t-and-f: Human Hydroplane

[John Lunn]

Those who like to argue (discuss) the topic of racing too much might
want to look at what Rotich has done in the last 2 weeks.
He ran the mile in the Boston indoor meet. Then, less than a week later,
he ran at Milrose winning the mile in 3:57.
The next day he went to Arkansas and won the mile in 3:57. Next, he is
scheduled to run the mile at the Nebraska meet on February 9.
John Lunn

t-and-f: NY Post Editorial that hits home with many of us!

[Bettwy, Bob]

http://www.infobeat.com/articles4/ent_tv_2_020602.html

NBC On A Slippery Slope in Utah 

NY Post 

Re: The Winter Olympics, which kick off Friday night. 

OK, NBC, think you can put on an Olympics telecast without screwing it up? 

Part of me remains ever hopeful, but another part of me seriously doubts it.


There's already been frightening talk that you've stockpiled dozens upon
dozens of those up-close-and-personal profiles that are loathed by everybody
but you. 

It's just one viewer's opinion, I guess, but every time one of these things
comes on in the middle of the Olympics, I want to throw a brick at my TV. 

Why? Because every minute spent telling me about the obstacles this or that
ice skater encountered in clawing their way to the top of their sport is a
minute taken away from the whole reason we're watching the Winter Olympics
in the first place - the competition. 

And if only the problem was just a matter of mere minutes. Your average
profile seems to be much longer than that - sometimes, if memory serves,
taking up entire segments between commercial breaks, which themselves have
been obscenely long in recent years. 

Now hear this, NBC: The game's the thing. 

I think we're all aware by now of the sacrifices made by all the skaters,
skiers, lugers and biathletes who have been rising before dawn since they
were four years-old for hour upon hour of impossibly rigorous workouts. 

I'm not cold-hearted; these people have my undying sympathy. I can only
imagine how tough it must be to work that hard for so many years from so
young an age. But as far as I know, no one put a gun to their heads to force
them into this lifestyle (or, if somebody did, now that would be a story
worth telling!). 

And anyway, the profiles often feel forced - like the producers who make
them are bending over backwards to find some incident in the backstory of
each athlete's life that will make their Olympic odyssey all the more
meaningful. 

To which I say: What could be more meaningful than the games themselves?
Here's some advice on the proliferation of profiles during Olympics
telecasts: Put a cork in it. 

And while you're at it, NBC, why don't you put a gag on your commentators
too? 

The other day, I caught an ice-skating exhibition on PBS that was notable
for one amazing characteristic: Silence. Can you imagine? All you saw and
heard were the skaters and their music. And you know what? Without some
burbling jackass telling you what you were fully capable of seeing for
yourself, the telecast was a pure pleasure. 

I wish I could say the same about recent Olympics telecasts. 

When you're not telling us how many children an Olympic athlete has, you're
jamming so many commercials into the telecasts that it's become impossible
to follow the actual events. 

Maybe the problem is that somewhere along the line, the Olympics became too
unwieldy for network TV to present and viewers to digest. 

But the trend can be reversed, NBC, if you'll just keep your eye on the
proverbial ball - or puck, in the case of the Winter Games. 

And leave the profiles to People magazine. 



Bob Bettwy
Director - Program Control
Washington Group
SRS Technologies
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(703) 351-7266
FAX (703) 522-2891

Re: t-and-f: Goucher was Jacobs Enters U.S. Cross Country Championships

[Martin J. Dixon]

"B. Kunnath" wrote:

> any news about Adam Gouchers participation, or what his plans are for this
> year?
> Bob
>
> _
> Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

Go here for a Goucher update:
http://www.runningstats.com/Pages/743/Players.html
Regards,


Martin

t-and-f: Advice to HS kids (was: Goucher)

[Buck Jones]

Sorry if this is a little off the mark from the 'elite' described in the
list charter, but note the quote in this article by CU assistant coach Jason
Drake:
"A kid who shows interest in us is who we're interested in."

