Re: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro...
Btw-that performance is probably the most exciting middle distance run(because of the possibilities) posted by a Can in many a year(no offense Kevin). 6th all-time and he is only 19 or 20. Let's hope Webb hangs around to keep running the 1500 so Nate can stick to the 800 which will eventually make him a world class 1500 runner using whatever criteria you want to use. Regards, Martin Martin J. Dixon wrote: Not quite sub 1:46 but close. Regards, Martin 5 Nathan Brannen FR Michigan 1:46.00 Michael Contopoulos wrote: I would call 5th in the Olympic Games World Class. You can't get much more World Class than that. I would also call 7:39 indoors World Class (4th best time in the world). I would also call 3:33 World Class (top 25 in the World). Nate will run a World Class 800 (sub 1:46) within the next month if not withint the next 24 hours. Mike From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro... Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 18:46:24 -0700 With Nate running 1:47.00 (shutting down the last 100) last night, that makes Tim, Kevin, now Nate and Paul from last year to all succeed under Warhurst within the past 2 years. I don't know what he can do with mediocre talent, but the guy obviously knows how to develop World Class talent. Since when is 1:47.00 World Class? It might have been world class in, oh maybe the 40's or early 50's. I think Kevin is the only world-classer to date out of this group, and even he is borderline world class at 3:50 flat. In my book, as of 2002, 3:50 flat is the starting point for world class, and if you want to compete for honors, you'd better have the capability to go 3:48.9 or lower in a fast, paced race. Webb still has a significant jump to make. In high school he ran a 3:59 outdoors, then a huge jump to 3:53 outdoors in a single race. It remains to be seen whether he can race at sub-3:55 on a consistent basis, rain or shine. (yet he's way again of other U.S. juniors, of course) His chances of getting TO 3:50-flat are probably equally good with either Warhust or his high school coach. But that isn't what he should be shooting for. He should be shooting for 3:48 in 2003. Maybe the answer as to a coach is neither of the two, but somebody who's trained GROUPS of runners at the 3:48 level. Do the give scholarships at the University of Nairobi? RT _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
RE: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro...
I'll sell those odds. I'm up for $100 (even money), for the first 10 takers, that under his high school coach, he never sees his high school time again. I'm 2-1, for the first five takers against, 3:50.0 under any coach. very nice malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 9:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro... His chances of getting TO 3:50-flat are probably equally good with either Warhust or his high school coach. RT
Re: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro...
I would call 5th in the Olympic Games World Class. You can't get much more World Class than that. I would also call 7:39 indoors World Class (4th best time in the world). I would also call 3:33 World Class (top 25 in the World). Nate will run a World Class 800 (sub 1:46) within the next month if not withint the next 24 hours. Mike From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro... Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 18:46:24 -0700 With Nate running 1:47.00 (shutting down the last 100) last night, that makes Tim, Kevin, now Nate and Paul from last year to all succeed under Warhurst within the past 2 years. I don't know what he can do with mediocre talent, but the guy obviously knows how to develop World Class talent. Since when is 1:47.00 World Class? It might have been world class in, oh maybe the 40's or early 50's. I think Kevin is the only world-classer to date out of this group, and even he is borderline world class at 3:50 flat. In my book, as of 2002, 3:50 flat is the starting point for world class, and if you want to compete for honors, you'd better have the capability to go 3:48.9 or lower in a fast, paced race. Webb still has a significant jump to make. In high school he ran a 3:59 outdoors, then a huge jump to 3:53 outdoors in a single race. It remains to be seen whether he can race at sub-3:55 on a consistent basis, rain or shine. (yet he's way again of other U.S. juniors, of course) His chances of getting TO 3:50-flat are probably equally good with either Warhust or his high school coach. But that isn't what he should be shooting for. He should be shooting for 3:48 in 2003. Maybe the answer as to a coach is neither of the two, but somebody who's trained GROUPS of runners at the 3:48 level. Do the give scholarships at the University of Nairobi? RT _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
Re: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro...
