t-and-f: NCAA XC on TV
The meet will be shown on the 8th and 17th on Fox according to my TV listings
t-and-f: Bad rule
Netters: Just learned at the Met Track writers luncjeon on Monday aftre the new IAAF false start rule. it;s a bummer Evidentl;y, the IAAF was afraid to go all the way and introduce the no-fault-start rule that governs high school and college track in the U.S. and still find a way to cut down on false starts for reasons we can only imagine. But why this one For those, l;iker myself, not already familiar with the new rule, it is one that has obviously been borroed from swimming. The first false start is charged against the entire field, innocent as well as guilty. Subsequent false starts, then immediately disqualify the culprit. Swiming is about the last sport we should be borrowing rules from. Before the introduction of electronic devices, the order of finish was determined by who had the fastest hand-time. I recall once when a swimming officiual (and track father) was helping me out at a July 4 meet. He timed the second or third finisher faster than the timer on first and insisted the time should prevail. I had to explain to him that we didn;t do it that way in track and field; he quickly caught on. But that has not cleared up problems in that sport. We had a very unfortunate incident at one of our state meets a couple of years ago. The meet was in an eight- lane pool, with only six swimmers so the two outside lanes were not in play. The manager of one team submitted her three entries as 1-3-5, which was their order as far as the swimmers were concerned. But, because the lanes were numbered 2-4-6, the team was accused of switching lanes for their swimmers and there was a disqualification which would have cost them the title. Fortunmately, the opposing coach refused to accept the d/qs, but for a half hour or so, that manager was in tears, thinking she had cost her school a state title. Now it is obviously the job of the officials to get the lanes straight. But that's nopt the way the rules read in swimming. And we want to follow their lead in anything? Ed Grant
t-and-f: Gene-doping
Both sport and the medical establishment promise a brave new world if they could only get their hands on our genes. And so we have come up with gene-doping. There is no turning back, says Dr. Schierling. It's not like drugs -- where if there is a reaction, the dosage is stopped. The gene is there to stay. http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/GIS.Servlets.HTMLTemplate?current_row=1tf=tgam/search/tgam/SearchFullStory.htmlcf=tgam/search/tgam/SearchFullStory.cfgconfigFileLoc=tgam/configencoded_keywords=ubermenschoption=start_row=1start_row_offset1=num_rows=1search_results_start=1query=ubermensch Regards, Martin
Re: t-and-f: Bad rule
Looks as if it was the sort of lunch I would enjoy! lunjeon Evident;y l;ker Swiming That's the way I type after lunch, too. Randall Northam On Tuesday, Jan 7, 2003, at 18:52 Europe/London, Ed Grant wrote: Netters: Just learned at the Met Track writers luncjeon on Monday aftre the new IAAF false start rule. it;s a bummer Evidentl;y, the IAAF was afraid to go all the way and introduce the no-fault-start rule that governs high school and college track in the U.S. and still find a way to cut down on false starts for reasons we can only imagine. But why this one For those, l;iker myself, not already familiar with the new rule, it is one that has obviously been borroed from swimming. The first false start is charged against the entire field, innocent as well as guilty. Subsequent false starts, then immediately disqualify the culprit. Swiming is about the last sport we should be borrowing rules from.
t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs???
In light of the recent announcement that St.John's(NY) is dropping its men's programs after this school year, I'm trying to compile a list of schools that no longer sponsor men's track/X-Country(or will soon drop the program). I'm aware of the following off the top of my head--any others? Bowling Green Georgia State (X-Country only) Nevada-Las Vegas Northern Illinois Northwestern St.John's Vermont Walt Murphy
Re: t-and-f: The REAL athlete of the year
Now here is a guy with a skill and we got him. Two nights ago, Part beat Phil Taylor, who had won the world championship title for eight years in a row. http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20030107/SDARTX/sports/sports/sports_temp/2/2/18/ ghill wrote: Conversely, Lance Armstrong could spend his next 302 incarnations and be unable to hit a major league fastball out of the infield. gh
Re: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs???
Oregon State, San José State From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:10:38 EST To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? In light of the recent announcement that St.John's(NY) is dropping its men's programs after this school year, I'm trying to compile a list of schools that no longer sponsor men's track/X-Country(or will soon drop the program). I'm aware of the following off the top of my head--any others? Bowling Green Georgia State (X-Country only) Nevada-Las Vegas Northern Illinois Northwestern St.John's Vermont Walt Murphy
Re: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs???