The absolute  BEST piece of advice to give highschool kids interested in
collegiate running, and the first one I say any time I'm asked:
Write to the program you're interested in (I REALLY wish someone had given
me that comment in highschool).  Coaches very, very rarely will contact you
first.

Please pass that on to any highschooler's you know.

Stepping down from the soapbox now (but taking it with me for later use),
Buck





- Original Message -
From: "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "B. Kunnath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Goucher was Jacobs Enters U.S. Cross Country
Championships


>
>
> "B. Kunnath" wrote:
>
> > any news about Adam Gouchers participation, or what his plans are for
this
> > year?
> > Bob
> >
> > _
> > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
>
> Go here for a Goucher update:
> http://www.runningstats.com/Pages/743/Players.html
> Regards,
>
>
> Martin
>
>
>

Re: t-and-f: NY Post Editorial that hits home with many of us!

[Ssd]

So the way you resolve this problem is to watch or do something else, which 
is what I normally do.  I will be in New York at the start doing a track 
meet!  But hey; you guys on the East Coast at least will have the opportunity 
to watch the Games live.  We in LA get a one hour tape delayfrom Salt 
Lake!
Scott

t-and-f: National Depth--Multi-event

[Roger Ruth]

These are the last of the charts that summarize the number of athletes each
country placed in the world top-100 rankings for 2001 and the
highest-ranked of these for each event. Since one or two placings may
represent only exceptional individuals, rather than national program
strength, I've truncated the lists to countries with three placings or
more. The data base drawn upon is the world list from Mirko Jalava's web
site .


MEN'S DECATHLON 2001WOMEN'S HEPTATHLON 2001
Country  Top 100  Highest   Country  Top 100  Highest

Germany 20  10  Russia  13   2
United States   14   9  United States   10   6
France   7   2  Germany  9   7
Russia   5   5  China5  11
Ukraine  5   6  Czech Republic   5  25
Spain5  39  Finland  5  29
Czech Republic   4   1  France   4   1
Austria  4  22  Italy4  21
Finland  4  25  Ukraine  4  30
Estonia  3   3  Poland   4  32
Australia3  19
Great Britain3  34
Greece   3  44

32 countries represented31 countries represented
100th = 7562100th = 5634

BTW--I now have all of the 2001 national depth posts as a single e-mail
list. If you'd like a copy, contact me off-list.

Roger

Re: t-and-f: Human Hydroplane

[James Dunaway]

Don't we, perhaps, respect the four-minute mile a little
too much? After all, a 3:57 mile is somewhat equivalent to
a 1:48 800 meters, which wouldn't exactly blow anyone's
mind if it were done thrice in 7 or 8 days (in fact, if
he were a Kenyan, you might think he had mono).

Sometimes I think that the mystique of four minutes is a
hindrance to American milers, since they think that once
they have broke 4:00 they are world class runners.

They ain't. In fact, them days is long gone -- like, maybe,
thirty years

jim dunaway



At 07:11 AM 2/6/02 -0700, you wrote:
>Those who like to argue (discuss) the topic of racing too much might
>want to look at what Rotich has done in the last 2 weeks.
>He ran the mile in the Boston indoor meet. Then, less than a week later,
>he ran at Milrose winning the mile in 3:57.
>The next day he went to Arkansas and won the mile in 3:57. Next, he is
>scheduled to run the mile at the Nebraska meet on February 9.
>John Lunn
>
>

t-and-f: Re: Goucher - U.S. Cross Country Championships

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hi.  Fred Finke Here.
 I was in Colorado last week watching a meet at the USAFA and Colorado was there.  
Adam's sister and Brother-In-Law happen to be my sons sponsor at the Air Force Academy 
and Adam and his wife were there cheering his sister-in-law on as well.  I talked to 
Adam for a while and although his training is going well, he is probably going to skip 
the XC trials to get a good year of training in.  Rumor has it he is going to try for 
a FAST mile this year.  He may be a force to deal with if all goes according to his 
plans. What a great guy. JMHO.