Anyone in the know would realize that Nate hasn't been out of the pool all that long. Given that, he is doing just fine. Regards, Martin Michael Contopoulos wrote: I would call 5th in the Olympic Games World Class. You can't get much more World Class than that. I would also call 7:39 indoors World Class (4th best time in the world). I would also call 3:33 World Class (top 25 in the World). Nate will run a World Class 800 (sub 1:46) within the next month if not withint the next 24 hours. Mike From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro... Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 18:46:24 -0700 With Nate running 1:47.00 (shutting down the last 100) last night, that makes Tim, Kevin, now Nate and Paul from last year to all succeed under Warhurst within the past 2 years. I don't know what he can do with mediocre talent, but the guy obviously knows how to develop World Class talent. Since when is 1:47.00 World Class? It might have been world class in, oh maybe the 40's or early 50's. I think Kevin is the only world-classer to date out of this group, and even he is borderline world class at 3:50 flat. In my book, as of 2002, 3:50 flat is the starting point for world class, and if you want to compete for honors, you'd better have the capability to go 3:48.9 or lower in a fast, paced race. Webb still has a significant jump to make. In high school he ran a 3:59 outdoors, then a huge jump to 3:53 outdoors in a single race. It remains to be seen whether he can race at sub-3:55 on a consistent basis, rain or shine. (yet he's way again of other U.S. juniors, of course) His chances of getting TO 3:50-flat are probably equally good with either Warhust or his high school coach. But that isn't what he should be shooting for. He should be shooting for 3:48 in 2003. Maybe the answer as to a coach is neither of the two, but somebody who's trained GROUPS of runners at the 3:48 level. Do the give scholarships at the University of Nairobi? RT _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
Re: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro...
Not quite sub 1:46 but close. Regards, Martin 5 Nathan Brannen FR Michigan 1:46.00 Michael Contopoulos wrote: I would call 5th in the Olympic Games World Class. You can't get much more World Class than that. I would also call 7:39 indoors World Class (4th best time in the world). I would also call 3:33 World Class (top 25 in the World). Nate will run a World Class 800 (sub 1:46) within the next month if not withint the next 24 hours. Mike From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro... Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 18:46:24 -0700 With Nate running 1:47.00 (shutting down the last 100) last night, that makes Tim, Kevin, now Nate and Paul from last year to all succeed under Warhurst within the past 2 years. I don't know what he can do with mediocre talent, but the guy obviously knows how to develop World Class talent. Since when is 1:47.00 World Class? It might have been world class in, oh maybe the 40's or early 50's. I think Kevin is the only world-classer to date out of this group, and even he is borderline world class at 3:50 flat. In my book, as of 2002, 3:50 flat is the starting point for world class, and if you want to compete for honors, you'd better have the capability to go 3:48.9 or lower in a fast, paced race. Webb still has a significant jump to make. In high school he ran a 3:59 outdoors, then a huge jump to 3:53 outdoors in a single race. It remains to be seen whether he can race at sub-3:55 on a consistent basis, rain or shine. (yet he's way again of other U.S. juniors, of course) His chances of getting TO 3:50-flat are probably equally good with either Warhust or his high school coach. But that isn't what he should be shooting for. He should be shooting for 3:48 in 2003. Maybe the answer as to a coach is neither of the two, but somebody who's trained GROUPS of runners at the 3:48 level. Do the give scholarships at the University of Nairobi? RT _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx -- Regards, Martin Martin J. Dixon, B. Math. (Hons), C.A., Partner Millard, Rouse Rosebrugh LLP Chartered Accountants P.O. Box 367 96 Nelson Street Brantford, Ontario N3T 5N3 Direct Dial: (519) 759-3708 Ext. 231 Telephone: (519) 759-3511 Private Facsimile: (519) 759-8548 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: www.millards.com Practice Areas: www.millards.com/htm/profs/m_mjdixo.htm IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email may be confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender.
Re: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro...
Cook has been a long-time mentor to Raczko. A year ago Raczko and Warhurst had a model relationship, talking constantly about short- and long-term objectives, including the 2004 Olympics. The relationship has deteriorated. That's quite a loaded teaser. Anyone know details? Dan --- Paul Merca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...see Dick Patrick's article at http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/stories/2002-05-30-webb.htm Paul Merca = http://AccountBiller.com - MyCalendar, D-Man, ReSearch, etc. http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (lifetime forwarding address) / / (503)370-9969 phone/fax __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro...
