t-and-f: marathon qualifiers: Malmo's wrong
Malmo mentions the need for 1,000 hardass sonofabitches who don't fear failure. The great USA runners of the past (and the current runners from countries that have lots of competitive racers) ran not fearlessly but out of tremendous fear of the other guys behind them. Each guy had a set of guys who would finish behind but within sight. Those guys behind haunted the first order of guys with the unspeakable indignity of being passed in a race. The possibility that one of those untouchables would beat runners like Rodgers, Thomas, Shorter, Salazar, Meyer,Flemming,Durden, and Malley drove them to complete every interval in a workout they set out to complete because the demons just behind might do the entire workout or get in more miles that week or that month and sail by in the next race and be standing at the finish line with a shit-eat grin reaching to shake hands and say, good race. They (and any honest competitors) could not let that happen. That's what I was always trying to do to those guys (and lots of others) and other guys were trying to do to me so I didn't dare miss a workout either. That is the driving effect of a thickness of competition. So I wonder, who is Josh Cox afraid of? Don't look back...somebody might be gaining on you... Tom Derderian
Re: t-and-f: marathon qualifiers: Malmo's wrong
From: Robert Hersh Message text written by Thomas J. Derderian So I wonder, who is Josh Cox afraid of? He, and all the other Americans today, should be afraid of the Kenyans, Ethiopians, North Africans, Japanese, Mexicans, etc.They are losing marathons, and losing them badly. If they needed to find people to be afraid of, they'd find plenty of them. Ok, right, but my thesis is that athletes are most motivated to beat or keep from being beaten by proximate people...the ones they know and see regularly rather than distant, albeit, worthy seldom seen or unpredictably encountered athletes from the other side of the world. Although they should be motivated to beat the best. Tom Derderian
RE: t-and-f: marathon qualifiers: Malmo's wrong
Speaking for myself, my eyes are located on the anterior/cranial surface, not the posterior/cranial as suggested by marathon historian Derderian. Not only does this limit my vision to a forward direction anatomically speaking, it also does so metaphorically. Thousands of references to that fact available upon request. malmo Is it true cannibals don't eat clowns because they taste funny? - Steve Wright -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Thomas J. Derderian Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 3:15 PM To: Geoff Pietsch; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: marathon qualifiers: Malmo's wrong Malmo mentions the need for 1,000 hardass sonofabitches who don't fear failure. The great USA runners of the past (and the current runners from countries that have lots of competitive racers) ran not fearlessly but out of tremendous fear of the other guys behind them. Each guy had a set of guys who would finish behind but within sight. Those guys behind haunted the first order of guys with the unspeakable indignity of being passed in a race. The possibility that one of those untouchables would beat runners like Rodgers, Thomas, Shorter, Salazar, Meyer,Flemming,Durden, and Malley drove them to complete every interval in a workout they set out to complete because the demons just behind might do the entire workout or get in more miles that week or that month and sail by in the next race and be standing at the finish line with a shit-eat grin reaching to shake hands and say, good race. They (and any honest competitors) could not let that happen. That's what I was always trying to do to those guys (and lots of others) and other guys were trying to do to me so I didn't dare miss a workout either. That is the driving effect of a thickness of competition. So I wonder, who is Josh Cox afraid of? Don't look back...somebody might be gaining on you... Tom Derderian
Re: t-and-f: marathon qualifiers: Malmo's wrong
Bob, But I think many US distance runner think of foreign runners as exotic creatures of superior talent and it is no shame to be beaten by them so US runners by and large do not as passionately try to beat them in races or in training like they would try against their peers. I hear this with terms like, first non-Kenyan. How it is and how it should be are not the same things. Surely not all Americans see the foreigners as invincible but enough do so that a tipping point in the Malcom Gladwell sense is not reached leaving US runners isolated. Tom Derderian -- From: Robert Hersh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Derderian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: marathon qualifiers: Malmo's wrong Date: Thu, Nov 8, 2001, 6:41 PM These are not exotic creatures--they're the leaders of the pack. Right here in the USA.
Re: t-and-f: marathon qualifiers: Malmo's wrong
Tom a perfect example is one of the NCAA favorites going into Nationals, Matt Tegencamp. When asked what his goal was for Nationals he said, ...my goal is to be the top American finisher and mix it up with some of the Kenyan's. Basically, it seems as though he has already conceded to Kimani and or Boaz, which was surprising considering his success on the World stage at Cross Juniors. Its hard to believe that he, Ritz, and Torres aren't gunning for the win, despite what Boaz and Kimani have already run. Mike From: Thomas J. Derderian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Thomas J. Derderian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Robert Hersh [EMAIL PROTECTED], t-and-f [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: marathon qualifiers: Malmo's wrong Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 19:04:52 -0500 Bob, But I think many US distance runner think of foreign runners as exotic creatures of superior talent and it is no shame to be beaten by them so US runners by and large do not as passionately try to beat them in races or in training like they would try against their peers. I hear this with terms like, first non-Kenyan. How it is and how it should be are not the same things. Surely not all Americans see the foreigners as invincible but enough do so that a tipping point in the Malcom Gladwell sense is not reached leaving US runners isolated. Tom Derderian -- From: Robert Hersh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Derderian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: marathon qualifiers: Malmo's wrong Date: Thu, Nov 8, 2001, 6:41 PM These are not exotic creatures--they're the leaders of the pack. Right here in the USA. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
