t-and-f: question?
There was a website...Canadian I believe...it was a tool were you can get point values for different running events on the track and actually compare male and female times. I seem to have lost the link to it. Anybody out there know what I am talking about? A.C.
t-and-f: Aussies pay homage to 'Deek'
http://www.thedailycamera.com/sports/bolderboulder02/25sbolde.html By Michael Sandrock For the Daily Camera When Andrew Letherby and Shaun Creighton went out for a training run Wednesday morning, they left the Trident Cafe downtown and ran past Lorraine Moller's house, then looped through Wonderland Hills down Poplar Avenue to a certain townhouse. It did not look much different from other townhomes in the area, but for the two Australians it was a kind of shrine. That is because the house was where Rob de Castella and his family lived for five years on and off when he was the best marathoner in the world. Letherby and Creighton #8212; who both will be racing the Bolder Boulder 10K professional team race on Monday #8212; bowed down in tribute to de Castella in a Hail the King gesture, then continued their run. Next they ran by Bolder Boulder co-founder Frank Shorter's house, then hooked up with ex-marathon world record holder Steve Jones. They ran with Jones for a few miles, stopped at his house for some water and conversation, then continued their run. We had to visit 'Deek's' house, explained Creighton, the Australian national record holder for 10,000 meters (27:31.92) and the steeplechase (8:16.22). Deek is someone both Andrew and I look up to, in part because of his two Commonwealth Games marathon gold medals. He was always a hero and idol of mine, and I was lucky that he became a friend and training partner. Creighton, who will finish up his law degree this fall, is an astute student of his sport and of geography #8212; he can name the capital of nearly every country in the world. According to Creighton, Boulder figures into the history of long-distance running because of the many champions who live, and have lived, in town. Deek spent many of his best running years here, and we wanted to pay homage to the great man, said Creighton, 35. Then obviously Jonsey, as the world record holder (2:08:05 in 1985), is someone we respect and admire. And if you have two Olympic medals like Frank does, that is an incredible career. Then Lorraine had a very long and successful career and finally got her Olympic medal late in her career. Boulder is full of people like that ... Hopefully this year I can get the Commonwealth medal, late in my career. Many of the elite runners are here because of the Bolder Boulder. Each year the race brings a dozen elite teams or more, and some of those international runners end up liking the area and coming back to train. Creighton is one of them. He won the Pearl Street Mile four years ago, after coming to Boulder to train with U.S. Olympic marathoner Mark Coogan. Now based in Albuquerque, Creighton said the Australians are fielding a strong Bolder Boulder team this year and will be looking to end up in the money, among the first seven teams. We have the same team as last year, but we are all fitter, said Creighton. I think we should all run 20 or 30 seconds faster. Andrew and Kim (Gillard) are both good runners and both are good on the roads. The spots from second through seventh should be really tight, and we are hoping for a top-five finish. If all three of us have a good run, we will be all right. Like many observers, Creighton pegs the Kenyans as the favorites. We think the Kenyans are unbeatable, and the Americans are very solid. But the Kenyans are the only ones we are conceding to. Creighton rarely concedes a race to anyone. He is coming off a 7 minute, 49 second clocking over 3,000 meters last weekend against some of the best Kenyans in the world, and a fifth-place finish a week earlier at the Bloomsday 12K. Defending Bolder Boulder champion James Koskei won that race with