It seems as though Webb wants to get away from Warhurst and move back to Razcko more than getting away from NCAA comp. Can anyone verify this? I would think it would be more like he would want to stay at Michigan, training with the Kevin, Tim, Paul and Nate (could you IMAGINE a better training group of North Americans???) perhaps take classes towards an eventual degree, but not run NCAA comp. In this way he still gets all the benefits of his current situation (classes towards a degree, training group and a great coach) but can concentrate on running the races and peaking at the times that make one a professional. With Nate running 1:47.00 (shutting down the last 100) last night, that makes Tim, Kevin, now Nate and Paul from last year to all succeed under Warhurst within the past 2 years. I don't know what he can do with mediocre talent, but the guy obviously knows how to develop World Class talent. Mike From: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro... Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 10:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Cook has been a long-time mentor to Raczko. A year ago Raczko and Warhurst had a model relationship, talking constantly about short- and long-term objectives, including the 2004 Olympics. The relationship has deteriorated. That's quite a loaded teaser. Anyone know details? Dan --- Paul Merca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...see Dick Patrick's article at http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/stories/2002-05-30-webb.htm Paul Merca = http://AccountBiller.com - MyCalendar, D-Man, ReSearch, etc. http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (lifetime forwarding address) / / (503)370-9969 phone/fax __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
RE: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro...
The problem is greater than just wanting to peak at the right time. Webb has been practicing on his own, not warming up/down wqith the Michigan team, and in other ways not integrating himself into the Warhurst system. Webb talks (or did throughout much of the spring) to Razcko every night, seemingly undercutting Warhurst as his coach. If Webb turned pro, it is unclear whether Warhurst would let Webb stay in his system, since by turning pro Webb would be trying to get back to his high school coach's system. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Contopoulos Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 4:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro... It seems as though Webb wants to get away from Warhurst and move back to Razcko more than getting away from NCAA comp. Can anyone verify this? I would think it would be more like he would want to stay at Michigan, training with the Kevin, Tim, Paul and Nate (could you IMAGINE a better training group of North Americans???) perhaps take classes towards an eventual degree, but not run NCAA comp. In this way he still gets all the benefits of his current situation (classes towards a degree, training group and a great coach) but can concentrate on running the races and peaking at the times that make one a professional. With Nate running 1:47.00 (shutting down the last 100) last night, that makes Tim, Kevin, now Nate and Paul from last year to all succeed under Warhurst within the past 2 years. I don't know what he can do with mediocre talent, but the guy obviously knows how to develop World Class talent. Mike From: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro... Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 10:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Cook has been a long-time mentor to Raczko. A year ago Raczko and Warhurst had a model relationship, talking constantly about short- and long-term objectives, including the 2004 Olympics. The relationship has deteriorated. That's quite a loaded teaser. Anyone know details? Dan --- Paul Merca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...see Dick Patrick's article at http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/stories/2002-05-30-webb.htm Paul Merca = http://AccountBiller.com - MyCalendar, D-Man, ReSearch, etc. http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (lifetime forwarding address) / / (503)370-9969 phone/fax __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
RE: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro...
That seems crazy! After his cross success (atributable to Warhurst I imagine) why would Webb suddenly lose faith in him and his system? Didn't we all hear about the Michigan workout that Webb ran not too long ago? Surely that was with the team and not a Razcko supplied workout. I don't think Razcko has what it takes to make an Olympic medalist. Maybe he does... who knows? But as a fan of track and field in this country, and the mile and 5k in particular, I would hate to see Alan Webb never progress any further because he was afraid to leave Razcko. From: John N. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: John N. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro... Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 16:36:58 -0400 The problem is greater than just wanting to peak at the right time. Webb has been practicing on his own, not warming up/down wqith the Michigan team, and in other ways not integrating himself into the Warhurst system. Webb talks (or did throughout much of the spring) to Razcko every night, seemingly undercutting Warhurst as his coach. If Webb turned pro, it is unclear whether Warhurst would let Webb stay in his system, since by turning pro Webb would be trying to get back to his high school coach's system. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Contopoulos Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 4:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro... It seems as though Webb wants to get away from Warhurst and move back to Razcko more than getting away from NCAA comp. Can anyone verify this? I would think it would be more like he would want to stay at Michigan, training with the Kevin, Tim, Paul and Nate (could you IMAGINE a better training group of North Americans???) perhaps take classes towards an eventual degree, but not run NCAA comp. In this way he still gets all the benefits of his current situation (classes towards a degree, training group and a great coach) but can concentrate on running the races and peaking at the times that make one a professional. With Nate running 1:47.00 (shutting down the last 100) last night, that makes Tim, Kevin, now Nate and Paul from last year to all succeed under Warhurst within the past 2 years. I don't know what he can do with mediocre talent, but the guy obviously knows how to develop World Class talent. Mike From: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro... Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 10:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Cook has been a long-time mentor to Raczko. A year ago Raczko and Warhurst had a model relationship, talking constantly about short- and long-term objectives, including the 2004 Olympics. The relationship has deteriorated. That's quite a loaded teaser. Anyone know details? Dan --- Paul Merca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...see Dick Patrick's article at http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/stories/2002-05-30-webb.htm Paul Merca = http://AccountBiller.com - MyCalendar, D-Man, ReSearch, etc. http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (lifetime forwarding address) / / (503)370-9969 phone/fax __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
RE: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro...
