Re: t-and-f: Gabe's and Lassiters form?
In a message dated 6/29/01 7:52:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Greg Fredericks. Looked the same at :48 pace as 1:05 pace. > > << With all this talk on form and efficiency, who out there > are the most > efficient runners that you have all seen? >> > > clearly Frank Shorter > > gh > The most efficient? no contest -- Sebastian Coe maddog
Re: t-and-f: Gabe got his wish
In a message dated 6/24/01 2:05:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For what it's worth, I didn't think Jennings would be able to hold his 3rd lap cadence for another lap, especially after what looked to be too conservative of a start. Watching him on the last backstretch, I was pretty sure he would look like he did 200m later (his stride alredy looked to be shortening from fatigue). Who's to say what he was thinking, but it did appear that he was gauging his race off of others in the field. Dan Dan Trust me here! Strides usually lenghten from fatigue! He's is very efficient with his stride. Get him to put more miles on his legs and he will be a winner Internationally... He is a character, however... maddog
Re: t-and-f: list makeup (was Webb could be the one)
RIGHT ON! maddog
Re: t-and-f: any replays?
Netters My TV Guide here in Southern California says it will be replayed again on Thurday, Fox Sports at 2 PM PDT. Also again on Saturday, Fox Sports 2 at 2 PM (maybe). maddog
t-and-f: Kennedy: What's He Doin?
Anyone tell me what Bob Kennedy has been doing over the last year to improve his fitness over 10,000 meters? Bunch of you said "he is ready"! maddog
Re: t-and-f: Here's an idea...
In a message dated 3/27/01 9:51:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I always wanted to start up a pursuit race in track. Have two runners start on opposite sides of the track and go until one catches the other. I figure the 10k guys would be best at this. Or how about start 8 guys, one every fifty meters. If you get passed, you're out. Last one standing wins. Now that sounds like some good suffering! Or team pursuit. Start a team of ten on each side - get passed and you're out. Last team with a competitor is the winner. Strategy would be key here, as a team could send out fliers to try and pick off the opposing members that went out conservatively. This might work better on a 200m track. Maybe someday when I'm rich, I'll put up a few million $$ for "Buck's Extreme Track Meet". Yeah, and I'll get George 'The Body' Malley to announce... Yeah... I like it!!! maddog
Re: t-and-f: official broadcast channel?
My TV Guide says ESPN! maddog
Re: t-and-f: another thought on standing (if you can stand it)
In a message dated 2/28/01 1:17:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: GH, I'm a little young and skeptical to believe that all capacity crowds from the 60's and 70's sat through entire meets without standing for extended periods of time. You mean all the capacity crowds at Hayward Field would sit and behave the entire time Prefontaine ran his races there? I had this vision of people yelling, clapping, pounding their feet and STANDING in approval. I wasn't there so I don't know. I just have mental image that includes frenzied fans standing. Maybe I'm wrong. Nobody stood when Lindgren raced the Russians? Nobody standing when Carlos, Smith and Evans raced at Bud Winter? Any help from people who actually witnessed these epic events? Joe Yes, Joe! I was at many of them and the crowd was standing and cheering the whole time! Depending upon the announcer, the last lap or two the crowd would go BERSERK just like Europe when a Record is in the making!!! maddog
Re: t-and-f: Sitting better than standing
In a message dated 2/24/01 11:04:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At Drake Relays, they have a saying, "If everybody sits, everybody sees." It works pretty well and anyone that has been there knows that it doesn't damper the crowd's enthusiasm. Andy Ames Athenian Athletics Track Club Eastern Michigan alum Boy, did I start something, or what? Okay -- Question: Picture this one -- World Class Grand Prix at Hayward Field. Geb, Tergat and Komen have been set up for an assault on the World 10,000 meter record. Gun goes off! How many track fans in our Track Capitol will be sitting? Keyword here is "trackfans" Answer -- Not Joe and the maddog... (Anyone care to join us? We're the one's in the Hawaiian shirts.) maddog
Re: t-and-f: RE: USATF Release: SACRAMENTO TO HOST 2004 OLYMPIC TRIALS
In a message dated 2/22/01 5:21:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, How about some shade netting over the stands. What "stands?" They are called "sits" at Hughes Stadium. Try standing and cheering like in Europe and see what it gets ya!!! maddog
Re: t-and-f: Everything you need to know is on the Discovery channel
In a message dated 2/12/01 2:59:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "I DID NOT READ THAT IN A BOOK. I don't even have a "Jim Beams Running Formula" book, however, I've seen it happen HUNDREDS of times." malmo ...hundred's of times? Now you're really stretching the point! maddog
t-and-f: (no subject)
