RE: t-and-f: Virus?
No, I got three also Jim Kaminsky -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-t-and-f@;lists.uoregon.edu]On Behalf Of Martin J. Dixon Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:52 AM To: Track & Field List Subject: t-and-f: Virus? I have just received my 3rd blank message in the last hour from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am I the only one. Sorry to trouble the list if I am. Regards, Martin
RE: t-and-f: Why on the street? - car tromping: "Once a Runner"
I have a similar story from the early 60s at Ohio Wesleyan. We were coming
in from an easy road run down a slight grade into town running on the road
near the curb. We were cruising at a really good clip when I noticed a
Cadillac at a side street about to turn right (we were coming from his
right). His eyes were looking left since he knew there was no traffic
coming in his lane from the right. Just as we got to him he decided to make
his turn and that's when the fun began. I should have been a stunt man,
because I hit the top of his long Cadillac hood on my butt, slammed by palms
as hard as I could on the hood, leaving some neat impressions, and sliding
off the other side continued on never missing a stride. He slammed on his
breaks, cleaned the shit out of his pants and didn't move for the longest
time. Mean while we just continued on like nothing was wrong. What a great
feeling. Moral of story - look both ways before you pull out.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Randy Treadway
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 10:02 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Why on the street? - car tromping: "Once a Runner"
Well I was in the group that it happened to,
and "did it", in 1976 in Troy, Alabama.
I suspect that, given enough stories of drunk
people swerving at runners, runners have
picked up on the 'revenge' angle, and done it
(running over a car or pickup trick) whenever
they have the opportunity, as justifiable.
After so many years, I don't remember who in
the group I was running with came up with the idea
and said "hey, there's the guy- let's run right
over his truck". In my memory, it was pretty
much a spontaneous reaction when we saw him
sitting at the stop light.
So it's probable actually happened several (or
many) times. Who knows- maybe Batchelor and Shorter were the first. Give
them credit among
distance runner lore for paving new ground,
like Dick Fosbury.
As a matter of fact, give it a name like the
Fosbury Flop-
"we caught the guy at the next intersection and
Batchelored him".
You'll have to explain to young runners what
"getting Batchelored" means.
RT
RT
On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:38:22 -0400 Geoff Pietsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> John Parker told the story of Shorter and
> Bacheler in both non-fiction
> and fiction ("Once a Runner") versions, as I
> recall. No spikes though, just
> running shoes - and red necks. That really
> happened, to the best of my
> recollection, and all the other versions have
> followed from it. Geoff
>
>
> >From: ghill
> >Reply-To: ghill
> >To: track list
> >Subject: Re: t-and-f: Why on the street?
> >Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:01:46 -0700
> >
> >there's also a story, probably apocryphal, of
> Shorter and Bacheler running
> >in spikes on a golf course and some guy pulled
> a car in front of them (not
> >sure how the car was on the course, hence the
> apoc. nature), and supposedly
> >they ran right over the hood and left a score
> of spike holes.
> >
> > > From: "nad wilson"
> > > Reply-To: "nad wilson"
> > > Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:16:59 +
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: t-and-f: Why on the street?
> > >
> > > sounds like something slinger sanchez did.
> > >
> > >
> > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>> and a few miles later on the
> > >> outskirts of town, we came up to an
> intersection where the
> > >> same guy was waiting for the light to
> change, and our entire
> > >> group ran right up over the top of his
> pickup, the last guy
> > >> stomping extra hard on his hood.
> > >
> > >
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RE: t-and-f: Webb - HS vs World JUNIOR all time
Also interesting, is what is Webb’s position relative to age group records for 17 and 18 year olds? Jim Kaminsky -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bob Ramsak Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:04 PM To: tf list Subject: t-and-f: Webb - HS vs World JUNIOR all time Hi All, Unless I missed it in the mass of messages over the past few days, little has been said about Webb's place in the all-time World Junior Mile list, which might provide a better point of comparison for an 18-year old whose national high school federation apparently won't recognize his monumental achievement-- He is now #4, behind Noah Ngeny (3:50.41), Jim Ryun (3:51.3) and Graham Williamson (3:53.15)... and ahead of other sub-4 juniors including Steve Cram, Kevin Sullivan, Steve Ovett and Noureddine Morceli.. Born 13. January, 1983, Webb will have all of 2002 to move up. - | Bob Ramsak | TRACK PROFILE News Service | *Images, Features and Coverage of Track & Field, Road Racing and Olympic Sport | Cleveland, Ohio USA | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | http://www.trackprofile.com
RE: t-and-f: Webb broke TWO high school records
