t-and-f: NYC marathon audio
I doubt most of you will see this message in time for it to matter, but according to the Eurosport Web site, you will be able to hear their coverage of the NYC marathon in just a few minutes (I'm writing this 30 minutes before the start). Go to http://www.eurosport.com and click on the button that says "Eurosport TV 24/24" -- Lee Nichols Assistant News Editor The Austin Chronicle 512/454-5766 ext. 138 fax 512/458-6910 http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/authors/leenichols.html
Re: t-and-f: Big 12 Results
Men's 8k Team Results 1.Colorado25 (1,2,4,5,13,(16),(29)) 2.Texas90 (8,9,12,27,34,(39),(41)) Wow. Colorado did this WITHOUT Ritz! -- Lee Nichols Assistant News Editor The Austin Chronicle 512/454-5766 ext. 138 fax 512/458-6910 http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/authors/leenichols.html
t-and-f: Letter to NBC Sports re: NYC marathon coverage
I just sent this letter to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I encourage everyone on this listserv to send a copy to that address with your own name signed to it, or write your own letter asking that live NYC Marathon coverage be brought back. Remember, polite letters are most likely to get a good response. -Lee To whom it may concern at NBC Sports: Several years ago, NBC sports showed every minute of the New York City Marathon live. I really enjoyed those broadcasts -- I saw some incredibly dramatic races unfold, and it kept me glued to the television set. In more recent years, NBC has cut its coverage down, reducing it to a skimpy one-hour highlight reel shown on tape delay. For fans of marathon running, this completely kills the drama of a great event that draws attention from around the world (I know the Eurosport network showed live coverage in Europe). I beg NBC to bring back its live coverage of the NYC Marathon, and consider showing other great races such as the Chicago and London marathons. Given that you are the Olympic network, I think showing these events could boost interest in your Olympic coverage. -- Lee Nichols Assistant News Editor The Austin Chronicle 512/454-5766 ext. 138 fax 512/458-6910 http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/authors/leenichols.html
t-and-f: USATF Release: Runyan fifth at NYC Marathon
Contact:Jill M. Geer USATF Director of Communications [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.usatf.org 317-261-0500 x360 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Sunday, November 3, 2002 Runyan places 5th at NYC in marathon debut NEW YORK A pair of renowned American distance runners, known for their prowess on the track, made their marathon debuts Sunday a the New York City Marathon. Marla Runyan, the two-time defending U.S. 5,000m champion on the track and the 2002 national champ for 5K and 10K on the roads, ran her first marathon Sunday just three years after making her elite international athletics breakthrough in the 1,500m at the 1999 World Track & Field Championships. Runyan ran with the lead pack through the first half of the marathon in New York, then maintained pace through the second half to finish an impressive fifth place in a time of 2 hours, 27 minutes and 10 seconds. Kenyan Joyce Chepchumba won the race in 2:25:56, and Milena Glusac was the second American to finish, placing 10th in a personal-best time of 2:31:14 after briefly leading at mile 17. A two-time U.S. champion and American record holder on the track at 10,000 meters (27:13.98), Meb Keflezighi, like Runyan, made his marathon debut in New York on Sunday. Keflezighi took the lead at mile 18 but showed in the final eight miles. Fighting fatigue, he finished ninth in 2:12:35. Rodgers Rop of Kenya, the 2002 Boston Marathon winner, added the New York City title to his resume with his win in 2:08:07. For complete results and athlete quotes from the 2002 New York City Marathon, visit www.nycmarathon.org # # #
t-and-f: NYC Marathon - and other sports coverage
During the NYC Marathon, if it is any help and comparison, the following is what was covered during the same time period on the many channels up here in Massachusetts: (besides, of course, the NFL) ABC: PGA Tour Championship NBC: Hallmark Figure Skaters' Championship (NYC recap on at 3pm) ESPN: PBA Miller High Life Open ESPN2: Tennis Masters Series in Paris Fox Sports Net: Pac 10 volleyball, Oregon at Oregon State I don't know what the overall issues were that the above sports were bumped for live coverage of the NYC Marathon. Does NBC own the rights and decided to show simply only recap coverage? Why do we, especially the northeast, have to subject ourselves to watching a Pac 10 volleyball match when one of the most historic events is just down the road from here? As Lee suggested in the email before, by contacting NBC Sports is a start but I wonder who they are really listening to. Tom Borish www.trackshark.com _ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp
t-and-f: Americans at NY
A reasonably funny post to letsrun: First U.S.-Born Finisher in NYC Marathon -- Guess Who? Scroll down. Marla Runyan, a 33-year-old blind woman. Regards, Martin
t-and-f: Media parochialism
