RE: Re: t-and-f: marathon qualifiers

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Two other contributing factors that have been mentioned before:

1. Other sports (soccer, triathlon) pulling away more potential distance runners they 
did twenty years ago; and

2. The USA birth rate bottomed out in the mid-1970's meaning there are fewer adults in 
their mid to late twenties these days. Fortunately, the birth rate has improved since 
then which may be a contributing factor to recent improvements in high school 
performances in our sport.

Ed Koch


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From: alan tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 23:20:53 +
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Subject: Re: t-and-f: marathon qualifiers


The problem is really quite simple, and it is 3-fold:

1. The US "elite" runners are not running nearly as hard/long as they were 
20-30 years ago. This is due in part to high school and college coaches 
adopting the high quality/low quantity approach. Three runners, three vast 
improvements in mileage, three of the best US marathoners we have had 
recently: Joe Lemay drops a 2:13 after upping to 140-150, David Morris drops 
a 2:09 after going to Japan and uppping to 150ish, Josh Cox qualifies for 
2000 Trials after upping to 100+ then drops to 2:13 after upping even 
further to the 130-150 range. 120 a week not working? Try 140. That not 
working? Try 160. Fact is there were more US "elite" runners 20-30 years ago 
running upwards of 150 or more a week.

2. US "elites" wait too long to try the marathon. Todd Williams best 
marathon days were back in '95-'96. We have three runners capable of sub 
2:10-2:11, but they are busy running 10ks on the track. The best US runners 
are too busy running 5ks and 10ks to worry about the marathons. 20-30 years 
ago a lot of the best US marathoners could hold their own on the track and 
the not-so-speedy made up the 2nd tier running 2:15s. Today, for the most 
part, the not-so-speedy runners make up the 1st tier.

3. Too much other stuff to worry about. Forget about the few examples of 
runners running 2:10 while working 50 hours a week. If you want to give 
yourself the best chance to excel in running then you can't be worn out from 
working 50 hours a week. Working 20-30 hours a week gives you a little cash 
plus more than enough time to put in the twice daily 10 mile runs that you 
need. A lot of the best college runners quit running seriously after college 
so they can pursue a job related to their degree.


All of these problems can be solved. The developmental groups (Hansons, 
Brownstone, Fila, ect) have started the ball rolling. Now a young runner has 
somewhere to go. Some, like Brownstone, have performance levels with varying 
perks. It's all a matter of finding young people willing to do whatever it 
takes, run farther and faster, and do the things necessary to succeed. Once 
that happens then US distance running will be fine.

Alan
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t-and-f: Mark Everett article

[Chas. L. Shaffer]

At 06:02 PM 11/9/2001 -0500, gh wrote:
>Taken into custody  in Gainesville last week, two incidences of "sexual 
>battery."

Gainesville newspaper article:


Bummer...I'm a Gator alum and I loved seeing him win the Trials at 
Sacramento last year...

Charley Shaffer
Seattle

t-and-f: T&FN 2001 U.S. Men's 50-deep lists

[DLTFNedit]

If you're like me, you're thinking cross country right now, but that's no reason why 
you can't still check out Track & Field News' "final" U.S. men's 50-deep lists for 
this year:
http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/lists/lists2001/usoutm.html

If there are any corrections, additions, misspellings, complaints, laments or musings, 
please send them to me, BUT NOT AT THIS ADDRESS.

PLEASE SEND TO:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Women's lists will hopefully be up in a week or so.

Thanks. Enjoy.
Dan Lilot
Statistician
Track & Field News

t-and-f: A diffferentkind of marathon story

[Ed Grant]

Netters:
Just thought this might counter the bad taste left by the latest
version of Rosie Ruiz and also give another angle on what makes a good
marathon runner.

There was once in NJ a runner named Cliff Whitehead. In HS--and he
went to one of the top CC schools in the nation, Christian brothers
Academy---he was last in every race and a decided last. It wasn't much
better in college.

Most runners would have thankfully retired at this point, but Coiff
was made of sterner stuff. Not built at all for a marathon runner, by modern
standards, he neverheless turned to that event and, by sheer persistance,
turned himself into a fine runner of what could be called the "second rank."
never challenging for national honors, but winning and placing regularly in
many racesa and eventually getting his time down to the 2:20 level. It
reallty seemed at times that he was running at full speed for the entire 26
miles plus.

Certainly, if Cliff could accomplishg this with what obviously were
meager natural talents, runners more gifted can accomplish more than we are
seeing on the roads today,.

Ed Grant

t-and-f: Kim McDonald is reported to have died

[Benji Durden]

Paul Christman of Running Stats has heard from a contact in England that Kim
McDonald, agent to many of the top Kenyans, has died of a heart attack in
Brisbane.

bd
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RE: t-and-f: Mark Everett arrested

[malmo]

Those things run on regular batteries too.