I think Webb's decision revolves around a question I asked before he went to Michigan. When a coach gets you to 3:53 at 18, why in the world would you want to leave him? Just think if Snell or Coe had gone to a U.S. university at 18. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Contopoulos Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro... That seems crazy! After his cross success (atributable to Warhurst I imagine) why would Webb suddenly lose faith in him and his system? Didn't we all hear about the Michigan workout that Webb ran not too long ago? Surely that was with the team and not a Razcko supplied workout. I don't think Razcko has what it takes to make an Olympic medalist. Maybe he does... who knows? But as a fan of track and field in this country, and the mile and 5k in particular, I would hate to see Alan Webb never progress any further because he was afraid to leave Razcko. From: John N. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: John N. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro... Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 16:36:58 -0400 The problem is greater than just wanting to peak at the right time. Webb has been practicing on his own, not warming up/down wqith the Michigan team, and in other ways not integrating himself into the Warhurst system. Webb talks (or did throughout much of the spring) to Razcko every night, seemingly undercutting Warhurst as his coach. If Webb turned pro, it is unclear whether Warhurst would let Webb stay in his system, since by turning pro Webb would be trying to get back to his high school coach's system. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Contopoulos Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 4:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro... It seems as though Webb wants to get away from Warhurst and move back to Razcko more than getting away from NCAA comp. Can anyone verify this? I would think it would be more like he would want to stay at Michigan, training with the Kevin, Tim, Paul and Nate (could you IMAGINE a better training group of North Americans???) perhaps take classes towards an eventual degree, but not run NCAA comp. In this way he still gets all the benefits of his current situation (classes towards a degree, training group and a great coach) but can concentrate on running the races and peaking at the times that make one a professional. With Nate running 1:47.00 (shutting down the last 100) last night, that makes Tim, Kevin, now Nate and Paul from last year to all succeed under Warhurst within the past 2 years. I don't know what he can do with mediocre talent, but the guy obviously knows how to develop World Class talent. Mike From: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro... Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 10:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Cook has been a long-time mentor to Raczko. A year ago Raczko and Warhurst had a model relationship, talking constantly about short- and long-term objectives, including the 2004 Olympics. The relationship has deteriorated. That's quite a loaded teaser. Anyone know details? Dan --- Paul Merca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...see Dick Patrick's article at http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/stories/2002-05-30-webb.htm Paul Merca = http://AccountBiller.com - MyCalendar, D-Man, ReSearch, etc. http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (lifetime forwarding address) / / (503)370-9969 phone/fax __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
RE: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro...
