t-and-f: Greene and Moses/HBO
Maurice Greene and Edwin Moses are scheduled to appear on Bob Costas' show on HBO tonight at 11pm(EST). Walt Murphy
RE: t-and-f: Greene and Moses/HBO
<<< Maurice Greene and Edwin Moses are scheduled to appear on Bob Costas' show on HBO tonight at 11pm(EST). >>> I saw this last night, and I enjoyed seeing Moses. But, I could not figure out why the show included Maurice Greene (by satellite). The only thing they seemed to be going for is to try and embarrass Maurice "more" than the world has already. Costas asked Ed Moses about his career and how important his style and "grace" were and how/where he developed that ... then he discussed another great sportsmen, Arthur Ashe. Then he "tunes" Maurice in on a TV screen ... and just kind of went to work on him for something that happened SIX MONTHS AGO. It looked to me like an "ambush". They even showed tape of Sydney. What crap. If I was Maurice I would have asked why I am going to be on a TV screen while they Moses sitting right there. It seemed to me that the show only brought Maurice on to contrast an example of bad behavior with supposedly exemplary behavior (Moses). That is garbage and Maurice Greene deserves better. Nobody would turn down appearing on HBO in prime time, but maybe this should be a warning to other athletes. Costas (and his show) just seemed to want to stir up some bitterness ... not talk about TRACK. A couple weeks ago Costas had Vince McMahon on the show and he took a few shots at WWF Wrestling (and how it breeds violence), but McMahon was ready with a lot of research, facts and discussion and Costas was under-prepared. He made Costas look pretty bad, which is VERY HARD to do with a topic like WCW wrestling. Too bad Mr. Greene didn't know what he was in for before appearing on that screen. For those of you without HBO, don't buy it, unless you like Soprano's. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 4:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Greene and Moses/HBO Walt Murphy
Re: t-and-f: Greene and Moses/HBO
In a message dated 3/29/01 10:29:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Then he "tunes" Maurice in on a TV screen ... and just kind of went to work on him for something that happened SIX MONTHS AGO. It looked to me like an "ambush". They even showed tape of Sydney. What crap. If I was Maurice I would have asked why I am going to be on a TV screen while they Moses sitting right there. It seemed to me that the show only brought Maurice on to contrast an example of bad behavior with supposedly exemplary behavior (Moses). That is garbage and Maurice Greene deserves better. >> Let's be fair heredon't you think Maurice would rather stay in L.A. to train, rather than fly all the way to NY for a short segment...do you really think Maurice didn't expect Costas to ask about Sydney? Before they got into the actions of the 4x100 relay in Sydney, Costas gave Maurice the proper intro by talking about the "world's fastest man" and asked him how much he could improve on his 100m world record. There was also a discussion about the ill-fated duel with Michael Johnson. As much as many (most?) people think it's old news, there are obviously some who still have strong feelings about what happened in Sydney. I thought Costas was fair in his interview with Maurice, and it gave a national audience the chance to see the "real" Mo. And Moses was quick to defend Maurice, citing his "maturity" in explaining his actions and his apology to those who were offended. Walt Murphy
RE: t-and-f: Greene and Moses/HBO
Brian wrote: ><<< Maurice Greene and Edwin Moses are scheduled to appear on Bob Costas' >show on HBO tonight at 11pm(EST). >>> > >I saw this last night, and I enjoyed seeing Moses. But, I could not figure >out why the show included Maurice Greene (by satellite). The only thing >they seemed to be going for is to try and embarrass Maurice "more" than the >world has already. > >Costas asked Ed Moses about his career and how important his style and >"grace" were and how/where he developed that ... then he discussed another >great sportsmen, Arthur Ashe. > >Then he "tunes" Maurice in on a TV screen ... and just kind of went to work >on him for something that happened SIX MONTHS AGO. It looked to me like an >"ambush". They even showed tape of Sydney. What crap. > >If I was Maurice I would have asked why I am going to be on a TV screen >while they Moses sitting right there. It seemed to me that the show only >brought Maurice on to contrast an example of bad behavior with supposedly >exemplary behavior (Moses). That is garbage and Maurice Greene deserves >better. > >Nobody would turn down appearing on HBO in prime time, but maybe this should >be a warning to other athletes. Costas (and his show) just seemed to want >to stir up some bitterness ... not talk about TRACK. > >A couple weeks ago Costas had Vince McMahon on the show and he took a few >shots at WWF Wrestling (and how it breeds violence), but McMahon was ready >with a lot of research, facts and discussion and Costas was under-prepared. >He made Costas look pretty bad, which is VERY HARD to do with a topic like >WCW wrestling. > >Too bad Mr. Greene didn't know what he was in for before appearing on that >screen. > >For those of you without HBO, don't buy it, unless you like Soprano's. > I watched this telecast as well and came away with the same impression that you did - that Costas went out of his way to try to embarrass Maurice ... ANd I do not think that MO was told in advance that that would be the topic of discussion ... Even MOses attempted to back up Maurice's statements regarding his apologizing to the fans and applauded him for his maturity ... Costas had a great opportunity to talk to 2 stars of the sport yet his focus definitely seemed to be to focus on the negative ... Conway Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: t-and-f: Greene and Moses/HBO