San Diego State -- From: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: track list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? Date: Tue, Jan 7, 2003, 10:34 AM Oregon State, San José State From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:10:38 EST To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? In light of the recent announcement that St.John's(NY) is dropping its men's programs after this school year, I'm trying to compile a list of schools that no longer sponsor men's track/X-Country(or will soon drop the program). I'm aware of the following off the top of my head--any others? Bowling Green Georgia State (X-Country only) Nevada-Las Vegas Northern Illinois Northwestern St.John's Vermont Walt Murphy
RE: t-and-f: The REAL athlete of the year
My favorite quote from the darts article Known on the circuit as Darth Maple for the dark Maple Leaf he wears on his shirt to intimidate his opponents, Part described his game as consistent, dogged and relentless. Nothing like a picture of vegitation on your shirt to strike fear into the hearts of your competitors. RC -Original Message- From: Martin J. Dixon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 1:30 PM To: track list Subject: Re: t-and-f: The REAL athlete of the year Now here is a guy with a skill and we got him. Two nights ago, Part beat Phil Taylor, who had won the world championship title for eight years in a row. http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20030107/SDARTX/sports/sports/sports_temp/2/2/18/ ghill wrote: Conversely, Lance Armstrong could spend his next 302 incarnations and be unable to hit a major league fastball out of the infield. gh
Re: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs???
Yes, SD State, but Men only. Scott david lesley wrote: San Diego State -- From: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: track list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? Date: Tue, Jan 7, 2003, 10:34 AM Oregon State, San Josi State From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:10:38 EST To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? In light of the recent announcement that St.John's(NY) is dropping its men's programs after this school year, I'm trying to compile a list of schools that no longer sponsor men's track/X-Country(or will soon drop the program). I'm aware of the following off the top of my head--any others? Bowling Green Georgia State (X-Country only) Nevada-Las Vegas Northern Illinois Northwestern St.John's Vermont Walt Murphy
t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs-Updated List
Walt Murphy’s News and Results Service Updates are coming in hot and heavy, so I thought I'd get out this latest list. Thanks to all of you who responded so quickly. Some programs (e.g., San Jose State, Oregon State) were dropped a long time ago, before the current Title IX-related frenzy. I'll leave it to others to determine what effect Title IX had on the decisions that led to the more recent changes at these schools. Walt Murphy Austin Peay (kept x-country) Bowling Green (kept x-country) Bradley (kept x-country) Cal-State Los Angeles (dropped x-country) Canisius (will drop both track programs after 2003 season) Cincinnati (dropped indoor) Georgia State (kept x-country) Hawaii Jacksonville (kept x-country) Lincoln University(Div.II) Massachusetts-Amherst (dropped indoor) Miami/Ohio (dropped indoor) Mississippi State (dropped x-country, may bring it back) Nebraska-Omaha(Div.II) Nevada-Las Vegas Nevada-Reno New Mexico State (kept x-country) Northern Colorado (dropped x-country, moving from Div.II to Div.I) Northern Illinois Northwestern Old Dominion (dropped both programs) Oregon State Pacific (kept women’s x-country only) San Diego State San Jose State South Carolina (dropped x-country) Southern California (dropped x-country) St.John's (will drop program after 2003 season) Tennessee-Martin(kept x-country) Tulane (kept x-country) Vanderbilt (kept x-country) Vermont Wisconsin-Green Bay (kept x-country, dropped both track programs)
t-and-f: USATF Release: Samuels named Athlete of the Week
Contact:Melvin Jackson II Communications Coordinator USA Track Field (317) 261-0478 x322 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE January 7, 2002 Samuels named Athlete of the Week INDIANAPOLIS - J-Mee Samuels has been named USA Track Field's Athlete of the Week after posting the fastest U.S. prep time this indoor season in the 300 meters. He ran 34.72 seconds on a flat track in winning the North Carolina High School Opener on Saturday at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill. Samuels, a sophomore at Mt. Tabor High School in Winston Salem, N.C., also won the 55m at Saturday's meet with a time of 6.42 seconds, which is the fourth-best time in the U.S. among high schoolers indoors in 2003. The event marked the first major 2003 track meet in North Carolina for high schools. Last season, Samuels posted the fastest mark of any returning prep athlete in the 200m with time of 20.99 seconds. He also had the fourth-fastest return mark in the 100m (10.42) and was the first leg on the third-ranked high school sprint medley relay team of 2002 (3:24.96). Now in its third year, USATF's Athlete of the Week program is designed to recognize outstanding performers at all levels of the sport. USATF names a new honoree each week and features the athlete on the USATF Web site. Selections are based on top performances and results from the previous week. 2003 USATF Athlete of the Week Winners: January 7, J-Mee Samuels. # # # PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE: If you would like to respond, please direct your e-mail to the Contact person listed at the top of the text of this message. To be removed from this mailing list or to notify us of a change in your e-mail address, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: t-and-f: re: Mascot HEY JILL
