Re: t-and-f: Boston Indoor 2 Mile Results
I was there and watched the race then talked to the top three guys afterwards at the small press conference. The barrel start suprised Mottram who was not used to remaining in a lane, but it didn't bother him. Rono zoomed out very quickly so that by the time any of the other guys looked up after the turn, Rono was already down the straight. No one chased down the rabbit who was running, it looked like, 12 sec hundred meter pace. Rono did not look over his shoulder and slow to allow the field to latch on as some rabbits do to sometimes correct initial exuberance. Rono did go 1:55 and 4:04, but just before he stopped the crowd seemed to think it was watching a guy trying to run away with the race and a pack trying to catch him. I think this because I heard what I thought to be a sigh of dissapointment from the crowd. After the race I asked Mottram why he didn't follow the rabbit. I wanted him to say that he thought the rabbit when out too fast but instead he got annoyed with me and ask if I had ever run a race. That got the rest of the press group laughing since they all knew that I had and that I was looking for a quotation not being critical. I asked each guy why he didn't go with the rabbit or why the others didn't. Finally Cragg said that he didn't want to be the guy leading when the rabbit quit. Apparently no one did. The pack of them hit the mile in 4:18. 56 last 400 was the word for Mottram who said that was ordinary and he had been running 51s in practice. Tom Personally I find the rabbits distracting. On Jan 29, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Jorma Kurry wrote: What I've heard second-hand is that the rabbit was somewhat inconsistent. Reports of 1:55 at the 800? I find that hard to believe, but that's what I heard. Then 4:04ish at the mile. Supposedly 7 together with 600m to go. - Original Message - From: B. Kunnath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: t-and-f@lists.uoregon.edu Cc: t-and-f@darkwing.uoregon.edu Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 9:53 AM Subject: t-and-f: Boston Indoor 2 Mile Results 1 Craig Mottram AUS 8:26.54 2 Sileshi Sihine ETH 8:27.03 3 Alistair Cragg IRE 8:27.39 4 Tariku Bekele ETH 8:27.56 5 Boaz Cheboiywo KEN 8:27.75 6 Dan Lincoln USA 8:27.85 7 Abebe Dinkessa ETH 8:28.22 8 Markos Geneti ETH 8:29.13 9 Ian Dobson USA 8:32.77 10 Gebre Gebremariam ETH 8:34.82 11 Reid Coolsaet CAN 8:37.37 12 Ryan Hall USA 8:37.74 -- Geoffrey Rono KEN DNF Seems like slow times for some fast runners...anyone know what it was like out there? bk
Re: t-and-f: National Depth--Steeplechase
On Sunday, January 29, 2006, at 10:59 AM, Dan Kaplan wrote: This is a pretty major dropoff in Kenyan dominance, no? Didn't they previously have more like 40-50 represented in the top-100? Dan --- Roger Ruth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MEN'S STEEPLECHASE 2005 Country Top 100Highest Kenya23 2 I would have guessed he was right, maybe just because it seems like there are always lots of those Kenya shirts at the front in any international steeple race, but in terms of total number in the top 100, they seem to have been remarkably consistent over the recent years. I found these totals and top rankings in my lists since 1998: 199820 (1) 199922 (1) 200018 (1) 200119 (2) 200220 (2) 200319 (2) 200422 (2) 200523 (2)
Re: t-and-f: National Depth--Steeplechase
Interesting. Was it the 5k/10 list that they filled with greater numbers, or something altogether different I'm remembering? Dan --- Roger Ruth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found these totals and top rankings in my lists since 1998: 1998 20 (1) 1999 22 (1) 2000 18 (1) 2001 19 (2) 2002 20 (2) 2003 19 (2) 2004 22 (2) 2005 23 (2) http://AbleDesign.com - Web Design Custom Programming http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: t-and-f: National Depth--Steeplechase
That seems about normal to me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Kaplan Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 2:00 PM To: Roger Ruth; t-and-f@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: t-and-f: National Depth--Steeplechase This is a pretty major dropoff in Kenyan dominance, no? Didn't they previously have more like 40-50 represented in the top-100? Dan --- Roger Ruth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MEN'S STEEPLECHASE 2005 Country Top 100Highest Kenya 23 2 United States 9 19 France 7 11 Poland 6 31 Spain 5 21 Morocco 5 4 Qatar 4 1 Russia 4 37 Great Britain 3 73 Germany 3 44 South Africa3 40 Sweden 3 24 29 countries represented 100th = 8:33.70 http://AbleDesign.com - Web Design Custom Programming http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
t-and-f: Kenyan Dominance
Earlier today, Dan wrote to ask whether Kenya's 22 steeplechasers in the world top 100 represented a considerable drop-off. When I checked, that was not the case. Dan then wrote: Interesting. Was it the 5k/10 list that they filled with greater numbers, or something altogether different I'm remembering? I thought the comparison might have been with Kenya performance in the steeple as compared with the marathon, where they remain strong. When I posted the marathon summary, I commented on Kenya's 51 representatives, (That's the first time since I've been charting national depth that one country has been represented by more than half of the top 100 athletes in any event. Previous high was Kenya's 47 in the 2004 men's marathon.) As far as the 5K/10K are concerned, I only got as far as checking this year's 5K, where I'd already posted 45 Kenyans in the top 100, and the 10K, where they have 39 in the top 100 and a highest rank of #4. (I also found, to my embarrassment, that Mirko has lists for both the 10,000 meters and the 10K, with the latter being the list for the road race. Fortunately, I sent the wrong info just to Dan, before I noticed the difference. In the much shorter list for the road race, Kenya has 62 of the top 100 and 17 of the top 20!) In all, I don't see any dramatic fall-off for Kenya in any of the distance events. Maybe it might be true for the steeple if I looked back farther than 1998. Anybody have the answer, without doing the work?
