condon www.RunnersGoal.com
Re: t-and-f: a huge loss to the sport
The Amateur Sports Act requires 20%+ of the USATF Board of Directors to be "active" athletes but USATF (then TAC/USA) agreed in the early 1980's to give the athletes 20%+ of every committee. The Athletes Advisory Committee (AAC) oversees the appointment or election of athletes to all the committee slots. It also passes resolutions advising USATF of athletes' views on various matters. Current AAC officers are PattiSue Plumer (Chair), Joetta Clark (Vice Chair), Sharon Couch (Sec.), and Chris Huffins (Treas.). All serve on the USATF Board of Directors. By the way, anyone who competed on a USA national team in the past ten years qualifies as an "active" athlete. Ed Koch -Original Message-From: Conway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Ed & Dana Parrot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 't-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:09 PMSubject: Re: t-and-f: a huge loss to the sport I thought that there was an Athletes Advisory Committee ... Can someone outline what there function is ??? Or maybe more importantly how it is that they have been functioning ??? It was my belief that this body was supposed to represent the athletes and be their "voice" with respect to important matters ... Is this not being done ??? Who is on this committee ??? How much "voice" do they really have ??? Darrell or someone ... Conway Hill[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Ed & Dana Parrot To: 't-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail) Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 6:21 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: a huge loss to the sport I'd suggest that one of the primary responsible parties is the Athletes advisory committee. They are the ones who are supposed to communicate the desires of the athletes. Yet I have heard many athletes tell me that they don't adequately represent the athletes (or worse). One note on the rule changes - the Board just voted to oppose the IAAF rule changes because the athletes were opposed to them - that seems like a far superior attitude than any USATF, TAC or AAU Board has EVER had. - Ed Parrot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 5:20 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: a huge loss to the sport A big push for the nationals would be the reestablishment of the relationship between the federation and the athlete. There is none right now. It began decades ago and is now blowing up right before our eyes. This current wave of rule changes and proposals drove a stake between the two parties. The athletes feel as though they have a very limited voice, and that voice is often ignored. We will see a resurgence when the athletes feel as though they have a stake in the program. Right now they feel like slaves, and clowns performing for the masses. On top of it all, the athletes are the ones that get criticized, and take the hit, and the federation leaves them in the lurch. Bad business. DGS Faith is a road seldom traveled Let us run with patience the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith" Hebrews 12: 1-2
Re: t-and-f: a huge loss to the sport
In a message dated 06/29/2001 4:24:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We might note it is always the big time sprinter who want out of the Nationals. Why is that? They do not need the race. That is the simple answer. There are numerous races during the next weeks for the sprinters, especially the top sprinters, they have too many races at their disposal. I think it is a wonderful thing to glamorize the Nationals, but that is for fan purposes. There is very little that is glamorous about Nationals, it is hard work and extremely stressful in major years. Given the choice and/or opportunity it is a reward to not have to loses hair over the weekend. If you question the impact of Nationals just look at the results out of Rome. Yes, it was wet and cold, but the results were still lackluster. And when did this become a sprinter v distance topic? That has nothing to do with what we are discussing. If I were Dwight I would leave, but that is not my countenance. The anti-sprinter sentiment shows up in the most obscure discussions, and I am at a loss. Would it be fair to assume that many are upset with Maurice's decision because he is a sprinter, moreso than his actual actions? I see the longer this discussion goes on the closer we get to them v us, AGAIN! Why? I have not seen any complaints about Regina using the Nationals as her own personal workout session, subsequently taking a spot away from someone who may have had the race of their life in the final. My point is keep it to the actual subject matter. We can go all over the map here, there are enough of us to take this thing in any direction we see fit, let's not. DGS Faith is a road seldom traveled Let us run with patience the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith" Hebrews 12: 1-2
Re: t-and-f: a huge loss to the sport
>The Amateur Sports Act requires 20%+ of the USATF Board of Directors to be "active" athletes but USATF (then TAC/USA) >agreed in the early 1980's to give the athletes 20%+ of every committee. The Athletes Advisory Committee (AAC) oversees >the appointment or election of athletes to all the committee slots. It also passes resolutions advising USATF of athletes' views >on various matters. By the way, anyone who competed on a USA national team in the past ten years qualifies as an "active" >athlete. Ed Koch is correct that at least 20% of the Board must be athletes who are capable of representing the U.S. in international competition. However, the members of the Athletes Advisory Committee do not have be capable of representing the U.S. in international competition - they must be ELECTED by athletes who are, though. In practice, the committee members pretty much all are US team caliber athletes. One other note - in votes on bylaws and general USATF matters, the athletes advisory committee does not really have a direct vote (they get only 10 out of hundreds of votes). The voting for such matters is largely made up of the hundreds of people representing the USATF associations around the country. Now 20% of these people need to be active athletes, but they do not generally have to be "elite" athletes - a 50 year old recreational 5K runner will suffice. And since the elite athletes are rarely involved with their local associations (this is the fault of BOTH the athletes and the associations - plenty of blame to go around), most of them do not get named by their associations to represent the local association in voting matters. I am oversimplifying slightly, but I guess the point is that while the Athletes Advisory Committee wields quite a bit of practical power (despite conflicts between the stars and the rest of the national caliber athletes), ultimately they need to get involved on the local level to ensure their full voting rights. There are pros and cons to this but it is food for thought. - Ed Parrot
t-and-f: USATF Nationals: What's Wrong and Right With this Picture
Well, I wanted to contribute my 2 cents about the USATF nationals. First, what's wrong with this picture: Prize Money 2001 USATF Nationals the biggest US meet of the year with a lot of US national press coverage $375,000 Prize Money for they Buy.com Dayton Open held the same weekend as the US Nationals, that gets no national media coverage: $425,000 I actually see this thing as a positive because USATF can show what a good buy track and field is as a marketing event (unless corporations only buy sponsorships so they can put down a few beers with their clients in the sponsors tents). On that note, did they sell beer in Eugene? No, maybe they should because as I'm getting to they need to make track and field more entertaining. And they could have sponsors boxes for the sponsors. That turns me to the attendance figures in Eugene. Extremely disappointing. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I was expecting huge sellout crowds as I had heard so much about Eugene. But if track can't be sold to it's most hard core fans in the boring way it is presented, then things must be changed. What happened to the ideas of playing music between events, spicing up the presentation, etc. USATF floated some of these ideas but seems to have backed away from them. Well, this is 2001 and people first and foremost (not the hardcore track fans) want to be entertained at a track meet. Quite frankly, nearly all track meets have a lot of boring dead time that needs to be taken advantage of. Some minor league baseball teams average 10,000 fans a game. Is it too much to expect track to sell out it's nationals. (Well maybe it is, if they start the events in the middle of the afternoon on a Thursday, instead of waiting a bit so people who are working can see as much as the meet as possible before it got dark at 9pm) And to my highlight of the meet which hasn't been mentioned yet. The men's 1500m. The runners sprinting down the straight, the announcer (GH?) talking about Jennings and then Lassiter, and finally at the line he a bit dazzled says something like "It's Michael Stember!!!". No, it was Andy Downin, but that's what made it so great. -Weldon