Bolder teammate Dominic Kirui third. I was pretty close to Kirui, said Creighton, so I am confident I can run with the lead pack here. You might think that doing a two-hour run five days before the Bolder Boulder might be a bit much, but Creighton says he did the same thing in 1996 when he broke Ron Clarke's national record in the 10,000 meters. It seems to work for me. One attraction of the Bolder Boulder, said Creighton, is that it allows him to compete for Australia. You are running for yourself and for your country. That adds a special element. While he said Koskei remains the favorite for Monday race, Creighton said he believes Alan Culpepper of Superior should place in the top three, and he sees himself in the top 10. I am just going to see how the race goes. If the pace is reasonable, I will go with the lead group. A lot depends on how the race unfolds and how I am feeling. Later this summer, Creighton and Letherby will both run the Commonwealth Games marathon in Manchester, England. Creighton will then be going for a fast marathon time at Chicago this fall. Before he leaves Boulder next week, Creighton will try and take one more Homage
Re: t-and-f: Longetivity of state prep records
After checking the ihsa.org site, it's clear that Illinois has solved the issue of combining yard and metric records by retaining the yard performances only if they are absolutely (i.e.unconverted) faster than the times for the shorter metric races. Thus Virgin's 8:42.6 for 2 miles is listed as the 3200 record even though he ran faster, of course, for 3200 while en route (unless, like Pogo, he coverd it in nothing flat). Better than nothing, I guess, but if some future kid runs 8:42.0 for 3200 Virgin will disappear from the record list even though he clearly was faster. It's puzzling and frustrating that the honchos in the state associations, who are mostly old fogies (like me) aren't more interested in giving due credit to the great athletes of the past, athletes they are, presumably, familiar with. It's also puzzling/disappointing that they fail to utilize the TFN conversions. Track is their religion so why don't they use the Bible of the Sport? Geoff From: Dave Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Dave Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Longetivity of state prep records Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 21:03:38 -0700 (PDT) For Illinois, check www.ihsa.org and follow the link to track and field. There have been some great runners from Illinois. The 800/880 record has been around for 20+ years. The 3200/2 mile record is 30 years old (Craig Virgin in 1972) = Dave Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Re: t-and-f: question?
Same source as the wind/altitude conversions. http://desert.jsd.claremont.edu/~newt/index.html See the mathematical models. I have cc'd Jonas if anyone wants to contact him. Regards, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was a website...Canadian I believe...it was a tool were you can get point values for different running events on the track and actually compare male and female times. I seem to have lost the link to it. Anybody out there know what I am talking about? A.C.
t-and-f: ILLINOIS boys AA A
Saturday, May 25, 2002 Illinois High School Association Boys State Track and Field Championships. www.ihsa.org Two-class system (big schools and small schools) Charleston, Ill. Eastern Illinois University Nine lanes around Partly Cloudy 74°F UV Index: 6 Moderate Wind:From the West at 14 mph, gusting to 24 mph Dew Point: 63°F Humidity: 68 % Visibility: Unlimited Barometer: 29.93 inches and steady Class AA: 1:50/4:10/48-10/175174/13.7913.82/36.84/21.61/7:44 Class A: Ryan Shields,Sr., Chicago (Leo): 10.77/21.41/46.76. Boys Track Field 2002 Class AA (big Schools) State Final Saturday Results Pl. School Points 1 South Holland (Thornwood) 74 2 Decatur (MacArthur)44 3 Wheaton (North)39 4 Edwardsville (H.S.)29 5 Rock Island (H.S.) 28 6 Country Club Hills (Hillcrest) 24 7 East St. Louis (Sr.) 22 7 Wheaton (W. Warrenville South) 22 9 Chicago (Mt. Carmel) 18 9 Chicago Heights (Bloom Twp.) 18 Long Jump 1 Chris Williams (Sr.), Peoria (H.S.)22' 11 3/4 2 Ken Carson (Sr.), Decatur (MacArthur) 22' 4 1/2 3 Leslie Majors (So.), South Holland (Thornwood) 22' 4 1/4 4 Will Henderson (Jr.), Belleville (East)22' 3 1/4 Pole Vault 1 Ben Brokaw (Sr.), Dixon15' 0 2 Justin Kozak (Jr.), Berwyn-Cicero (Morton) 15' 0 3 Charles Williams (Sr.), Quincy (Sr.) 14' 6 4 Ryan Lynn (Jr.), Roselle (Lake Park) 14' 6 4 Dave Viken (Jr.), Rolling Meadows 14' 6 6 Jon Blome (Jr.), Pekin 14' 3 Shot Put 1 Matt Whalen (Sr.), Algonquin (Jacobs) 58' 5 2 Brett Farmer (Jr.), Hoffman Estates (H.S.) 57' 3 3/4 3 Sean Delahunt (Jr.), Pekin 57' 1 4 Matt Cook (So.), Canton56' 9 3/4 Triple Jump 1 Karl King (Jr.), Cahokia 48' 10 1/2 2 Steve Daniel (Jr.), Decatur (MacArthur)47' 6 1/2 3 Corey Downden (Sr.), Richton Park (Rich South) 47' 3 4 Reggie Anthony (Jr.), Edwardsville (H.S.) 47' 1 Discus Throw 1 Richard Ballard (Sr.), Mattoon 175' 5 2 Marc Holt (Jr.), Flossmoor (Homewood-F.) 174' 0 3 Luka Ulicevic (Sr.), Wheaton (W. Warrenville South)169' 8 4 Edward Murray (Jr.), Bartonville (Limestone) 169' 1 5 Cody Roberts (Jr.), Normal (Community) 166' 2 6 Akim Millington (Jr.), Wheaton (North) 164' 6 7 Jovica Grbic (Jr.), Darien (Hinsdale South)163' 7 3200-Meter Run Final Section No. 2 (NOTE: 7th: son of Ken Popejoy; 8th: state XC winner) 1 Micah VanDenend (Sr.), Glen Ellyn (Glenbard South) 9:17.67 2 Matt Withrow (So.), Tinley Park (Andrew) 9:20.94 3 Scot Frazin (Sr.), Highland Park 9:22.16 4 Steve Maltas (Sr.), Arlington Heights (Hersey) 9:23.66 5 Tom Longo (Sr.), Northbrook (Glenbrook North) 9:23.80 6 Kevin Doran (Jr.), Murphysboro 9:24.47 7 Mike Popejoy (So.), Wheaton (W. Warrenville South) 9:24.95 8 Sam Romanoski (Jr.), Lake Zurich 9:28.31 110-Meter High Hurdles 1 A.J. Harris (Sr.), Wheaton (North) :13.79 2 Eric Mitchum (Sr.), Chicago (Mt. Carmel) :13.82 3 Marcus Lesley (Sr.), South Holland (Thornwood) :14.21 4 Adrian Walker (Sr.), Decatur (MacArthur) :14.35 5 Jason George (Sr.), Zion (Z.-Benton) :14.49 6 Eric Steffen (Sr.), Springfield (Lanphier) :14.50 7 Matt Schmidt (Sr.), Freeport (H.S.):14.94 8 Enrique Cook (Sr.), Chicago (Mt. Carmel) :14.96 9 Tyler Waters (Jr.), Buffalo Grove :15.16 100-Meter Dash 1 Tyreese Andrews (Jr.), Chicago Heights (Bloom Twp.):10.75 2 Marquice Cole (Sr.), Country Club Hills (Hillcrest):10.75 3 Waylond Ryan (So.), Rock Island (H.S.) :10.92 4 Dion Ballentine (Sr.), South Holland (Thornwood) :10.93 200-Meter Dash 1 A.J. Harris (Sr.), Wheaton (North) :21.61 2 Dion Ballentine (Sr.), South Holland (Thornwood) :21.70 3 Waylond Ryan (So.), Rock Island (H.S.) :21.88 4 Rondell Williams (So.), Chicago (Phillips) :21.90 5 Greg Webb (Jr.), Wheaton (W. Warrenville South):21.92 6 Keith Heerdegen (Jr.), Vernon Hills:22.06 7 Damian Banks (Sr.), East St. Louis (Sr.) :22.16 8 Frankie Oliver (Sr.), Country
t-and-f: On state records
Netters: I guess I've been keeping state records about as long as anyone, so here's how I handle them in NJ: 1) The records must be set in open competition during the school years---Sept. 1-June 30 2) I have separate records for all-HS competition and open competition: e.g., Marty Liquori's 3:59.8 is listed, but so it the HS-only mark 3) If an imperial mark is superior to the metric mark, it covers both events---the mile and 2M are the only sidtances presently in that situation. Our state association keeps no records outside of its own championship meets. When metrics were itroduced here in 1980, they promptly threw out all the previous records---including those for field events! It had taken quite a while to get all of them restored. Best example of this is the indoor mile all-group mark of 4;06.6, set in 1973 by Vince Cartier. On several occasions it was announced at the indoor state meet that the 1600-meter mark was broken, once by a Scotch Plains coach serving as announcer. Ed Grant.
