Re: t-and-f: Incredible!
I agree with Darrell The class that Curtis has put together is incredible, I have to believe that if Arkansas or Stanford put together something like this on the distance side of things for the men or women this list might be losing it mind right now. A certain T F News cover comes to mind. Let's face it Curtis and his staff have put together a class that covers every sprint hurdle and relay event and covers them in a big way. So lets stop trying to down play the accomplishment of the U.S.C. staff, the bottom line here is that they did a great job of putting together a top notch class and I like many others am looking forward to watching these young ladies develop. Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/10/00 12:15AM This is incredibly ridiculous. If I was a lesser man I would leave this list, but I cannot let the dark side win. Let me repeat, what Coach Frye has pulled off in SC is incredible! There are no excuses, no parallels, no alternatives. It is simply incredible and something to be commended, not rip apart, and credited to something that happened in the past. It is not something to be debated because you do not respect another part of the sport, or feel as though it was slighted. And it is definitely not something to be set aside so you can indulge your passion for pessimism rooted in your hunger for misery, and company. I am excited by track news that involves track, and indulges my desire for progress, and competition. Thus, I am excited by Coach Frye's recruiting class. By the way, look for Demus to be the first girl under 40 seconds in the 300ih. DGS The G.O.A.T.
RE: t-and-f: Incredible!
In defense of Georgetown, Ron Helmer, and Andrew Valmon - they have put together terrific relays for several years, both on the men's and women's side. Their men's 4x400 relay last year ran a close second to East Carolina at the IC4A championships in Princeton. I would be willing to bet that Valmon's young crew (mostly sophomores last year) will be ready to roll this year and will be an NCAA-level 4x400 team. As for their 4x100 - of course they use jumpers on occasion. Who wouldn't? LJ/TJer Melvin Lister was the lead-off leg for Arkansas in the NCAA meet last year and put them out front with a 45.0 out of the blocks. With only 12.6 scholarships (maximum) in men's track and field, athletes have to be able to do more than one event. Almost every program in the country will look for a jumper to run relays so that they can maximize their scholarship capabilities. GU's jumpers are no slouch, either. Guys like France Davis and Stephen Baldi have been at the top on the East Coast for the last several years. Matt Munson
Re: t-and-f: Incredible!
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think people put a lot of weight into what's been going on in Arkansas. While they were innovative in their approach, others have started to copy their mold of success. I think things will begin to balance out on the men's side. I guess another question would be, is the reason women's teams have not tried to copy the Arkansas men's style a sign that there are too few dominant women jumpers/distance runners? Edward Caine Esq. You sure you want to hang with ol Eddie Caine Jr.? - 1997 Arkansas was innovative in copying the models for success that UTEP, and others, used . . . == "They'll speak our names in hushed tones, 'those guys are animals' they'll say! We can lay it on the line, bust a gut, show them a clean pair of heels. We can sprint the turn on a spring breeze and feel the winter leave our feet!" - Quenton Cassidy _ i-run.com - your running log A free online running log
Re: t-and-f: Incredible!
This is incredibly ridiculous. If I was a lesser man I would leave this list, but I cannot let the dark side win. Let me repeat, what Coach Frye has pulled off in SC is incredible! There are no excuses, no parallels, no alternatives. It is simply incredible and something to be commended, not rip apart, and credited to something that happened in the past. It is not something to be debated because you do not respect another part of the sport, or feel as though it was slighted. And it is definitely not something to be set aside so you can indulge your passion for pessimism rooted in your hunger for misery, and company. I am excited by track news that involves track, and indulges my desire for progress, and competition. Thus, I am excited by Coach Frye's recruiting class. By the way, look for Demus to be the first girl under 40 seconds in the 300ih. DGS The G.O.A.T.
Re: t-and-f: Incredible!
