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Yeah, right. First, he's contradicting BR, who said "everyone ran 4:30 in high school". Second, he was baiting you. Top 10 possible responses: 10) Barefoot, uphill, into the wind? 9) You coulda made a good living as a marathoner... 8) I suppose this was drug aided? Perhaps Lemon-aided? 7) We'll, I ran 4:09 you loser... 6) If that was run in the spring in New England, you could ask for a 11 second deduction now, making you sub-4. : : 1) Was that for 1600m? Oh, right, you're _way_ too old for that one... Ok, I'll keep the day job... Richard >Kurt, I had occasion to meet Jack Lemon about 10 years ago and having >heard >that he was a top New England h. s. miler I asked what he ran for >timeHe >paused for a second, looked away from me, turned back to me and said "Oh >about 4.10 "I smiled and said "that's terrific" thanked him for his >time >and leftLarry Rawson
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on 7/6/01 1:14 PM, The Barretts at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Yeah, right. First, he's contradicting BR, who said "everyone > ran 4:30 in high school". Second, he was baiting you. Top 10 > possible responses: > > 10) Barefoot, uphill, into the wind? > 9) You coulda made a good living as a marathoner... > 8) I suppose this was drug aided? Perhaps Lemon-aided? > 7) We'll, I ran 4:09 you loser... > 6) If that was run in the spring in New England, you could > ask for a 11 second deduction now, making you sub-4. > : > : > 1) Was that for 1600m? Oh, right, you're _way_ too old for that one... > > Ok, I'll keep the day job... > > Richard > >> Kurt, I had occasion to meet Jack Lemon about 10 years ago and having >> heard >> that he was a top New England h. s. miler I asked what he ran for >> timeHe >> paused for a second, looked away from me, turned back to me and said "Oh >> about 4.10 "I smiled and said "that's terrific" thanked him for his >> time >> and leftLarry Rawson > > > > Hey, Do you think Jack lemmon meant 5:10 for the mile ... you know that "honest mistake" runners often make when talking about their pace per mile ... what the heck, its only a minute!! Anyway, Jack's dead, so cut him a break ... and give him his 4:10 New England HS mile ... and let him be honorary president of the Liars Club, good PR for T&F! TF ps BR was right, everyone in HS did run 4:30 for the mile in the 60's and 70's
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Come on, Jack Lemmon's 4:10 mile is a perfect illustration to "The Older I get, the Faster I was" rule. However, here's the quote from his biography published in People's magazine: "Perhaps because this star learned early in life not to confuse privilege with happiness. John Uhler Lemmon III grew up in posh Brookline, Mass., the only child of a top executive with the Doughnut Corporation of America and his homemaker wife, Mildred. By the time Jack was 10, his parents' marriage was falling apart and the sickly boy had undergone three painful ear surgeries, causing him to miss nearly a year of school. To keep from "withering away," he says, Lemmon began a vigorous exercise program that included lots of running; by age 12 he was robustly healthy and by 15 he had broken the New England record for two miles. He went on to become a cross-country star at Massachusetts' elite Phillips Academy in Andover." Of course it could be that the biographical facts were taken from an interview with Lemmon himself. Maybe Phillips Academy still has the records of how fast he ran for two miles. Oleg. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom Fleming Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 5:42 PM To: The Barretts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Re: Liars Club on 7/6/01 1:14 PM, The Barretts at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Yeah, right. First, he's contradicting BR, who said "everyone > ran 4:30 in high school". Second, he was baiting you. Top 10 > possible responses: > > 10) Barefoot, uphill, into the wind? > 9) You coulda made a good living as a marathoner... > 8) I suppose this was drug aided? Perhaps Lemon-aided? > 7) We'll, I ran 4:09 you loser... > 6) If that was run in the spring in New England, you could > ask for a 11 second deduction now, making you sub-4. > : > : > 1) Was that for 1600m? Oh, right, you're _way_ too old for that one... > > Ok, I'll keep the day job... > > Richard > >> Kurt, I had occasion to meet Jack Lemon about 10 years ago and having >> heard >> that he was a top New England h. s. miler I asked what he ran for >> timeHe >> paused for a second, looked away from me, turned back to me and said "Oh >> about 4.10 "I smiled and said "that's terrific" thanked him for his >> time >> and leftLarry Rawson > > > > Hey, Do you think Jack lemmon meant 5:10 for the mile ... you know that "honest mistake" runners often make when talking about their pace per mile ... what the heck, its only a minute!! Anyway, Jack's dead, so cut him a break ... and give him his 4:10 New England HS mile ... and let him be honorary president of the Liars Club, good PR for T&F! TF ps BR was right, everyone in HS did run 4:30 for the mile in the 60's and 70's
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Phillips Academy mile record (according to their website) MileDarren Dinneen (1996) 4 min.14.87 secs.