You're correct. However, I was really impressed with Webb's ability to complete a quality race with a strong finish among the some of the best in the world. Regardless of what he may have done in a 1500, he did finish with the quality of a seasoned world-class competitor in a world class race. Let's see what the future bears. Jim Kaminsky -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Randy Treadway Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 6:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb broke TWO high school records On Sun, 27 May 2001 17:52:01 -0700, you wrote: >Ryun's 3:39.0 was run at the 1964 Olympic Trials as a 17 >year old junior. Using a conversion of 16.4 sec to the >mile, it was equal to about a 3:56.4 mile, no doubt an age >group record, and a truly impressive performance. However, >the difference between Webb's 3:38.26 to his 3:53.43 is >15.17 seconds demonstrating an incredible finish for an 18 >year old. We haven't seen the last of this kid. The season >is still young. > >Jim Kaminsky If Webb was only running 1500, he would have began his kick earlier. So it makes more sense to SUBTRACT the "standard" 16.4 or so from his 3:53.43, leaving him with something like a 3:37 flat as an equivalent 1500. That doesn't count a record, of course, but is more indicative of what he's capable of than an en-route 1500 clocking. RT
RE: t-and-f: Webb broke TWO high school records
Ryun's 3:39.0 was run at the 1964 Olympic Trials as a 17 year old junior. Using a conversion of 16.4 sec to the mile, it was equal to about a 3:56.4 mile, no doubt an age group record, and a truly impressive performance. However, the difference between Webb's 3:38.26 to his 3:53.43 is 15.17 seconds demonstrating an incredible finish for an 18 year old. We haven't seen the last of this kid. The season is still young. Jim Kaminsky -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Post, Marty Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 4:28 PM To: 'Martin J. Dixon' Cc: Track & Field List Subject: t-and-f: Webb broke TWO high school records Looking at 1500m splits below shows Webb ran 3:38.26. That also takes care of Ryun's even longer-standing national HSR record of 3:39.0. Incredibly Webb is now the 2001 U.S. leader in the mile, and will almost certainly remain so until at least the European grand prix meets after the nationals next month. -Original Message- From: Martin J. Dixon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 4:49 PM To: 'Track Canada '; Morrison, Maureen Cc: Track & Field List Subject: t-and-f: Re: T&F Alan Webb - 3:53 mile He was going for 3:55. Finals MEN'S 1 MILE RUN 1. Hicham El Guerrouj, Morocco 3:49.92; 2. Kevin Sullivan, Canada 3:51.82; 3. Bernard Lagat, Kenya 3:53.14; 4. Adil Kaouch, Morocco 3:53.40; 5. Alan Webb, U.S.A. 3:53.43; 6. Hudson de Souza, Brazil 3:54.39; 7. Graham Hood, Canada 3:54.62; 8. Bryan Berryhill, U.S.A. 3:55.01; 9. Youssef Baba, Morocco 3:55.10; 10. Raymond Yator, Kenya 3:55.12; 11. Martin Keino, Kenya 3:56.87; 12. Daniel Zegeye, Ethiopia 3:57.92; 13. Ibrahim Aden, Somalia 4:01.27; - Mike Miller, U.S.A. DNF; - Sean Gross, U.S.A. DNF; - Jason Pyrah, U.S.A. DNF. Great to see Graham Hood run so well. The following was a post to the US list from Lagat's agent after Kevin's Japan victory. I realize that he will say that the real season still hasn't started yet. Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 19:50:34 +0200 From: James Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: t-and-f: The list's Sully beats Lagat OK, so he sat on Lagat all the way and won in a slow time. Enjoy the victory now and wait until the real season starts.. JT 1500 splits below which means Kevin outran Lagat by .76 in the last 109 meters. Finals MEN'S 1,500 METER RUN IN ROUTE 1. Hicham El Guerrouj, Morocco 3:35.24; 2. Bernard Lagat, Kenya 3:36.83; 3. Kevin Sullivan, Canada 3:37.27; 4. Alan Webb, U.S.A. 3:38.26; 5. Adil Kaouch, Morocco 3:38.48; 6. Raymond Yator, Kenya 3:38.62; 7. Bryan Berryhill, U.S.A. 3:38.76; 8. Graham Hood, Canada 3:39.00; 9. Hudson de Souza, Brazil 3:39.33; 10. Youssef Baba, Morocco 3:40.32; 11. Martin Keino, Kenya 3:40.48; 12. Daniel Zegeye, Ethiopia 3:41.07; 13. Ibrahim Aden, Somalia 3:44.33; - Sean Gross, U.S.A. DNF; - Jason Pyrah, U.S.A. DNF; - Mike Miller, U.S.A. DNF. Regards, Martin > Apparently American high school sensation Alan Webb just ran a 3:53 mile at > the Prefontaine Classic crushing Jim Ryun's record. Unbelievable! > > Maureen
RE: t-and-f: So you understand...
I believe 7' 10 7/8" instantly relates to 2.41 meters not 2.31 meters. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mats Åkerlind Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 2:22 PM To: Track & Field Mailing list Subject: t-and-f: So you understand... Sometimes I'm amazed at the narrowness of the list's topics and horizons. Tonight, we've learned tha Svetlana Feofanova jumped a new European Record of 4.65 in the women's PV. For you who don't understand it, it means that she cleared 15' 3 1/8". Ivan Pedroso jumped a decent 8.31, which means 27' 3 1/4". Javier Sotomayor cleared 2.31 = 7' 10 7/8". Tatyana Lebedeva jumped 14.89 in the women's TJ = 48' 10 1/4 (plus fractions...) Tim Montgomery won the 60 m in 6.53. That translates into quite a good time, though I don't know the imperial equivalent. (Should be something like 828 grains of sand through the hourglass). The rest of the measurements were taken completely out of my head, no paper help. So if I'm incorrect, please give the correct results in imperial. My point: It'd be nice to see more about actual T & F. One example - Dragila challenged by Feofanova. Dragila is clearly the favourite, if she enters. But the challenge will be tough, having seen Feofanova clear 4.65 with space to the bar. So - more international thoughts and speculations. One doesn't exclude the other. But some of you must react to some results outside of the US. I remember last summer when Alekna's big throws were mailed to the list - even in imperial. Hardly a reaction. Then big surprise and some protests when he got the AOY award... One more thing. I watched the Athens (Pireus) meet on TV tonight. It's sad to see a top class meet the despite world leading athletes still shows such bad arrangements. No distance beyond 60 was legal. The rules state that there should be a cone every 2 m (=7') in the turns. Here it was at least 6 m (20'). In the first turn it was no problem though. There was so much sand from the LJ/TJ pit spread out over lanes 1-2 that the athletes went wide... Mats Åkerlind "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