RE: t-and-f: Kenyan Dominance
Any coincidence that the numbers of Qatari steeplers are up?? bk From: Roger Ruth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Roger Ruth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: t-and-f@lists.uoregon.edu CC: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Kenyan Dominance Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:55:43 -0800 Earlier today, Dan wrote to ask whether Kenya's 22 steeplechasers in the world top 100 represented a considerable drop-off. When I checked, that was not the case. Dan then wrote: Interesting. Was it the 5k/10 list that they filled with greater numbers, or something altogether different I'm remembering? I thought the comparison might have been with Kenya performance in the steeple as compared with the marathon, where they remain strong. When I posted the marathon summary, I commented on Kenya's 51 representatives, (That's the first time since I've been charting national depth that one country has been represented by more than half of the top 100 athletes in any event. Previous high was Kenya's 47 in the 2004 men's marathon.) As far as the 5K/10K are concerned, I only got as far as checking this year's 5K, where I'd already posted 45 Kenyans in the top 100, and the 10K, where they have 39 in the top 100 and a highest rank of #4. (I also found, to my embarrassment, that Mirko has lists for both the 10,000 meters and the 10K, with the latter being the list for the road race. Fortunately, I sent the wrong info just to Dan, before I noticed the difference. In the much shorter list for the road race, Kenya has 62 of the top 100 and 17 of the top 20!) In all, I don't see any dramatic fall-off for Kenya in any of the distance events. Maybe it might be true for the steeple if I looked back farther than 1998. Anybody have the answer, without doing the work?
t-and-f: National Depth--Triple Jump
The charts summarize the number of athletes each country placed in the world top-100 outdoor rankings for 2005 (plus ties) and the highest-ranked of these. Since one or two placings may represent only exceptional individuals, rather than national program strength, I've listed only countries with three or more athletes in the top 100 (plus ties). The data base drawn upon is the world deep list from Mirko Jalava's web site http://www.tilastopaja.net>. MEN'S TRIPLE JUMP 2005 Country Top 101 Highest United States 11 4 Russia 10 9 Cuba 9 5 China 7 17 France 7 7 Brazil 5 2 Australia 4 56 Great Britain 4 3 Italy 4 43 Germany 3 8 Greece 3 11 Morocco 3 31 38 countries represented 100th = 16.38m = 53'8 3/4 WOMEN'S TRIPLE JUMP 2005 Country Top 101 Highest Russia 12 1 China 11 11 United States 7 36 Ukraine 6 34 Cuba 5 6 Poland 5 57 Romania 4 20 Brazil 4 50 France 4 40 Greece 4 4 Italy 4 8 33 countries represented 100th = 13.62m = 44'8
t-and-f: National Depth--800 Meters
The charts summarize the number of athletes each country placed in the world top-100 outdoor rankings for 2005 (plus ties) and the highest-ranked of these. Since one or two placings may represent only exceptional individuals, rather than national program strength, I've listed only countries with three or more athletes in the top 100 (plus ties). The data base drawn upon is the world deep list from Mirko Jalava's web site http://www.tilastopaja.net>. MEN'S 800 METERS 2005 Country Top 100 Highest Kenya 23 1 United States 10 15 South Africa 6 3 Algeria 5 22 Italy 5 55 Brazil 4 34 Spain 4 5 France 4 20 Bahrain 3 2 Canada 3 9 Morocco 3 6 Qatar 3 8 36 countries represented 100th = 1:46.93 WOMEN'S 800 METERS 2005 Country Top 100 Highest Russia 23 1 United States 7 8 France 6 17 Great Britain 5 57 Canada 4 29 Jamaica 3 12 Kenya 3 6 Morocco 3 10 Romania 3 22 Ukraine 3 70 39 countries represented 100th = 2:02.55
