Re: t-and-f: Longetivity of state prep records
The other problem we have in Texas is that even on those official state meet records, the UIL (University Interscholastic League, our governing body) absolutely refuses to use logic in anything it does. Currently, the 100 record is officially listed as a hand-timed 9.9. The UIL absolutely refuses to admit that FAT is more accurate than hand, and treats that 9.9 as a 9.90 FAT. In a rare moment of lucidity, the UIL switched from use of hand to FAT in 1995, but because they won't adjust that old 9.9, the only way we will ever see a new 100 record is if some high school kid can run a 9.89! In other words, it will last for eternity. Last year, Brendan Christian ran a 20.56 in the 200, and the UIL was refusing to announce it as a state record because Joe DeLoach had a 20.5 HT. They finally changed their minds after we sportswriters up in the press box threatened to lynch the UIL's public information director. Lee Nichols Austin I don't know how other states work...but another problem that occurs in Texas is that there are State Records and Official State Records. Official State Records can only be set at the State Meet. I guess so the UIL can ensure the incompetency of the officiating. Athletes are always breaking the official state records but not coming close to the actual state records. Texas HS Records: http://www.texastrack.com/state_records.htm --- Geoff Pietsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The difficulty, of course, is that states have old yard records that are often superior to the current metric ones but are often hard to find. A couple of years ago, here in Florida, the State Meet announcer got all excited about a new record in the girls' 3200 when the reality was that another girl had run 20 seconds faster for 2 miles back in the early '80s. The new record-setter was not, as it happened, even the fastest girl from here in Gainesville - despite the local headlines - since the 2 mile record-setter was also local. New records are constantly being set at the State Meet - and proclaimed far and wide - while the even faster kids of the past are forgotten. Geoff Pietsch From: Janet Heinonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Janet Heinonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Longetivity of state prep records Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 21:24:00 -0700 The Oregonian ran an interesting story 5/23/02 on Oregon prep track records which look unbeatable (11.05-- Margaret Johnson Bailes, 8:08 -- Steve Prefontaine, 6-3/4 -- Joni Huntley, 2:03.02 --Leann Warren, 10.25 --Gus Envela, 259-10 -- Art Skipper). The story said that the average age of the girls' records was 18.6 years; boys' was 12.4 years. Does anyone on the list have similar info from their state? State meet programs might provide the records. Janet Heinonen, Editor Keeping Track Newsletter _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- Lee Nichols Assistant News Editor The Austin Chronicle 512/454-5766 ext. 138 fax 512/458-6910 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Longetivity of state prep records
After checking the ihsa.org site, it's clear that Illinois has solved the issue of combining yard and metric records by retaining the yard performances only if they are absolutely (i.e.unconverted) faster than the times for the shorter metric races. Thus Virgin's 8:42.6 for 2 miles is listed as the 3200 record even though he ran faster, of course, for 3200 while en route (unless, like Pogo, he coverd it in nothing flat). Better than nothing, I guess, but if some future kid runs 8:42.0 for 3200 Virgin will disappear from the record list even though he clearly was faster. It's puzzling and frustrating that the honchos in the state associations, who are mostly old fogies (like me) aren't more interested in giving due credit to the great athletes of the past, athletes they are, presumably, familiar with. It's also puzzling/disappointing that they fail to utilize the TFN conversions. Track is their religion so why don't they use the Bible of the Sport? Geoff From: Dave Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Dave Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Longetivity of state prep records Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 21:03:38 -0700 (PDT) For Illinois, check www.ihsa.org and follow the link to track and field. There have been some great runners from Illinois. The 800/880 record has been around for 20+ years. The 3200/2 mile record is 30 years old (Craig Virgin in 1972) = Dave Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Re: t-and-f: Longetivity of state prep records
The difficulty, of course, is that states have old yard records that are often superior to the current metric ones but are often hard to find. A couple of years ago, here in Florida, the State Meet announcer got all excited about a new record in the girls' 3200 when the reality was that another girl had run 20 seconds faster for 2 miles back in the early '80s. The new record-setter was not, as it happened, even the fastest girl from here in Gainesville - despite the local headlines - since the 2 mile record-setter was also local. New records are constantly being set at the State Meet - and proclaimed far and wide - while the even faster kids of the past are forgotten. Geoff Pietsch From: Janet Heinonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Janet Heinonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Longetivity of state prep records Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 21:24:00 -0700 The Oregonian ran an interesting story 5/23/02 on Oregon prep track records which look unbeatable (11.05-- Margaret Johnson Bailes, 8:08 -- Steve Prefontaine, 6-3/4 -- Joni Huntley, 2:03.02 --Leann Warren, 10.25 --Gus Envela, 259-10 -- Art Skipper). The story said that the average age of the girls' records was 18.6 years; boys' was 12.4 years. Does anyone on the list have similar info from their state? State meet programs might provide the records. Janet Heinonen, Editor Keeping Track Newsletter _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
Re: t-and-f: Longetivity of state prep records
I don't know how other states work...but another problem that occurs in Texas is that there are State Records and Official State Records. Official State Records can only be set at the State Meet. I guess so the UIL can ensure the incompetency of the officiating. Athletes are always breaking the official state records but not coming close to the actual state records. Texas HS Records: http://www.texastrack.com/state_records.htm --- Geoff Pietsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The difficulty, of course, is that states have old yard records that are often superior to the current metric ones but are often hard to find. A couple of years ago, here in Florida, the State Meet announcer got all excited about a new record in the girls' 3200 when the reality was that another girl had run 20 seconds faster for 2 miles back in the early '80s. The new record-setter was not, as it happened, even the fastest girl from here in Gainesville - despite the local headlines - since the 2 mile record-setter was also local. New records are constantly being set at the State Meet - and proclaimed far and wide - while the even faster kids of the past are forgotten. Geoff Pietsch From: Janet Heinonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Janet Heinonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Longetivity of state prep records Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 21:24:00 -0700 The Oregonian ran an interesting story 5/23/02 on Oregon prep track records which look unbeatable (11.05-- Margaret Johnson Bailes, 8:08 -- Steve Prefontaine, 6-3/4 -- Joni Huntley, 2:03.02 --Leann Warren, 10.25 --Gus Envela, 259-10 -- Art Skipper). The story said that the average age of the girls' records was 18.6 years; boys' was 12.4 years. Does anyone on the list have similar info from their state? State meet programs might provide the records. Janet Heinonen, Editor Keeping Track Newsletter _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: Longetivity of state prep records
For Illinois, check www.ihsa.org and follow the link to track and field. There have been some great runners from Illinois. The 800/880 record has been around for 20+ years. The 3200/2 mile record is 30 years old (Craig Virgin in 1972) = Dave Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
t-and-f: Longetivity of state prep records
The Oregonian ran an interesting story 5/23/02 on Oregon prep track records which look unbeatable (11.05-- Margaret Johnson Bailes, 8:08 -- Steve Prefontaine, 6-3/4 -- Joni Huntley, 2:03.02 --Leann Warren, 10.25 --Gus Envela, 259-10 -- Art Skipper). The story said that the average age of the girls' records was 18.6 years; boys' was 12.4 years. Does anyone on the list have similar info from their state? State meet programs might provide the records. Janet Heinonen, Editor Keeping Track Newsletter