Fred Finke
USATF LDR executive committee



Original Message:
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From: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:37:04 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Goucher was Jacobs Enters U.S. Cross Country Championships




"B. Kunnath" wrote:

> any news about Adam Gouchers participation, or what his plans are for this
> year?
> Bob
>
> _
> Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

Go here for a Goucher update:
http://www.runningstats.com/Pages/743/Players.html
Regards,


Martin




mail2web - Check your email from the web at
http://mail2web.com/ .

RE: t-and-f: Human Hydroplane

[Post, Marty]

Consider this:

On a Feb 13/Feb 14, Steve Scott ran 3:56.8 in Toronto and 3:59.4 in Ottawa.

On Feb 20/Feb 21 Scott ran 3:51.8 (career indoor PR) in San Diego and 3:59.4
in San Francisco.

And for good measure on Feb 27 he ran 3:57.3 at national indoors in New York
City.

That was 21 years ago, 1981.

(Of course, this can never be duplicated since there aren't five North
American meets in three consecutive weekends that even have miles any more.)

-Original Message-
From: John Lunn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 9:11 AM
To: track&field server
Subject: t-and-f: Human Hydroplane


Those who like to argue (discuss) the topic of racing too much might
want to look at what Rotich has done in the last 2 weeks.
He ran the mile in the Boston indoor meet. Then, less than a week later,
he ran at Milrose winning the mile in 3:57.
The next day he went to Arkansas and won the mile in 3:57. Next, he is
scheduled to run the mile at the Nebraska meet on February 9.
John Lunn

t-and-f: another WR for Feofanova

[Bob Ramsak]

Feofanova WR again, Borza loses.  Story at
http://www.energizer-euroseries.com/2002/index.cfm?file=article.cfm&Art_ID=1
1


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t-and-f: the value of numbers (was: Human Hydroplane

[GHTFNedit]

In a message dated Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:39:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, James Dunaway 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Don't we, perhaps, respect the four-minute mile a little too much? >>

All depends who "we" is. I think the sport's hard-core statisticians (yeah, that 
includes me) did the sport a great disservice by trying to pound home the 
"irrelevance" of the 4:00 mile lo those many decades ago.

But for the most important people--the athletes and the fans--it still has its luster, 
just as does a 1000y rusher in the NFL (even though the season has gone from 12 games 
to 16), a 20-goal scorer in hockey, 50 homers, etc., etc.

If it's a nice round number that has magic simply becuase of its roundness, forget 
trying to demythify it. Use its strength to help build the sport, not tear it down.

gh

t-and-f: Running Trax

[Jay Stuckey]

Does anyone know where I can get a copy of "Running Trax".  I am a high
school coach in Louisiana.  I have tried about ten of the T&F supply
companies in the US to no avail.  I thought I had one located with a
company in England, but that feel through.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Jay Stuckey
Head CC/T&F Coach
Sumner High School
Kentwood, Louisiana
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

t-and-f: Running Trax

[Jay Stuckey]

Does anyone know where I can get a copy of "Running Trax".  I am a high
school coach in Louisiana.  I have tried about ten of the T&F supply
companies in the US to no avail.  I thought I had one located with a
company in England, but that feel through.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Jay Stuckey
Head CC/T&F Coach
Sumner High School
Kentwood, Louisiana
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

t-and-f: HS Weight Throw meet in RI on March 3

[Steve Vaitones]

An indoor Weight Throw  Competition for high school throwers will be held
on Sunday, March 3, at Brown University in Providence RI
For an MS Word attachment of the entry form, please contact me directly

WEIGHTARAMA 2002
SUNDAY MARCH 3, 2002,  1:30 pm
SANCTIONED BY USA TRACK & FIELD
SPONSORED BY
 M-F ATHLETIC COMPANY
 PROVIDENCE COBRAS TRACK CLUB
 THE RHODE ISLAND TRACK & FIELD FOUNDATION

