Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)

2010-05-13 Thread John Smith
2010/5/13 Petr Morávek [Xificurk] xific...@gmail.com:
 By themselves not, but they are within the residential land and this
 tagging proposal follows the scheme like highway=service + service=whatever.
 I admit, it's not the best solution, but it is already a proposed
 scheme. I don't have a better solution... maybe it would be better to
 add a new leisure value, I'm opened to reasonable suggestions. I have
 personally no idea what the proper english word could be.

leisure=garden
garden=residential

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[Tagging] Playground tag proposal - voting

2010-05-13 Thread antony.king
Hi all,

We've been slowly mulling over the proposed playground extensions for
the last couple of months, and I hope that we've covered all the
ground that needs to be covered by now. Could those that care to vote,
cast your votes on the page? If you disapprove, please say why and
maybe we can continue the RFC stage for a little longer so as to get
it right. I'm aware that there are a few people who have had input on
this who disapprove of the whole voting concept; I'm not proposing we
open that can of worms here but I am keen to formalise this properly.

Here's the page:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Playground_Equipment

Regards,

Antony.

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Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)

2010-05-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 1:20 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:

 leisure=garden
 garden=residential

Much better. This clearly means you are tagging a particular *type* of garden.

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Re: [Tagging] Draft - new barrier values

2010-05-13 Thread Ed Hillsman

I've contributed a new barrier type (post_and_chain) to

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/New_barrier_types

I have a photo that I've taken of one of these, but I haven't been  
able to figure out how to get it into the wiki. None of the other  
barrier photos I've seen in the wiki shows one of these. This type of  
barrier is really common in the US, in parks and on college campuses.  
It usually is installed to keep people from taking a short cut across  
a grassy area and wearing a path. It isn't really closed or dense  
enough to be considered a fence, but it definitely is a barrier.


Also, I really have no idea what this kind of barrier is called,  
especially in the UK (since the default English terminology for OSM is  
British), and I'd be happy to change the entry if someone has the  
proper British name for it.


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Re: [Tagging] Draft - new barrier values

2010-05-13 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:05 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
 The whole proposal seems pretty inconsequential, it's not like you are
 trying to make a well sued highway tagging scheme redundant.

Do we agree there is a basic goal of getting everyone to tag the same
way? Perhaps the propose-comment-vote-implemented lifecycle is not
right, but just start using these values is too weak. How would you
know if anyone else was using some similar scheme but with different
tags?

Steve

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Re: [Tagging] Draft - new barrier values

2010-05-13 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/14 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
 On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:05 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 The whole proposal seems pretty inconsequential, it's not like you are
 trying to make a well sued highway tagging scheme redundant.
 Do we agree there is a basic goal of getting everyone to tag the same
 way? Perhaps the propose-comment-vote-implemented lifecycle is not
 right, but just start using these values is too weak. How would you
 know if anyone else was using some similar scheme but with different
 tags?


tagwatch? OSMdoc? Looking at the planet? Still I think that writing
down stuff in the wiki is a good way to get things unified. The
problem you are describing is not a big one, the real problem is
people describing different stuff with the same tags.

cheers,
Martin

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Re: [Tagging] Draft - new barrier values

2010-05-13 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 1:58 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
 right, but just start using these values is too weak. How would you
 know if anyone else was using some similar scheme but with different
 tags?


 tagwatch? OSMdoc?

Anyone regularly do this? I'm curious. I don't.

 Still I think that writing
 down stuff in the wiki is a good way to get things unified. The
 problem you are describing is not a big one, the real problem is
 people describing different stuff with the same tags.

Yes. But we keep treating the opposite problem as an easy one which
will resolve itself one day. Do we actually have a process for merging
tags? I'm a bit concerned that communities develop that each prefer
their own tag, and they will resist (actively or passively) any
attempt to change their tags...

Steve

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Re: [Tagging] Draft - new barrier values

2010-05-13 Thread John Smith
On 14 May 2010 13:12, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
 Do we agree there is a basic goal of getting everyone to tag the same
 way? Perhaps the propose-comment-vote-implemented lifecycle is not
 right, but just start using these values is too weak. How would you
 know if anyone else was using some similar scheme but with different
 tags?

You missed the important point I made, which was the bit about these
types of tags being incosequential in the entire scheme of things,
documenting them is more important than any vote when it won't have
any great effect on anything else.

Besides some people already advocate tagging should be based on usage
as a defacto standard, rather than a vote which only a fraction of a
tiny minority bother to have anything to do with, 15 out of 200,000+
users doesn't really say much, or even 15 out of 10,000+ active
users...

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