Coming soon! Jill M. Geer USATF Director of Communications [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone/fax: 508-695-0595 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bloomquist, Bret Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 5:23 PM To: 'Dan Kaplan'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: re: Mascot HEY JILL The usatf website says voting for the finalists begins today. The longer this thread gets kicked around, the more impatient I am to find out the five finalists. Did Apocolypse make it? -Original Message- From: Dan Kaplan [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 11:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: re: Mascot Mascots attract kids, there is no debating this, anything to the contrary is pointless banter. I take it that's your way of saying you can't support the statement? I still haven't seen any evidence provided for the position that a mascot will directly help USATF financially. We already know it's done a disservice to the organization in terms of negative publicity -- and no, that has absolutely nothing to do with no matter what USATF does, people are going to crucify it; it's simply an awful mascot -- so I'm assuming there has to be some market research indicating that that factor can be overcome by having pictures taken with kids. Makes perfect sense. Go after the people without money and alienate the paying customers who might even be participants. Dan --- Michael J. Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Mascot has an equal stupidity look, but kids don't know the difference, so the point is moot. Mascots attract kids, there is no debating this, anything to the contrary is pointless banter. Whether the children are spectators or contestants (we're not talking Millrose here, but JO meets for appearances) this is a positive financial opportunity for USATF TnF as a whole. Kids will have something else to remember outside of the events they contest. The money to be made from pictures w/ the Mascot is huge, especially if it goes back to the Grass Roots programs (Associations), where it should. This is not an issue of youth participation numbers, as Mascot will not be at local/yocal meets (for the most part), but at Nationals where it will be an attraction piece. For years it has been difficult to make TF fun for kids, this is a good step in that direction. It just seems like another case where no matter what USATF does, people are going to crucify it. MJR = http://AccountBiller.com - MyCalendar, D-Man, ReSearch, etc. http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
RE: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs???
Why the racial reference? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bloomquist, Bret Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 5:21 PM To: 'Scott Davis'; david lesley Cc: ghill; track list Subject: RE: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? Blinn Junior College. Just a JC, but arguably the greatest JC track program of all time. They cut it but kept men's tennis because men's tennis had a better quality of student athlete. Read: Rich white kids. -Original Message- From: Scott Davis [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 1:15 PM To: david lesley Cc: ghill; track list Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? Yes, SD State, but Men only. Scott david lesley wrote: San Diego State -- From: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: track list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? Date: Tue, Jan 7, 2003, 10:34 AM Oregon State, San Josi State From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:10:38 EST To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? In light of the recent announcement that St.John's(NY) is dropping its men's programs after this school year, I'm trying to compile a list of schools that no longer sponsor men's track/X-Country(or will soon drop the program). I'm aware of the following off the top of my head--any others? Bowling Green Georgia State (X-Country only) Nevada-Las Vegas Northern Illinois Northwestern St.John's Vermont Walt Murphy
t-and-f: test - please disregard
t-and-f: Clarification: USATF Athlete of the Week
Tuesday's USATF Athlete of the Week release should have specified that J-Mee Samuels' time of 34.72 for 300 meters, run on a flat track, is a U.S. high school leader in the event for flat tracks only. Melville Rogers of Transit Tech in Brooklyn, N.Y., (best of 34.25 in December) and Adrian Sanderson of Ewing HS in Trenton, N.J. (34.56 in December) have run faster on banked tracks. # # # PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE: If you would like to respond, please direct your e-mail to the Contact person listed at the top of the text of this message. To be removed from this mailing list or to notify us of a change in your e-mail address, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs???