ORDER OF EVENTS and standards
  HIGH SCHOOL BOYS' 25#   47'
  HIGH SCHOOL GIRLS' 20#28'
  HIGH SCHOOL BOYS' 35# (TIME PERMITTING)  40' / or 52' with the 20lb
Steve Vaitones
Managing Director
USA Track & Field - New England Association
P.O.Box 1905
Brookline MA 02446-0016
Phone: 617 566 7600
Fax: 617 734 6322
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.usatfne.org

RE: t-and-f: the value of numbers (was: Human Hydroplane

[Oleg Shpyrko]

Perhaps a somewhat different angle - so a 3:29/3:47 guy Rotich does three or
four 3:57 or equivalent
races (by the way, he was racing 1000m in Boston - not mile, and lost to
Krummenacker) in 2 weeks.
If, say, Jason Pyrah did 3 or 4 4:05 mile races in 2 weeks we'd be saying
that he is a 3:55 guy
wasting his talent - a textbook example of overracing.
My feeling is that appearance and prize money have something to do with
Rotich's frequency of racing.
Oleg.


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 3:52 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: t-and-f: the value of numbers (was: Human Hydroplane
>
>
> In a message dated Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:39:18 PM Eastern Standard
> Time, James Dunaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Don't we, perhaps, respect the four-minute mile a little too much? >>
>
> All depends who "we" is. I think the sport's hard-core
> statisticians (yeah, that includes me) did the sport a great
> disservice by trying to pound home the "irrelevance" of the 4:00
> mile lo those many decades ago.
>
> But for the most important people--the athletes and the fans--it
> still has its luster, just as does a 1000y rusher in the NFL
> (even though the season has gone from 12 games to 16), a 20-goal
> scorer in hockey, 50 homers, etc., etc.
>
> If it's a nice round number that has magic simply becuase of its
> roundness, forget trying to demythify it. Use its strength to
> help build the sport, not tear it down.
>
> gh

Re: t-and-f: the value of numbers (was: Human Hydroplane

[Ed and Dana Parrot]

> > Don't we, perhaps, respect the four-minute mile a little too much? >>
>
> All depends who "we" is. I think the sport's hard-core statisticians
(yeah, that includes me) did the sport a great disservice by trying to pound
home the "irrelevance" of the 4:00 mile lo those many decades ago.
>
> But for the most important people--the athletes and the fans--it still has
its luster, just as does a 1000y rusher in the NFL (even though the season
has gone from 12 games to 16), a 20-goal scorer in hockey, 50 homers, etc.,
etc.
>
> If it's a nice round number that has magic simply becuase of its
roundness, forget trying to demythify it. Use its strength to help build the
sport, not tear it down.
>
> gh
>

Absolutely.  Even now, with the marathon craze, etc, when a non-runner finds
out that I'm a runner, by far the number one question is "what is your time
for the mile?"  When I tell them, the fact that it begins with "4:" never
fails to elicit a positive recognition.

My wife has a PR of 5:01, and I keep telling her she needs to knock it down
by 2 seconds and people will be exponentially more impressed.  Of course,
she then points out how close her marathon PR is to mine, and that usually
shuts me up :)

- Ed Parrot

Re: t-and-f: Running Trax

[Wayne T. Armbrust]

Jay Stuckey wrote:

> Does anyone know where I can get a copy of "Running Trax".  I am a high
> school coach in Louisiana.  I have tried about ten of the T&F supply
> companies in the US to no avail.  I thought I had one located with a
> company in England, but that feel through.
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Jay Stuckey
> Head CC/T&F Coach
> Sumner High School
> Kentwood, Louisiana
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: t-and-f: the value of numbers (was: Human Hydroplane

[DLTFNedit]