You bring up a topic that has been on my mind for a few months, Brian. What is going on with Costas? Where is the knowledgeable, baseball announcer I used to love to listen to? He was always insightful, straight forward, and cordial. Over the last year, especially since he got his show, he has been surly, he curses, and he is clearly out for ratings. I saw the McMahon interview also, and Vince ripped him a new one for the mud raking tactics. The interview started innocent enough, and Bob had his game plan. Vince was ready for it, and the exchanges were classic (but it did make me question the reality of the whole thing). As for the Maurice interview last night, he was warned. I personally told him to be ready because of what I had witnessed in the previous show. It was clear to me that it was a set up. It would have been different if Costas was trying to give Maurice a chance to save face, or apologize for the final time, but that was not the case. The questions were slanted, and he was digging for specific responses. I thought Maurice gave good answers, and did a good job of putting the issue to rest. As for Costas, he has evolved into a shock jock. He had Ashley Judd on there and allowed her to talk ad nauseum about UK basketball, and whatever else, he had Edwin, and talked about the good things, he brought Maurice out as an example of how not to act in the limelight, which he prefaced in his interview with Edwin. And Maurice was not in studio because he could not afford the time to make the trip to New York, but Costas personally requested the satellite feed. Go figure! Darrell Faith is a road seldom traveled
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Walt says: >As much as many (most?) people think it's old news, there are obviously >some >who still have strong feelings about what happened in Sydney. Yeah, there are still some who are interested, but the interest seems to be largely confined to TV producers and interviewers. The rest of us have heard the explanations many times, have accepted the apologies, and are ready to move on. Unfortunately, until a new track "controversy" comes along to displace it, we're going to have to keep reliving this one. Kurt Bray _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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>Unfortunately, until a new track "controversy" comes along to displace it, >we're going to have to keep reliving this one. Another take on it: The image of the post-race goings on at Sydney will remain an emblazoned image in the mind of the general populace who hadn't heard of Greene before Sydney, until a different image takes its place. Interviews and carefully crafted 'up-close-and-personals' will not change it. The only thing that will work is a major victory (are the WC's enough, or will it have to wait until Athens '04?), followed by a lap around the track with Greene holding aloft the hand of his most despised competitor, raising others up to his level, rather than pushing himself above them. Graciousness in victory is the only thing that will overcome an image of self-congratulatory decadence. The image probably doesn't fit if you really know Greene personally, but it's the image that he's now stuck with. Try on the relationship of Jesse Owens and Luz Long for size. That's what the public wants. Warning: anything that smacks of such a scene being crafted by 'handlers' will have the opposite of the intended effect. RT
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Randy wrote: >Try on the relationship of Jesse Owens and Luz Long for size. That's >what the public wants. > >Warning: anything that smacks of such a scene being crafted by >'handlers' will have the opposite of the intended effect. > Is it what the "public" wants or what the Media wants ... We've pretty much already confirmed on this list that the "public" doesn't care about the sport one way or another ... That the "public" only really tunes in once every four years to see the spectacle called the Olympics and to see the stars shine .. Would it be the Media then that is looking for something to sell in between time ??? I put it in this fashion as I find it somewhat ironic that while the Media will use to ad nauseum the music, clothing, and style of the "hip hop" generation to sell anything and everything under the sun they don't find the celebrations of the same group to be appealing enough to try to use to sell sport ... Not that I am either condoning nor condemning what the 4x1 personnel did in Sydney ... But if they couldn't find something to "sell" why couldn't they just let it go and move on to the next "sellable" moment ???Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: t-and-f: Greene and Moses/HBO
In a message dated 03/29/2001 2:11:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Another take on it: The image of the post-race goings on at Sydney will remain an emblazoned image in the mind of the general populace who hadn't heard of Greene before Sydney, until a different image takes its place. Interviews and carefully crafted 'up-close-and-personals' will not change it. The only thing that will work is a major victory (are the WC's enough, or will it have to wait until Athens '04?), followed by a lap around the track with Greene holding aloft the hand of his most despised competitor, raising others up to his level, rather than pushing himself above them. Graciousness in victory is the only thing that will overcome an image of self-congratulatory decadence. The image probably doesn't fit if you really know Greene personally, but it's the image that he's now stuck with. Try on the relationship of Jesse Owens and Luz Long for size. That's what the public wants. Warning: anything that smacks of such a scene being crafted by 'handlers' will have the opposite of the intended effect. RT In general, this is under the assumption that people are looking for the better good. I submit that today's, American media, and its viewers are not interested in the better good of any situation. It is fashionable to talk about the problem until the cows come home. Any attempt to discuss the solution is met with screams of favoritism, nationalism, bigotry, sexism, etc. This man made crisis will revisit us all in 2004. We all know the story line that will last until the next Olympiad, "Let's hope the USA 4x100 m can redeem themselves from the embarrassing, buffoonery we witnessed in 2000!" Every time you see a member of that team, you will be bombarded with images of Bernard and Brian flexing, and preening for the crowd. You will be told how sorry they were post celebration, and we will be treated to the dark room, up close quote, "I was just so happy! I was unaware that I had offended anyone. The crowd was calling, and cheering, and we were just so happy to have won the gold." Walt, I respect you and all the knowledge you share, but you are wrong on this one. The only audience interested in this work in the truck. Even here, the ultraconservative, Oregon list, folks have grown weary of the brow beating. Costas' show was a cheap thrill. But it was indicative of today's mindset in the States. ( I cannot speak of the world, I live in the States) Bad news, sensational, scapegoat, and sound bites. Who cares what the real story is, just tell us who got maimed, and did they catch anyone that might have done what was alleged. Darrell Faith is a road seldom traveled