The medicre tennis team was 100 percent white kids, mostly upper-middle class. The perennial national champion track team was mostly black. Maybe that is irrelevant to the better quality of student-athlete reference, but it looked fishy. Quite a few people, and not just the NAACP chapter but a number of white people in the track community, questioned whether there was a thinly veiled racial aspect of all this. By the way, I'll straight up call the Blinn teams of the 1980s the best dual meet teams, at any level, in US collegiate track. They took on UTexas in a dual meet and beat them by about 100 points. Of course that's because they were offering three times as many scholarships as any Division I. -Original Message- From: Rich Harrington [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 5:13 PM To: Bloomquist, Bret; 'Scott Davis'; david lesley Cc: ghill; track list Subject: RE: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? Why the racial reference? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bloomquist, Bret Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 5:21 PM To: 'Scott Davis'; david lesley Cc: ghill; track list Subject: RE: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? Blinn Junior College. Just a JC, but arguably the greatest JC track program of all time. They cut it but kept men's tennis because men's tennis had a better quality of student athlete. Read: Rich white kids. -Original Message- From: Scott Davis [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 1:15 PM To: david lesley Cc: ghill; track list Subject:Re: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? Yes, SD State, but Men only. Scott david lesley wrote: San Diego State -- From: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: track list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? Date: Tue, Jan 7, 2003, 10:34 AM Oregon State, San Josi State From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:10:38 EST To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? In light of the recent announcement that St.John's(NY) is dropping its men's programs after this school year, I'm trying to compile a list of schools that no longer sponsor men's track/X-Country(or will soon drop the program). I'm aware of the following off the top of my head--any others? Bowling Green Georgia State (X-Country only) Nevada-Las Vegas Northern Illinois Northwestern St.John's Vermont Walt Murphy
Re: t-and-f: re: Mascot HEY JILL
my guess is, Apocalypse didn't make it, since they're saying 5 finalists. If Apoc. was the winner, the four finalists would be famine, pestilence... From: Bloomquist, Bret [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Bloomquist, Bret [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 17:23:08 -0500 To: 'Dan Kaplan' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: re: Mascot HEY JILL The usatf website says voting for the finalists begins today. The longer this thread gets kicked around, the more impatient I am to find out the five finalists. Did Apocolypse make it?
RE: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs???
Blinn Junior College. Just a JC, but arguably the greatest JC track program of all time. They cut it but kept men's tennis because men's tennis had a better quality of student athlete. Read: Rich white kids. -Original Message- From: Scott Davis [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 1:15 PM To: david lesley Cc: ghill; track list Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? Yes, SD State, but Men only. Scott david lesley wrote: San Diego State -- From: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: track list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? Date: Tue, Jan 7, 2003, 10:34 AM Oregon State, San Josi State From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:10:38 EST To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? In light of the recent announcement that St.John's(NY) is dropping its men's programs after this school year, I'm trying to compile a list of schools that no longer sponsor men's track/X-Country(or will soon drop the program). I'm aware of the following off the top of my head--any others? Bowling Green Georgia State (X-Country only) Nevada-Las Vegas Northern Illinois Northwestern St.John's Vermont Walt Murphy
RE: t-and-f: re: Mascot HEY JILL
The usatf website says voting for the finalists begins today. The longer this thread gets kicked around, the more impatient I am to find out the five finalists. Did Apocolypse make it? -Original Message- From: Dan Kaplan [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 11:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: re: Mascot Mascots attract kids, there is no debating this, anything to the contrary is pointless banter. I take it that's your way of saying you can't support the statement? I still haven't seen any evidence provided for the position that a mascot will directly help USATF financially. We already know it's done a disservice to the organization in terms of negative publicity -- and no, that has absolutely nothing to do with no matter what USATF does, people are going to crucify it; it's simply an awful mascot -- so I'm assuming there has to be some market research indicating that that factor can be overcome by having pictures taken with kids. Makes perfect sense. Go after the people without money and alienate the paying customers who might even be participants. Dan --- Michael J. Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Mascot has an equal stupidity look, but kids don't know the difference, so the point is moot. Mascots attract kids, there is no debating this, anything to the contrary is pointless banter. Whether the children are spectators or contestants (we're not talking Millrose here, but JO meets for appearances) this is a positive financial opportunity for USATF TnF as a whole. Kids will have something else to remember outside of the events they contest. The money to be made from pictures w/ the Mascot is huge, especially if it goes back to the Grass Roots programs (Associations), where it should. This is not an issue of youth participation numbers, as Mascot will not be at local/yocal meets (for the most part), but at Nationals where it will be an attraction piece. For years it has been difficult to make TF fun for kids, this is a good step in that direction. It just seems like another case where no matter what USATF does, people are going to crucify it. MJR = http://AccountBiller.com - MyCalendar, D-Man, ReSearch, etc. http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: AOW
Is that a threat? - Original Message - From: Herb Finkelstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keep it up, and you'll start getting the kind of regard E. Garry does.
RE: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs???