Netters: Coming home from church today at noon, I turned on the TV in what I thought (after reading all the negative posts on our list about lack of NYC Marathon coverage) to would be a vain attempt to watch the last hour or so. But, of course, it was shown live on NBC-TV Channel 4, with the usual expert commentary. I just hand't bothere dto consult my TV Guide. What this is all about is media parochialmism---an inability to realize that track and field is a universal sport with the inhterest not confined to the locality of the event. We run into this all the time here in NJ in press coverage---for example, our section of the state had its three major county championships on Thursday, Friday and Saturday. But results were confined to the local edition, one for each county, so that no one could find out---without help from the internet (which carried two of them immediately after the events on coaches' sites)---what had happened. And this goes on throughout the year. What happened with the marathon coverage was merely a continuation of this myopia on a bigger scale. By the way, just to make you feel even worse, I happened to call by daughter while the race was in progress and they were (un) happily following the (mis) fortunes of the Irish entries on Eurosport., That's really adding insult to injury Ed Grant
Re: t-and-f: Letter to NBC Sports re: NYC marathon coverage
Hello Lee: Hasn't the time come for track fans to realize that television is a dead medium, and that the Internet is the only real hope for our sport? Instead of lobbying NBC, we should be lobbying race directors and meet directors to webcast their events live. Kamal DR KAMAL JABBOUR - Engineer, Educator, Runner, WriterO o 2-222 Center for Science and Technology /|\/ <|\ Syracuse University, Syracuse NY 13244-4100 | | Phone 315-443-3000, Fax 315-443-4745 __/ \ \/ \ http://running.syr.edu/jabbour.html\ \
re: t-and-f: Letter to NBC Sports re: NYC marathon coverage
What makes it even worse, was that NBC covers the race live in the NY area and the coverage was good, as always. Some bonehead at NBC must think that a race that has entrants from just about every state in the US and 90+ countries world-wide is only a regional event. The same jokers will show a Jets/Dolphins game in Cleveland. DUH! MJR
t-and-f: Jabbour is the future: was Letter...NYC mara... coverage
The internet is the only hope for our sport. Jabbour is the future. There is no reason to persuade the public to be interested in our sport or to dumb it down for everyone and put it on TV. There are a thousand sports that none of us are interested in no matter what anyone says. Let's care about those who care. TV is dead. Webcast is the future. Tom Derderian, Greater Boston Track Club - Original Message - From: "Kamal T. Jabbour" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lee Nichols" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 9:33 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Letter to NBC Sports re: NYC marathon coverage > Hello Lee: > > Hasn't the time come for track fans to realize that television is a dead > medium, and that the Internet is the only real hope for our sport? > Instead of lobbying NBC, we should be lobbying race directors and meet > directors to webcast their events live. > > Kamal > > DR KAMAL JABBOUR - Engineer, Educator, Runner, WriterO o > 2-222 Center for Science and Technology /|\/ <|\ > Syracuse University, Syracuse NY 13244-4100 | | > Phone 315-443-3000, Fax 315-443-4745 __/ \ \/ \ > http://running.syr.edu/jabbour.html\ \ >
Re: t-and-f: Jabbour is the future: was Letter...NYC mara... coverage
Tom Derderian wrote: > TV is dead. Webcast is the future. Most webcasts have mediocre picture quality although I have seen a few with pretty good pictures, assuming that you have a high speed connection. The poor quality ones are a chore to watch and the low quality really shows through when the subjects are in fast motion. For example, I tried to watch some of the European Championships on the BBC web site and it was frustrating. The technology is there if it gets applied correctly, though. Hopefully, more people will acquire high speed connections so that they can make the most of the medium. Maybe USATF should try doing something along these lines with domestic meets. It would be nice to even employ multiple streams, so that you could go to a web page and select which event that you wished to follow. bob
Re: t-and-f: Jabbour is the future: was Letter...NYC mara... coverage
No offense to Mr. Jabbour, but I'm amazed anyone thinks the time is remotely near for webcasts to take the place of televised events. The present technology is borderline bearable, and that's with a [presumably] relatively miniscule number of people trying to watch. Who really believes servers are prepared to handle millions of simultaneous high bandwidth streaming audio/video requests? And of those who believe it can be done, who believes the modest budget of running events can afford the technology??? Unless someone figures out a good subscription model of internet revenue and makes it affordable to the small to medium sized sites, I just don't see it becoming much more than a niche market that is unlikely to become profitable. Dan --- Bob Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tom Derderian wrote: > > TV is dead. Webcast is the future. > Most webcasts have mediocre picture quality although I have seen a few > with > pretty good pictures, assuming that you have a high speed connection. > The > poor quality ones are a chore to watch and the low quality really shows > through when the subjects are in fast motion. For example, I tried to > watch > some of the European Championships on the BBC web site and it was > frustrating. The technology is there if it gets applied correctly, > though. > Hopefully, more people will acquire high speed connections so that they > can > make the most of the medium. > > Maybe USATF should try doing something along these lines with domestic > meets. It would be nice to even employ multiple streams, so that you > could > go to a web page and select which event that you wished to follow. > > bob > = http://AccountBiller.com - MyCalendar, D-Man, ReSearch, etc. http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy T&F @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] <|\/ <^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/