In a message dated 10/12/00 8:20:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just wanted to respond to your note below. I have just three questions for you: 1. Since when does a 3:57 1,500 meters equal mediocrity? 2. Who was the so called tarot card reading "distance specialist" you were watching the Woman's 1,500 meter with? ...And 3. Who the heck is Eddie Caine, Jr.? maddog << I hate to rehash an old topic but I can't resist. Suzy Hamilton! I don't understand what the love affair (er, excuse affair) some people on this list have for the woman. I read some of the posts on this distance dominated list that downplay both sprints and sprinters yet most excuse gutsy little Suzy for what I consider to be a choke. She falls yet we forget about the fact that no one was around her when she dramatically fell to the ground. She gets up, makes it through the finish line only to fall out after about five more steps. Is this becoming a pattern? Nike pumps all this money into her for what (not trying to be sarcastic)? I don't believe any of us are rushing to the mall to buy some shoes because she wears them so the marketing aspect excuse may now exit via the toilet. I was watching the 1500 with a distance specialist that predicted she would fall BEFORE she did. I can't say how alarming I found that. Not to mention the poor medicine excuse. I am starting to see that in American we value and reward mediocrity on the world level in the distance events. Are we still paying athletes over 30 based on their potential? If so, let me dust off my old spikes! Sure beats the heck out of taking depositions all day. Wondering if I am the only one seeing these things, Edward Caine, Esq. You sure you want to hang with ol Eddie Caine, Jr.? - 1997 >>
t-and-f: Scientific Facts for Suzy
This was passed on to me from Coach Jim Hunt, All American Long Distance Running Coach -- >From "Dr. Hunt!" Bill, you asked for it. Suzy Favor Hamilton collapsed in the finals of the Olympic 1500 due to complete glycogen depletion. Suzy does not possess the basic speed that some of the other competitors possess. In order to run as fast as she was attempting to do, she had to run at a velocity that was too high of a percentage of her basic performance speed for too long. The glycogen demanded by her muscles to do the work that the brain was commanding of them was completely depleted. As to the dehydration effect, it takes 4 lb. of water to produce 1 lb. of glycogen. Oxygen must mix with glycogen in order to produce energy. Glycogen is stored in the liver, muscle cells and blood stream and must receive oxygen in the amount demanded by the working muscles to continue to work at a desired level. When stored glycogen is depleted, the body will attempt to make more. The process of making glycogen requires a large quantity of water which would lead to further dehydration. In addition to the depletion of fluid, her body could not deliver sufficient oxygen to produce the muscular contractions that her central nervous system was commanding. Suzy could not extract enough oxygen from the air and deliver it to the working muscles in the amount necessary to be able to continue with the high rate of velocity that she needed to run. In Suzy's attempt to run for 4:00 at a velocity of 6.25 meters per second, complicated by the lack of body fluids, her heart rate soared to a new maximum causing her body temperature to rise to possibly as high as 105 degrees-106 degrees. Her body's cooling system was not prepared to dissipate this much heat. This high temperature coupled with the panic of seeing her competitors fly by her caused her body to go into traumatic shock. Traumatic shock causes the large arteries to expand, literally robbing the working muscles and the brain of oxygen carrying blood. When traumatic shock occurs, the mechanisms causes the body to go into a prone position in an attempt to restore oxygen to the brain. Once in a prone position, enough oxygen returned to her brain for her to muster the energy to stand up. Her tremendous desire to win had programmed her body to move forward to the finish line. When Suzy reached the finish line the energy again was completely depleted. At this point, her body's protective mechanisms caused her to collapse again into a prone position. After several minutes of intravenous fluids, electrolyte restoration she was able to quietly leave through the back door without any further assistance. This traumatic experience will most likely make it extremely difficult for Suzy to ever push her body hard enough again to get close to world record time. Her central nervous system will never forget the torture that her body went through and the protective organisms of her body will resist any attempt to duplicate this act in the future. Alberto Salazar was an exceptionally determined athlete who could withstand severe pain for long periods of time. He was able to force his body to work to near death in two separate marathons before his body said "no more, Al." Good luck Suzy. We all appreciate what you have done for track and field. "makes sense to me!" Bill "maddog" Scobey