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Taken into custody  in Gainesville last week, two incidences of "sexual
battery." 

gh

t-and-f: Mark Everett arrested

[GHTFNedit]

Taken into custody  in Gainesville last week, two incidences of "sexual battery." 

gh

Re: t-and-f: McCLOY

[Mike Fanelli]

Tom Derderian wrote:


> Old age leads my friend Mike to exaggerate. You didn't have to go all the
> way into lane three to avoid flailing McCloy. You could have one foot on
the
> lane three line and still be safe.
> Tom

I guess I must have one of those BS meters after all

-MF



>
> > in my days as t & f promotions guy with Reebok (help me out here Mr
> > Derderian) we referred to Paul McCloy as "three lane"...because one
needed
> > to get out to at LEAST lane three to get around the guy
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike Fanelli
> > "your San Francisco Bay Area real estate resource"
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t-and-f: USATF welcomes athletes' petition for EPO testing

[Usatfcom99]

Contact:Jill M. Geer
317-261-0500
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http://www.usatf.org

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Friday, November 9, 2001

USATF welcomes athletes' petition for EPO testing

INDIANAPOLIS - USA Track & Field (USATF) on Friday welcomed a petition from 
18 of the United States' top women's distance runners calling for more 
frequent and stringent Erythropoietin (EPO) testing.

The petition was sent by U.S. athletes on November 7 to the International 
Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF), the World Anti-Doping Agency 
(WADA), the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) and USATF.

The petition states that it was sent "in hopes of raising the integrity of 
our sport and promoting a truly drug-free athletic environment. We recognize 
the recent efforts of USATF to support Erythropoietin (EPO) testing both in 
and out of competition.  … The acknowledgment of athletes using illegal drugs 
such as EPO and other performance enhancing drugs must be met with effective 
drug testing procedures to combat their use."

On October 25, USATF issued a formal request to USADA, WADA and the IAAF to 
have effective EPO testing performed at U.S. domestic championship events at 
all distances 800 meters and longer, as well as out of competition. That 
request came seven months after USATF made a written request to WADA on March 
7 to have EPO testing conducted at all major marathons worldwide. USADA, WADA 
and the IAAF conduct all drug testing of U.S. track and field athletes and 
adjudication of doping cases, domestically and internationally.

"We are proud to have our very best endurance athletes be at the forefront of 
the fight against EPO use," said USATF CEO Craig Masback. "We have always 
believed that eradicating EPO from our sport will especially benefit American 
athletes."

Signatories of the petition were Amy Rudolph, Deena Drossin, Jennifer Rhines, 
Suzy Favor Hamilton, Marla Runyan, Libbie Hickman, Regina Jacobs, Hazel 
Clark, Jearl Miles-Clark, Milena Glusac, Leah Daniel, Elva Dryer, Shayne 
Culpepper, Sarah Schwald, Rachel Sauder, Colleen De Reuck, Anne Marie Lauck 
and Joetta Clark Diggs.

# # #

Re: t-and-f: More on Franklin's cheating at NY

[Randall Edens]

Frankly, living in the Northwest from where this numbnut originates is a shame and embarrasment to all who get it done honestly here inWashington.  I know when I first saw NY results I was quite surprised to someone from Washington who did that well.  Especially he has been nowhere in local results, etc.,
I know my eyes will be open for this fruitcake so I can share with him a little piece of my mind.  Amazing.
Later,
--RE



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> > Martin 
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Re: t-and-f: marathon qualifiers

[alan tobin]

Oops...mean NCAA All-Americans. I type faster than I think

Alan


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>Specifically who are you referring to?  XC Americans as in former NCAA XC
>All-Americans, or XC Americans as in our representatives on the World XC
>Teams.  As far as I'm concerned, most of the "XC Americans" for the last 5
>years are still around.  Goucher, Rogers, Abdi, Meb, Culpepper, Hausers, 
>etc.
>are all "XC Americans" and they haven't gone anywhere...have they?
>
>Shoot, Nick Rogers just had a decent pay day on the roads a couple of days
>ago, so I'm certain he' hasn't gone anywhere.
>
>Maybe I misread the thread, and if so, my bad!
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Re: t-and-f: More on Franklin's cheating at NY

[Wayne T. Armbrust]

I hope that Franklin is criminally prosecuted for fraud by the NY Marathon
people and others where he collected or attempted to collect prize money, and
also suspended (or expelled) from the sport of Athletics by USA Track & Field
under provisions of Articles 18 & 19 of the Bylaws and Regulation 11 of the
Operating Regulations.  The NYRR Club should initiate these actions
immediately to preserve the integrity of the sport.

"Martin J. Dixon" wrote:

> I'm on digest so I apologize if this has already been posted. Someone just
> sent it to the Can list.
> http://www.letsrun.com/2001/franklincheat.html
> Regards,
>
> Martin

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Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA
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"Know the difference between right and wrong...
Always give your best effort...
Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..."
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t-and-f: More on Franklin's cheating at NY

[Martin J. Dixon]

I'm on digest so I apologize if this has already been posted. Someone just
sent it to the Can list.
http://www.letsrun.com/2001/franklincheat.html
Regards,


Martin

Re: t-and-f: McCLOY

[Tom Derderian]

Old age leads my friend Mike to exaggerate. You didn't have to go all the
way into lane three to avoid flailing McCloy. You could have one foot on the
lane three line and still be safe.
Tom
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From: "Mike Fanelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 4:34 AM
Subject: t-and-f: McCLOY


> in my days as t & f promotions guy with Reebok (help me out here Mr
> Derderian) we referred to Paul McCloy as "three lane"...because one needed
> to get out to at LEAST lane three to get around the guy
>
>
>
> Mike Fanelli
> "your San Francisco Bay Area real estate resource"
> Pacific Union Real Estate Group Ltd.
> (415) 447 - 6254
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.SFabode.com
> www.MarinHouseHunting.com
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>