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The latest of this series of "holier than thou" posts on this non-topic, by non-athletes included: >Come on, Jack Lemmon's 4:10 mile is a perfect illustration to "The Older I >get, the Faster I was" rule. The entire thread, after the first post that sought information, reminds me of Joseph Welch's summative question to Joe McCarty and the House Un-American Activities Committee: "At long last, sir, have you no sense of decency?" Lemmon has died, after a distinguished career in an activity that had nothing to do with track and field. Whether he was mistaken, exaggerative, or misquoted on his high school track marks, the time he claimed could have no effect, whatever, on the history of the event. Just what is it that is to be gained, and to the gratification of whose ego, to pursue this topic?
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He was an actor. He's a liar, he's dead. What is so distinguished about that? So he developed a likable persona. Probably good for bizness. Big F deal. My grandfather drove motorcycles into the front lines in WW2. Got his leg half blown off. Came back and drove a truck for forty years because he was a badass that could stay awake for 24 straight hours, driving a truck, without falling asleep and then lift 100 pound boxes off the truck. He did this for 40 years until he died 2 years after he retired. Oh yeah, he weighed 125 pounds, You know, In my athletic life I have raced World Champions, I have been in the ring with World champions, I have been on the mat and wrestled world champions. And you know what, my Grandfather could kick my ass when he was 60 and I was 20. At times, I would ask my grandfather what it as like to storm Normandy. He would shrug and say, no big deal and I don't want to talk about it, it's over. Jack Lemon fabricates track times. I should say He lied about track times. My grandfather is dead, HE SAVED THE WORLD, he would not talk about it. Now you tell me, who is distinguished? Mike Platt "if I won a gold medal I would still be the 3rd most distinguished person in my family" behind my mother and my grandfather.
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> > Lemmon has died, after a distinguished career in an activity > that had nothing to do with track and field. Whether he was > mistaken, exaggerative, or misquoted on his high school track > marks, the time he claimed could have no effect, whatever, on > the history of the event. > > Just what is it that is to be gained, and to the > gratification of whose ego, to pursue this topic? > > So then, Sir, why pursue any topic? malmo
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on 7/7/01 12:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > He was an actor. He's a liar, he's dead. > What is so distinguished about that? > So he developed a likable persona. Probably good for bizness. Big F deal. > > My grandfather drove motorcycles into the front lines in WW2. Got his leg > half blown off. > Came back and drove a truck for forty years because he was a badass that > could stay awake for 24 straight hours, driving a truck, without falling > asleep and then lift 100 pound boxes off the truck. He did this for 40 years > until he died 2 years after he retired. > Oh yeah, he weighed 125 pounds, > > You know, In my athletic life I have raced World Champions, I have been in > the ring with World champions, I have been on the mat and wrestled world > champions. And you know what, my Grandfather could kick my ass when he was > 60 and I was 20. > > At times, I would ask my grandfather what it as like to storm Normandy. He > would shrug and say, no big deal and I don't want to talk about it, it's over. > > Jack Lemon fabricates track times. I should say He lied about track times. > > My grandfather is dead, HE SAVED THE WORLD, he would not talk about it. > > Now you tell me, who is distinguished? > > Mike Platt > "if I won a gold medal I would still be the 3rd most distinguished person in > my family" > behind my mother and my grandfather. > Holy crap! ... that is distinguished! TF ps And may Jack rest in peace.
