Re: t-and-f: Comments On/After Berlin
In a message dated 00-09-05 20:31:51 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While we ponder the foolishness of the powers that be, we have missed an interesting issue. The 4x400m relay. Who will run the final? Let's say it is the top 3, and then who? I have even money on Angelo Taylor. For 2 year snow he has been tauted and almost groomed for the relay spot. A definite talent, but why him over the 400m men. Angelo is a good leg for high 43s, but so are 3 other members of relay pool. I see no real benefit with him, while he costs us nothing in the same vein. I was in Buffalo two years ago for the NCAA's. They ran the relay around 8:00pm and it was FREEZING! For that time of the year (June), it was 48 degrees. Angelo Taylor took the stick with a huge cushion and still split 43.7. He's a very strong, aggressive runner and has 43.2-43.1 potential. Larry A. Morgan Elizabeth Heat TC
FW: t-and-f: Comments On/After Berlin
Posted For Willy (at his request)! I am a tad surprised by the dearth of comments about the impending politics in the USA men's 4x100 relay. Bob Bettwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Director - Program Control Washington Group SRS Technologies (703) 351-7266 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 11:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Comments On/After Berlin The reasons you gave for resistance are the silly preconceived notions that have lead to these ridiculous battles about relays. It is a big deal to talk of SMTC in track circles, and the tremendous exploits of its members over the years. But the mention of HSI seems to bring the worst out of many. Please explain to me? I remember the reaming of Darrell when he used to post here, and I often wondered what was the reason for the venom. I now wonder what is the reason for the resistance to what many have begged for on this very list, a team that has practiced together and knows each other. I also, recall a campaign for team competition at the trials. Well here is the fastest "team" to ever be assembled outside of the national team, and you have reservations because they MIGHT tell you about THEIR accomplishment. I say good for them. If "they" can bring home the gold for the good ol' US of A, I am all for it. I do not have to worry about squabbles over anchor, or who wants to run what leg. BTW, where I live has very little to do with who i am a fan of. Because I love the dallas Cowboys does that mean I "obviously live in Dallas"? Who am I? I am William E. Beaman, never been called Bill, I will leave that moniker to Bubba in Washington. William E.
Re: FW: t-and-f: Comments On/After Berlin
In a message dated 9/5/00 6:28:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am a tad surprised by the dearth of comments about the impending politics in the USA men's 4x100 relay. The shit will hit the fan soon enough. A.C.
Re: FW: t-and-f: Comments On/After Berlin
over the years. But the mention of HSI seems to bring the worst out of many. Please explain to me? I remember the reaming of Darrell when he used to post here, and I often wondered what was the reason for the venom. It's the flag. There is something a little bit over the top about taking a victory lap waving a flag that displays a logo celebrating your business agent. Kurt Bray _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: t-and-f: Comments On/After Berlin
While we ponder the foolishness of the powers that be, we have missed an interesting issue. The 4x400m relay. Who will run the final? Let's say it is the top 3, and then who? I have even money on Angelo Taylor. For 2 year snow he has been tauted and almost groomed for the relay spot. A definite talent, but why him over the 400m men. Angelo is a good leg for high 43s, but so are 3 other members of relay pool. I see no real benefit with him, while he costs us nothing in the same vein. Last year i thought we sorely missed a decent lead of leg, and I saw that problem result from the insistance that Angelo be included in the final. Funny, huh? Arguing about a relay that has lost once in the last umpteen years. W. B.
Re: t-and-f: Comments On/After Berlin
On Tuesday, September 05, 2000 4:23 PM Willy Beaman said: While we ponder the foolishness of the powers that be, we have missed an interesting issue. The 4x400m relay. Who will run the final? Let's say it is the top 3, and then who? I have even money on Angelo Taylor. For 2 year snow he has been tauted and almost groomed for the relay spot. A definite talent, but why him over the 400m men. Angelo is a good leg for high 43s, but so are 3 other members of relay pool. I see no real benefit with him, while he costs us nothing in the same vein. Last year i thought we sorely missed a decent lead of leg, and I saw that problem result from the insistance that Angelo be included in the final. Funny, huh? Arguing about a relay that has lost once in the last umpteen years. Actually Angelo is one of our best 400 runners right now .. Outside of MJ you never know who is going to go sub 45 these days .. Let alone talk about running mid to low 43 relay .. I still think we will win the 4x4 in Sydney .. But unless something happens real fast I don't think they will approach the WR ... MJ Angelo would be the only sure bets for mid to low 43's .. Not that either of the Harrison's or Pettigrew aren't capable .. They just haven't shown it these past few weeks .. Hopefully they are getting ready to peak .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Comments On/After Berlin
Just some comments after watching the Berlin meet and reading the latest
digest post (#3167).
First, who is Willy Beamon? Obviously from LA, is this really someone named
"Bill Beamon"? Coach, official, agent, athlete?
Thank goodness for ESPN and the Golden League series. I was really looking
forward to hearing Larry and Lewis (LewJo?) present us the meets this year.
They did a great job all year.
I am still not convinced that Donovan Bailey lines up for his race thinking
"nah, I don't need to try and win this race". Now, Ato is the one that has
me scratching my head. However, just like Capel, I expect to see him on the
stand in Australia.
I agree with someone's comment that the start lists could stay up longer on
the TV coverage.
Boy, I thought I was watching the Giovanni Evangilisti re-make in the
Women's LJ. Although it is dangerous to use the "distance boards" as a
guide, especially when you only watch one jump, but it looked like Kotova
went about 6.85 on the final jump! But, lo and behold, she got 6.96!! Just
enough to win some gold???
As far as the men short relay goes, I have no problem with the USA selecting
the HSI group to run. Ever since 1988, I have been a huge advocate of
keeping the same 4 guys together in all rounds. At the TAFWA luncheon this
year in Durham, USA Team Coach John Chaplin made it crystal clear that his
intention was to keep he same four runners in all rounds! Of course, if you
assume a gold medal, he acknowledged that we may leave two medals "on the
table" (as other can run in the rounds). For this reason, he said, he will
be getting pressure from athletes' "coaches, agents, trainers, wives and
spiritual gurus" to include "their guy" on the team. Resisting that
pressure was going to be a full-time job. My take is this: Gold for 4 is
WAY more important than other colored medals for 6 - and I think everyone
here agrees with that. The time run by the HSI group (37.65) says good
things about what they might be able to do down under.
The resistance, from the track cognoscenti, will be allowing the HSI group
to "brag" about their "relay gold in Sydney" should they win. It may sound
a little "un-team-like" to the entire American squad for them to say "look
at how great we are, we (HSI) won the gold by ourselves". Although I like
the HSI group and what John/Darrell/Emmanuel are doing, who here thinks we
wouldn't hear that in the months (years?) that follow? Bottom line, the
politics of keeping that group together or breaking it up just "because they
all are on the HSI team" worry me.
Hey, 38.18 for our second team. Each country gets two sleds in bobsledding
("bobsleigh"), so can we have two relay teams? Okay, okay, okay, no other
country would EVER agree to that. Well, maybe we could get the Chinese to
concur after we dangle the "Beijing 2008" carrot in front of them!!
For those of you that are not impressed with my posting here, I am sorry.
But age-graded, it is a personal best!
See you in Sydney,
Bob Bettwy
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Director - Program Control
Washington Group
SRS Technologies
(703) 351-7266
P.S. Does anyone know the status of HJ'er Marc Chenn competing for Hong Kong
in Sydney. That was his earlier plan had he not made the US team.