t-and-f: Tirles in three centuries
Netters: I wonder how many high or prep schools can claim to have won major team titles in thrtee centuries. We now have two of them in new Jersey Lawrenceville School, our third-oldest prep school (founded 1810 and one of the few schools in the counry to have a movie made about it), was first there when it won a state prep meet in 2001 to go along with several 19th century wins in what passed for a state meet in those days (our state association dates from 1919) It then won countless state honors during the 20th century. Today, Montclair HS joined the list when its girls' team won the North jersey 2 Group IV title at Roxbury, led by Stanford-bound Jennifer Whitlock, who tripled the sprints and 100H. The Mounties won at least once in thos 19th cenrtury meets and was the dominant team in the state for much of the 20th century. It is also a school which has had just four head coaches in the past 80+ years, the current one being Ray Spivey, who was a member of one of the best Montclair teams in 1956. I'll have a fuller report on the sectionals later, but Ray Williams of Scotch Plains highlighted first-day action on FRiday with a 47.5 win in the North Jersey 2 Group III meet. Ed Grant
t-and-f: Mo (as in More) Money Greene
Y ask: Landon Hall of The Associated Press, writing from Eugene, notes the presence of Mo Greene at the Pre. Here's Hall's explanation of why Mo won't toe the line in a fabulous 100 field: Greene isn't competing Sunday because Nike is the chief sponsor of the meet. After Greene's endorsement contract with the Oregon-based company ran out, he signed a lucrative deal with Adidas earlier this month. Nike requires its top athletes to compete in the Pre, but non-Nike stars generally are paid appearance fees. Because meet director Tom Jordan expected Greene to re-sign with Nike, he didn't leave any money in his budget for Greene. Me again: Ooh-Kay! But Greene is ALREADY THERE! Forgive my naivete, but what's to stop Maurice from RUNNING FOR FREE! Horrors! Stop the presses! Is that what the sport has come to? No cash, no dash? I realize he has an entourage to support, but it's only 100 meters, for crying out loud! (Now, if it were 400, then I could picture an expectation of remuneration.) Ken Stone http://www.masterstrack.com
Re: t-and-f: Mo (as in More) Money Greene
I think this is an exceptional circumstance (maybe adidas should pay Mo a bonus to run; why didn't HSI look a head?) but, under normal conditions, sticking with the list's baseball theme of this week, would a Major League Baseball player pinch hit for free? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Y ask: Landon Hall of The Associated Press, writing from Eugene, notes the presence of Mo Greene at the Pre. Here's Hall's explanation of why Mo won't toe the line in a fabulous 100 field: Greene isn't competing Sunday because Nike is the chief sponsor of the meet. After Greene's endorsement contract with the Oregon-based company ran out, he signed a lucrative deal with Adidas earlier this month. Nike requires its top athletes to compete in the Pre, but non-Nike stars generally are paid appearance fees. Because meet director Tom Jordan expected Greene to re-sign with Nike, he didn't leave any money in his budget for Greene. Me again: Ooh-Kay! But Greene is ALREADY THERE! Forgive my naivete, but what's to stop Maurice from RUNNING FOR FREE! Horrors! Stop the presses! Is that what the sport has come to? No cash, no dash? I realize he has an entourage to support, but it's only 100 meters, for crying out loud! (Now, if it were 400, then I could picture an expectation of remuneration.) Ken Stone http://www.masterstrack.com
t-and-f: TV Reminder-Pre Classic
Sunday's Prefontaine Classic will be shown on ESPN2 from11pm-12:30am on the East Coast, 8pm-9:30pm on the West Coast. Larry Rawson, Dwight Stones, Michael Johnson and Bob Kennedy will be the announcers. Weather looks great--high 60s, no rain, no pollen! No Alan Webb this year, but it could be another sub-3:50 mile, with Bernard Lagat taking on Hichm El Guerrouj again. Walt Murphy