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Frank Shorter is quoted in the novel "Once a Runner" as having said that everybody ran 4:30 in high school. Does anyone know who said it first? Ed Koch -Original Message- From: The Barretts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, July 06, 2001 2:30 PM Subject: t-and-f: Re: Liars Club > >Yeah, right. First, he's contradicting BR, who said "everyone >ran 4:30 in high school". Second, he was baiting you. Top 10 >possible responses: > >10) Barefoot, uphill, into the wind? > 9) You coulda made a good living as a marathoner... > 8) I suppose this was drug aided? Perhaps Lemon-aided? > 7) We'll, I ran 4:09 you loser... > 6) If that was run in the spring in New England, you could > ask for a 11 second deduction now, making you sub-4. >: >: > 1) Was that for 1600m? Oh, right, you're _way_ too old for that one... > >Ok, I'll keep the day job... > >Richard > >>Kurt, I had occasion to meet Jack Lemon about 10 years ago and having >>heard >>that he was a top New England h. s. miler I asked what he ran for >>timeHe >>paused for a second, looked away from me, turned back to me and said "Oh >>about 4.10 "I smiled and said "that's terrific" thanked him for his >>time >>and leftLarry Rawson > > >
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on 7/7/01 8:33 PM, Edward Koch at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Frank Shorter is quoted in the novel "Once a Runner" as having said > that everybody ran 4:30 in high school. Does anyone know who said it first? > > Ed Koch > > > -Original Message- > From: The Barretts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Friday, July 06, 2001 2:30 PM > Subject: t-and-f: Re: Liars Club > > >> >> Yeah, right. First, he's contradicting BR, who said "everyone >> ran 4:30 in high school". Second, he was baiting you. Top 10 >> possible responses: >> >> 10) Barefoot, uphill, into the wind? >> 9) You coulda made a good living as a marathoner... >> 8) I suppose this was drug aided? Perhaps Lemon-aided? >> 7) We'll, I ran 4:09 you loser... >> 6) If that was run in the spring in New England, you could >> ask for a 11 second deduction now, making you sub-4. >> : >> : >> 1) Was that for 1600m? Oh, right, you're _way_ too old for that one... >> >> Ok, I'll keep the day job... >> >> Richard >> >>> Kurt, I had occasion to meet Jack Lemon about 10 years ago and having >>> heard >>> that he was a top New England h. s. miler I asked what he ran for >>> timeHe >>> paused for a second, looked away from me, turned back to me and said "Oh >>> about 4.10 "I smiled and said "that's terrific" thanked him for his >>> time >>> and leftLarry Rawson >> >> >> > > To all, I am correcting myself ... I'm 100% sure now that the "4:30 mile quote" comes directly from Marty Liquori ... and he was right, IT DID SEEM that all HS kids could run a 4:30 mile (on cinders) when they were in high school. I know we had 5 kids in the 30's in one season ... but we had NONE at 4:10! TF
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I thought it was Shorter who said it but if "everyone" ran 4:30 in HS then maybe more than one person later said that "everyone" ran 4:30 in HS. Tom Derderian - Original Message - From: Tom Fleming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Edward Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; The Barretts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 7:16 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Re: Liars Club > on 7/7/01 8:33 PM, Edward Koch at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Frank Shorter is quoted in the novel "Once a Runner" as having said > > that everybody ran 4:30 in high school. Does anyone know who said it first? > > > > Ed Koch > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: The Barretts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Friday, July 06, 2001 2:30 PM > > Subject: t-and-f: Re: Liars Club > > > > > >> > >> Yeah, right. First, he's contradicting BR, who said "everyone > >> ran 4:30 in high school". Second, he was baiting you. Top 10 > >> possible responses: > >> > >> 10) Barefoot, uphill, into the wind? > >> 9) You coulda made a good living as a marathoner... > >> 8) I suppose this was drug aided? Perhaps Lemon-aided? > >> 7) We'll, I ran 4:09 you loser... > >> 6) If that was run in the spring in New England, you could > >> ask for a 11 second deduction now, making you sub-4. > >> : > >> : > >> 1) Was that for 1600m? Oh, right, you're _way_ too old for that one... > >> > >> Ok, I'll keep the day job... > >> > >> Richard > >> > >>> Kurt, I had occasion to meet Jack Lemon about 10 years ago and having > >>> heard > >>> that he was a top New England h. s. miler I asked what he ran for > >>> timeHe > >>> paused for a second, looked away from me, turned back to me and said "Oh > >>> about 4.10 "I smiled and said "that's terrific" thanked him for his > >>> time > >>> and leftLarry Rawson > >> > >> > >> > > > > > To all, >I am correcting myself ... I'm 100% sure now that the "4:30 mile quote" > comes directly from Marty Liquori ... and he was right, IT DID SEEM that all > HS kids could run a 4:30 mile (on cinders) when they were in high school. > I know we had 5 kids in the 30's in one season ... but we had NONE at 4:10! > TF >
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on 7/8/01 7:19 PM, Tom Derderian at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I thought it was Shorter who said it but if "everyone" ran 4:30 in HS then > maybe more than one person later said that "everyone" ran 4:30 in HS. > Tom Derderian > - Original Message - > From: Tom Fleming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Edward Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; The Barretts > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 7:16 AM > Subject: Re: t-and-f: Re: Liars Club > > >>No, no, no ... lets get back to the original posting, and end this topic once and for all ... Jack Lemmon said "everyone ran 4:30 for the mile ... but I ran 4:10!" Have a great week, TF