Be careful about making accusations of racism without having some evidence to back it up. It's all too easy to sit on the sideline and throw stones. People's lives get ruined that way, without having a chance to defend themselves. Why don't you take it up with the school's administration, and do some more research? Then report your findings back to us. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bloomquist, Bret Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 6:24 PM To: 'Rich Harrington'; Bloomquist, Bret; 'Scott Davis'; david lesley Cc: ghill; track list Subject: RE: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? The medicre tennis team was 100 percent white kids, mostly upper-middle class. The perennial national champion track team was mostly black. Maybe that is irrelevant to the better quality of student-athlete reference, but it looked fishy. Quite a few people, and not just the NAACP chapter but a number of white people in the track community, questioned whether there was a thinly veiled racial aspect of all this. By the way, I'll straight up call the Blinn teams of the 1980s the best dual meet teams, at any level, in US collegiate track. They took on UTexas in a dual meet and beat them by about 100 points. Of course that's because they were offering three times as many scholarships as any Division I. -Original Message- From: Rich Harrington [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 5:13 PM To: Bloomquist, Bret; 'Scott Davis'; david lesley Cc: ghill; track list Subject: RE: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? Why the racial reference? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bloomquist, Bret Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 5:21 PM To: 'Scott Davis'; david lesley Cc: ghill; track list Subject: RE: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? Blinn Junior College. Just a JC, but arguably the greatest JC track program of all time. They cut it but kept men's tennis because men's tennis had a better quality of student athlete. Read: Rich white kids. -Original Message- From: Scott Davis [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 1:15 PM To: david lesley Cc: ghill; track list Subject:Re: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? Yes, SD State, but Men only. Scott david lesley wrote: San Diego State -- From: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: track list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? Date: Tue, Jan 7, 2003, 10:34 AM Oregon State, San Josi State From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:10:38 EST To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? In light of the recent announcement that St.John's(NY) is dropping its men's programs after this school year, I'm trying to compile a list of schools that no longer sponsor men's track/X-Country(or will soon drop the program). I'm aware of the following off the top of my head--any others? Bowling Green Georgia State (X-Country only) Nevada-Las Vegas Northern Illinois Northwestern St.John's Vermont Walt Murphy
Re: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs???
I would counter that Barton County tops Blinn as the top JC track program. They've had almost 20 years of championship programs. Tony Banovich Billings Montana Barton County Cougar - '82 - Original Message - From: Bloomquist, Bret [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Scott Davis' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; david lesley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED]; track list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 3:21 PM Subject: RE: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? Blinn Junior College. Just a JC, but arguably the greatest JC track program of all time. They cut it but kept men's tennis because men's tennis had a better quality of student athlete. Read: Rich white kids. -Original Message- From: Scott Davis [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 1:15 PM To: david lesley Cc: ghill; track list Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? Yes, SD State, but Men only. Scott david lesley wrote: San Diego State -- From: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: track list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? Date: Tue, Jan 7, 2003, 10:34 AM Oregon State, San Josi State From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:10:38 EST To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? In light of the recent announcement that St.John's(NY) is dropping its men's programs after this school year, I'm trying to compile a list of schools that no longer sponsor men's track/X-Country(or will soon drop the program). I'm aware of the following off the top of my head--any others? Bowling Green Georgia State (X-Country only) Nevada-Las Vegas Northern Illinois Northwestern St.John's Vermont Walt Murphy
Re: t-and-f: Bad rule
From: Ed Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Ed Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 10:52:04 -0800 To: track net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Bad rule Netters: Just learned at the Met Track writers luncjeon on Monday aftre the new IAAF false start rule. it;s a bummer Evidentl;y, the IAAF was afraid to go all the way and introduce the no-fault-start rule that governs high school and college track in the U.S. and still find a way to cut down on false starts for reasons we can only imagine. I agree that the swimming rule is inferior to no false starts, but it's still an improvement over the wild-wild-west mentality that American sprinters have infected the rest of the world with. You want a reason you can only imagine? Try going to an Olympics or World Championships, with an international feed and watch the TV people go batshit when the flow of the production gets severely compromised (as it has done repeatedly in the last decade). We're always asking why we don't get any respect from TV: this kind of thing is one of the reasons. We need to have a more TV friendly product if they're going to treat us better. Fortunately, the IAAF realizes this. Prediction: the formula for all major internationals will now be this--about half the field is going to break on the first set, most of them either looking for an edge with the one chance they have (or a slow starter false starting on purpose to blunt any edge the quick starters of the world might have). And then DQs will become--as in NCAA competition--almost nonexistent. Any DQs are likely to come from Americans who have been allowed--by USATF's inaction--to continue using the let's-play-games starting procedure in domestic meets and cant' break out of the mold. gh