In a message dated 12/8/00 7:39:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Curtis Frye has pulled off a major coup. His new signings are simply staggering. If these young ladies can continue to develop SC will be unbeatable for the next 4 to 5 years. Good job Curtis!!! 12.5.2000 Carolina Track and Field Women's Signing Class Already Hailed as the Best in the Country by Many Columbia, SC (Dec. 5, 2000) -- With four of the six ranked in the top five nationally by Track and Field News, the South Carolina women's track and field team has signed six outstanding females to national letter of intents for 2001. The class is already being hailed around the country by many as one of the best ever. The Carolina women's team begins competition in New York City on January 12 and has already been deemed the preseason No. 1 nationally. The 2001 class includes: Khalilah Carpenter (Columbus, OH), Lashinda Demus (Palmdale, CA), Alexis Joyce (Denver, CO), Tiffany Ross (Miami, FL), Shevon Stoddart (Uniondale, NY) and Erica Whipple (West Palm Beach, FL)."This is the best signing class I have ever been associated with. That includes classes at North Carolina that had Marion Jones and then another class that included Monique Hennagan and LaTosha Collander. This class is equal or better," said Carolina Head Coach Curtis Frye, the women's outdoor national coach of the year in 1999. "I can't imagine anyone in the country having a better women's class than this one of US athletes. They are calling this class the Fab Five on the internet. We call them the Sensational Six. They are just a fabulous group of young ladies. We are excited more than ever about our possibilities for a national championship. They will make their mark on the NCAA and hopefully in 2004 will make an impact on the world level."Khalilah Carpenter was the national high school champion in the 100 and 200m. A six-time Ohio state champion, she has competed all over the US and in Chile and Poland. She won the National Outdoor title in the 200 m and was the runner-up in the 100 m. She is ranked No. 1 in the 100 m and No. 2 in the 200 m by Track and Field News. Her personal bests are 11.37 in the 100 m and 23.13 in the 200m."Khaliah is outstanding. She has represented the US all over the world. She has the experience to be a phenomenal athlete," said Frye. "She has not run indoor track."Lashinda Demus, the 1999 Track and Field News Female Athlete of the Year, is the national champion in the 400 m hurdles and the indoor 400 m. She is on the record-holding 4x400m relay. She has won five national age group titles in the 800 m. Her best times include 400 m hurdles: 57.10, 100 m hurdles: 13.60, 200 m: 24.10 and 400 m: 52.97. She is ranked No. 2 in the 300/400m hurdles by Track and Field News."She represented the US at the Pan American games and won two titles. She is one of the top 400 m runners in the country right now. Her goal this year is to break the national record in the 300 m hurdles," said Frye.Alexis Joyce is the individual national champion in the 60 m and was second at Junior Nationals in the 100 m. She ran the lead-off leg on the Pan American Junior champion 4x100m that set the world junior record in 1999. Her personal bests include 11.41 in the 100m and 23.54 in the 200m."She is the leader of the fastest 4x100m relay run at the junior level in the world. She is one of the best young sprinters at her age ever. We are looking for some big things out of her," said Frye. "She is a dynamo at 5' 1 and very powerful."Frye calls Tiffany Ross the most unsung athlete of the class. She is ranked No. 3 in the 300/400m hurdles by Track and Field News. Ross has the third fastest time in the country in the 300 m hurdles at 41.41, ran a 13.85 in the 100m hurdles and a 58.85 in the 400 m hurdles. She was the Golden South champion in the 100m hurdles."She has the third fastest time ever in the 400 m hurdles, having run the race just once. She is versatile as a triple jumper and will make an immediate impact," said Frye. Shevon Stoddart is the junior national champion in the 400 m hurdles and was fourth at the US Championships. She has a personal best of 58.10 in the 400 m hurdles, 24.20 in the 200 m and 54.40 in the 400m."One of the best athletes in the state of New York last year and was one of the top athletes nationally. She has the speed to be an NCAA top-level intermediate hurdler immediately and should be competing for the SEC title her freshman year," said Frye. Erica Whipple was the first Flo Jo Award winner for the nation's top youth track and field athlete. She is ranked No. 3 in the 100m, No. 5 in the 200 m and No. 5 with the 4x100m relay by Track and Field News. She is a Junior
Re: t-and-f: Incredible!
Not for the women. First and foremost they have 17/18 scholarships. The girls you see before you can span 2-4 events at the NCAA level, at the minimum 2. This makes it all the same. Plus, in the history of the women's competitions, the champions have been sprint oriented, for whatever reasons. LSU won in 1996 with 5 women that ran the sprints and hurdles. And there is no more economy in distance and jumps, as opposed to sprints and hurdlers. DGS The G.O.A.T.
Re: t-and-f: Incredible!
In a message dated 12/8/00 8:27:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, Dgs1170 writes: Not for the women. First and foremost they have 17/18 scholarships. The girls you see before you can span 2-4 events at the NCAA level, at the minimum 2. This makes it all the same. Plus, in the history of the women's competitions, the champions have been sprint oriented, for whatever reasons. LSU won in 1996 with 5 women that ran the sprints and hurdles. And there is no more economy in distance and jumps, as opposed to sprints and hurdlers. Yes, but jumpers can long jump, triple, some can high. and all usually are decent sprinters. Distance runners can also run cross country which fills an entire sport with only track scholarships, or vice versa. Of course there is more than one way to pluck a dog. Mike
Re: t-and-f: Incredible!
But you are looking at it from a men's point of view. The women do not have the scholarship issues that the men do. Very few jumpers do anything other than jump. Less women jumpers double effectively. And you are still only talking about 2 events. These girls that Frye has recruited will score in 3 events a piece. XC does not figure into this, it has nothing to do with on the track competition. Plus, most of the collegiate XC stars are on the track stars, it is a wash. DGS The G.O.A.T.