In a message dated Wed, 6 Feb 2002  3:54:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> In a message dated Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:39:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, James Dunaway 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Don't we, perhaps, respect the four-minute mile a little too much? >>
> 
> All depends who "we" is. I think the sport's hard-core statisticians (yeah, that 
>includes me) did the sport a great disservice by trying to pound home the 
>"irrelevance" of the 4:00 mile lo those many decades ago.
> 
> But for the most important people--the athletes and the fans--it still has its 
>luster, just as does a 1000y rusher in the NFL (even though the season has gone from 
>12 games to 16), a 20-goal scorer in hockey, 50 homers, etc., etc.
> 
> If it's a nice round number that has magic simply becuase of its roundness, forget 
>trying to demythify it. Use its strength to help build the sport, not tear it down.
> 
> gh


Agreed. I still don't understand why the NCAA outdoor meet doesn't run a mile. 
C'mon!!! I think USATF should also lobby the IAAF harder about a mile qualifying time 
for the Worlds and Olympics. It's not like the U.S. is the only country that holds 
mile races. Why not let a 3:43 mile (and anything faster than the 1500 qualifier 
equivalent) qualify for the Worlds? I think the IAAF is open to ideas to help 
countries such as the U.S. promote the sport. The mile at the USATF meet (and thus the 
mile at virtually "all" U.S. meets) would be a good start.
sideshow

Re: t-and-f: the value of numbers (was: Human Hydroplane

[Martin J. Dixon]

I think the IAAF would bend over backwards to make it easier to get 3:43
milers into the worlds:-).
Regards,


Martin



- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: t-and-f: the value of numbers (was: Human Hydroplane


> In a message dated Wed, 6 Feb 2002  3:54:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > In a message dated Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:39:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
James Dunaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Don't we, perhaps, respect the four-minute mile a little too much? >>
> >
> > All depends who "we" is. I think the sport's hard-core statisticians
(yeah, that includes me) did the sport a great disservice by trying to pound
home the "irrelevance" of the 4:00 mile lo those many decades ago.
> >
> > But for the most important people--the athletes and the fans--it still
has its luster, just as does a 1000y rusher in the NFL (even though the
season has gone from 12 games to 16), a 20-goal scorer in hockey, 50 homers,
etc., etc.
> >
> > If it's a nice round number that has magic simply becuase of its
roundness, forget trying to demythify it. Use its strength to help build the
sport, not tear it down.
> >
> > gh
> 
>
> Agreed. I still don't understand why the NCAA outdoor meet doesn't run a
mile. C'mon!!! I think USATF should also lobby the IAAF harder about a mile
qualifying time for the Worlds and Olympics. It's not like the U.S. is the
only country that holds mile races. Why not let a 3:43 mile (and anything
faster than the 1500 qualifier equivalent) qualify for the Worlds? I think
the IAAF is open to ideas to help countries such as the U.S. promote the
sport. The mile at the USATF meet (and thus the mile at virtually "all" U.S.
meets) would be a good start.
> sideshow

t-and-f: Feofanova's 4.72m

[Roger Ruth]

Earlier today, Bob Ramsak noted a second world indoor best for Russia's
Svetlana Feofanova, this time in head-to-head competition with Stacy
Dragila. Here is the indoor progression, as I have it, since Dragila's
first 15-foot vault. I would think all of these, with the likely exception
of Dragila's 15', would have been metric measurements. As always,
corrections will be greatly appreciated. RR

4.56Nicole Rieger-Humbert (GER)   99-02-25 Stockholm
4.5715' Stacy Dragila (USA)   00-02-19 Pocatello
4.6115' 1 1/2"  Stacy Dragila (USA)   00-02-19 Pocatello
4.6215' 1 3/4"  Stacy Dragila (USA)   00-03-03 Atlanta
4.6315' 2 1/4"  Stacy Dragila (USA)   01-02-02 New York
4.6615' 3 1/4"  Stacy Dragila (USA)   01-02-09 Pocatello
4.7015' 5"  Stacy Dragila (USA)   01-02-17 Pocatello
4.7115' 5 1/4"  Svetlana Feofanova(RUS)   02-02-03 Stuttgart

4.7215' 5 3/4"  Svetlana Feofanova(RUS)   02-02-06 Stockholm