Re: t-and-f: Jabbour is the future: was Letter...NYC mara...coverage
> From: "Tom Derderian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: "Tom Derderian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:39:05 - > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: t-and-f: Jabbour is the future: was Letter...NYC mara... coverage > > The internet is the only hope for our sport. Jabbour is the future. There is > no reason to persuade the public to be interested in our sport or to dumb it > down for everyone and put it on TV. There are a thousand sports that none of > us are interested in no matter what anyone says. Let's care about those who > care. TV is dead. Webcast is the future.> Sorry, couldn't disagree more. Can't think of a faster way to consign track to insignificant-to-the-masses status. All the bad network coverage in the world is worth a thousand times more than all the great web coverage, in terms of the overall health of the sport. You guys would have a sport that a coupla thousand hardcore people would follow and the general masses would never be exposed to. Within a generation, all the track fans would be dead. It would be the same as saying that because they don't give good coverage of the sport all the newspapers and magazines in the country (other than specialty rags like T&FN) should quit covering the sport. The key to the sport's health is mass exposure, not contraction into a tinier niche than that which we occupy already. gh
Re: t-and-f: Jabbour is the future: was Letter...NYC mara... coverage
The answer is BOTH- put it on the net. And allow any station who wants to provide over-the-air coverage to do so as well. Relegate the exclusive contracts to the dustbin of history. RT On Sun, 03 Nov 2002 19:05:34 -0800, you wrote: >> From: "Tom Derderian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: "Tom Derderian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:39:05 - >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: t-and-f: Jabbour is the future: was Letter...NYC mara... coverage >> >> The internet is the only hope for our sport. Jabbour is the future. There is >> no reason to persuade the public to be interested in our sport or to dumb it >> down for everyone and put it on TV. There are a thousand sports that none of >> us are interested in no matter what anyone says. Let's care about those who >> care. TV is dead. Webcast is the future.> > >Sorry, couldn't disagree more. Can't think of a faster way to consign track >to insignificant-to-the-masses status. All the bad network coverage in the >world is worth a thousand times more than all the great web coverage, in >terms of the overall health of the sport. > >You guys would have a sport that a coupla thousand hardcore people would >follow and the general masses would never be exposed to. Within a >generation, all the track fans would be dead. > >It would be the same as saying that because they don't give good coverage of >the sport all the newspapers and magazines in the country (other than >specialty rags like T&FN) should quit covering the sport. > >The key to the sport's health is mass exposure, not contraction into a >tinier niche than that which we occupy already. > >gh
Re: t-and-f: Letter to NBC Sports re: NYC marathon coverage
At least for the big events, the networks will just reinvent themselves. Just like newspapers have and just like oil companies have. How many energy-source pots does BP have their hands in? I believe most of the networks already have some sort of cable presence. What news medium doesn't already have a web site? I would expect Jabbour to be getting a nice offer from a network. Olympic results and stories were even posted on the TV network's web site in 2000. With the next Olympics again many time zones away from the U.S., a marketing genius and a bean counter will figure out that they can't continue to fool all the Americans - at least not the track fans - by showing events hours after they happened and pretending like it just took place. I think some 2004 events will be webcast live and/or on the network's cable outlet with key events as always being recapped on prime time network TV in the U.S. Unfortunately, the U.S. networks are still bureaucracies. Otherwise the guys making these decisions would have figured out sooner that going national/live - even with tin cans and strings - with Chicago and N.Y.C. marathons would have been good ideas. "Kamal T. Jabbour" wrote: > Hello Lee: > > Hasn't the time come for track fans to realize that television is a dead > medium, and that the Internet is the only real hope for our sport? > Instead of lobbying NBC, we should be lobbying race directors and meet > directors to webcast their events live. > > Kamal > > DR KAMAL JABBOUR - Engineer, Educator, Runner, WriterO o > 2-222 Center for Science and Technology /|\/ <|\ > Syracuse University, Syracuse NY 13244-4100 | | > Phone 315-443-3000, Fax 315-443-4745 __/ \ \/ \ > http://running.syr.edu/jabbour.html\ \
Re: t-and-f: Those HS rules again
Ed Grant wrote: > On another related note. It is against the rules to use video > equipment to sort out these close finishes. We all, I am sure either recall > or have heard of the time when two of the best-ever college CC teams, from > the legendary programs at Oregon and Villanova, saw a close team finish > reversed on an examination of a video of the finish. > The person against using video to sort out close XC finishes should work the finish of the USATF National JO Midget Boys 3000m final - alone.