Good question... same could be said for Ritz and that seems to be working out all right for him. Was Jim Ryun's coach in high school the KU coach? From: P.F.Talbot [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro... Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 15:27:44 -0700 I think Webb's decision revolves around a question I asked before he went to Michigan. When a coach gets you to 3:53 at 18, why in the world would you want to leave him? Just think if Snell or Coe had gone to a U.S. university at 18. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Contopoulos Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro... That seems crazy! After his cross success (atributable to Warhurst I imagine) why would Webb suddenly lose faith in him and his system? Didn't we all hear about the Michigan workout that Webb ran not too long ago? Surely that was with the team and not a Razcko supplied workout. I don't think Razcko has what it takes to make an Olympic medalist. Maybe he does... who knows? But as a fan of track and field in this country, and the mile and 5k in particular, I would hate to see Alan Webb never progress any further because he was afraid to leave Razcko. From: John N. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: John N. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro... Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 16:36:58 -0400 The problem is greater than just wanting to peak at the right time. Webb has been practicing on his own, not warming up/down wqith the Michigan team, and in other ways not integrating himself into the Warhurst system. Webb talks (or did throughout much of the spring) to Razcko every night, seemingly undercutting Warhurst as his coach. If Webb turned pro, it is unclear whether Warhurst would let Webb stay in his system, since by turning pro Webb would be trying to get back to his high school coach's system. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Contopoulos Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 4:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro... It seems as though Webb wants to get away from Warhurst and move back to Razcko more than getting away from NCAA comp. Can anyone verify this? I would think it would be more like he would want to stay at Michigan, training with the Kevin, Tim, Paul and Nate (could you IMAGINE a better training group of North Americans???) perhaps take classes towards an eventual degree, but not run NCAA comp. In this way he still gets all the benefits of his current situation (classes towards a degree, training group and a great coach) but can concentrate on running the races and peaking at the times that make one a professional. With Nate running 1:47.00 (shutting down the last 100) last night, that makes Tim, Kevin, now Nate and Paul from last year to all succeed under Warhurst within the past 2 years. I don't know what he can do with mediocre talent, but the guy obviously knows how to develop World Class talent. Mike From: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro... Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 10:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Cook has been a long-time mentor to Raczko. A year ago Raczko and Warhurst had a model relationship, talking constantly about short- and long-term objectives, including the 2004 Olympics. The relationship has deteriorated. That's quite a loaded teaser. Anyone know details? Dan --- Paul Merca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...see Dick Patrick's article at http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/stories/2002-05-30-webb.htm Paul Merca = http://AccountBiller.com - MyCalendar, D-Man, ReSearch, etc. http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (lifetime forwarding address) / / (503)370-9969 phone/fax __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device
Re: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro...
With Nate running 1:47.00 (shutting down the last 100) last night, that makes Tim, Kevin, now Nate and Paul from last year to all succeed under Warhurst within the past 2 years. I don't know what he can do with mediocre talent, but the guy obviously knows how to develop World Class talent. Since when is 1:47.00 World Class? It might have been world class in, oh maybe the 40's or early 50's. I think Kevin is the only world-classer to date out of this group, and even he is borderline world class at 3:50 flat. In my book, as of 2002, 3:50 flat is the starting point for world class, and if you want to compete for honors, you'd better have the capability to go 3:48.9 or lower in a fast, paced race. Webb still has a significant jump to make. In high school he ran a 3:59 outdoors, then a huge jump to 3:53 outdoors in a single race. It remains to be seen whether he can race at sub-3:55 on a consistent basis, rain or shine. (yet he's way again of other U.S. juniors, of course) His chances of getting TO 3:50-flat are probably equally good with either Warhust or his high school coach. But that isn't what he should be shooting for. He should be shooting for 3:48 in 2003. Maybe the answer as to a coach is neither of the two, but somebody who's trained GROUPS of runners at the 3:48 level. Do the give scholarships at the University of Nairobi? RT
Re: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro...
might as well correct my own typos before other folks: Webb still has a significant jump to make. In high school he ran a 3:59 outdoors, then a huge jump to 3:53 outdoors in a single race. that was 3:59 indoors, as we all know It remains to be seen whether he can race at sub-3:55 on a consistent basis, rain or shine. (yet he's way again of other U.S. juniors, of course) that's way AHEAD of other American juniors, although I suspect his 'lead' list-wise over other U.S. juniors this year may not be nearly as much as how much better he was last year in comparison to other high schoolers. There are always some college freshman who weren't privy to top coaching in HS, who drop huge chunks of time their freshman year. Those who DID get top HS coaching are not able to take off as much time. Ryun went from 3:55 HS to 3:53 as a freshman, and 3:51 as a sophomore, but not big 10- or 15-second improvement chunks like Craig Masback and Steve Scott and Tom Byers were able to produce. Do the give scholarships at the University of Nairobi? Do THEY give... show's what happens when the wife is calling me to the supper table when I'm trying to wrap up an e-mail- no chance to re-read and spell-check. Maybe Algiers Polytech would be an even better choice. The Bob Kennedy model of train three times a day with a top TRULY world-class group, just sleeping and eating in between workouts, moving training locations with the seasons to get constant decent weather, is the answer. Ann Arbor year- round won't cut it. Too bad Kim McDonald is no longer with us. Who is the 1500/Mile version of Kim McDonald? RT
