[Tagging] Mapping the OSM Features - inconsistencies
Hi tagging list and wiki-trolls, A quick note to let you know that my spreadsheet is finding some inconsistencies. https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Am70fsptsPF2dHJxMG05Zmg2YS1LeFg2czRZOWZEU3c&hl=en I've downloaded the latest version of JOSM, and directly comparing the presets with what the Map Features Wiki page says/recommends. The 1st one is 'amenity=emergency_phone' as listed in JOSM and 'emergency=phone' as listed on the map features page. I'm not actually fixing it, (as it all needs to be discussed) im just point it out, so its visible. What i am doing is simply highlighting in red, those inconsistencies and recommendations to the wiki-trolls, who can (hopefully) fix up some of this. A lot of it is just simple edits, but it makes a big difference as it become much more clearer to the end-users. Although the purpose of doing this spreadsheet is for CommonMap, and the external datasets, it will be helpfull to be in alignment with what the osm-features are. This is why im mapping these inconsistencies. In a spreadsheet form, it makes it easy to sort & filter which is not actually possible on the wiki-sheet. I intend to go back through the main map features page every few months, and check to see what has been updated. Cheers, Sam --- Across Canada Trails - Beyond 2017 - The National Trails Network Victoria, BC Canada Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: 'Sam Vekemans' Member, CommonMap Inc. http://commonmap.org/ IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #CommonMap Also find us on Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] branch=* tag to specify the particular branch of a chain of stores/amenities
Hi all, What do guys think of using branch=* to specify the particular branch or outlet of a chain of stores/amenities? Here in the Philippines, the branch name is quite important to note for banks because bank accounts are tied to a specific branch and you need to interact with that branch for a bank account in order to avoid inter-branch charges. We are already using this tag to mark the branch name for banks, restaurants, and other POIs: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/branch#map Outside the Philippines, it seems that this usage of branch=* is also adopted by some mappers. Some examples: 1. A Barclay's bank in England: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/253409198 2. A Waitrose supermarket in England: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/34520881 3. A Vodafone store in England: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/638868816 4. A Tesco supermarket in England: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/298706621 5. A KFC store in Australia: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/49553998 6. A Приватбанк bank in the Ukraine: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/83925848 7. A Сбербанк России bank in Russia: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/618791144 However, there's a (somewhat) conflicting usage of branch=* tag and this is used to mark the branch of a London Underground line. Example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/43189167 What do you guys think? Eugene ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - Sidewalks as separate ways - Voting
Hello everybody, On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:10:34 +0200, David Paleino wrote: > [..] > > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sidewalk_as_separate_way > > As per the wiki guidelines, the voting period is 14 days. Starting today, > ending Apr, 26. The voting period has ended, and the feature has been approved with 20 yes, 9 no and 1 abstention. I've created Tag:footway=crossing and Tag:footway=sidewalk pages, and mangled the proposal page accordingly. ASAP I'll start adding specific examples; at the moment, there's only one "generic" example valid both for crossings and sidewalks, and only in the English version. Thanks to everyone who joined the discussion! Have a nice day, David -- . ''`. Debian developer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino : :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.hanskalabs.net/ `. `'` GPG: 1392B174 | http://deb.li/dapal `- 2BAB C625 4E66 E7B8 450A C3E1 E6AA 9017 1392 B174 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] What to map a site of historical significants...
Historical event geotagging could rapidly get out of hand. This feels to me very much orthogonal to OSM - almost every news story, photo, work of art, etc arguably deserves a geotag, but hardly any of them deserve to be in OSM. A separate database is where things like this should reside, where a historic or art-themed map UI presents them, perhaps on top of a (faded) standard Mapnik rendering of OSM. In the case of this picture, I think it would make most sense to add the latlong to its Wikipedia page, then add a Wikipedia layer to your map. I haven't tried layering general Wikipedia info myself but you may find these links useful: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Coord http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geographical_coordinates#Export_multiple_coordinates http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProjekt_Georeferenzierung/Wikipedia-World/en http://maps.google.de/maps?q=http:%2F%2Ftoolserver.org%2F~kolossos%2Fgeoworld%2FWP-world-maps.php%3Flang%3Den&ie=UTF8&om=1&ll=51.499179,-0.126021&spn=0.011902,0.018582&z=16 - L On 24 Apr 2011, at 03:40, John Smith wrote: > Does any one have any thoughts on what to tag a location famous for 2 > reasons, first it was a spot where a stage coach was held up by > thunderbolt, secondly because someone did a painting of the event > after the event: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailed_Up > > There is no marker at the site or anything else to identify the site, > the only thing I can think of is something like > historic=historical_site, but that seems a bit redundant... > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] branch=* tag to specify the particular branch of a chain of stores/amenities
On 4/27/2011 1:27 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: Hi all, What do guys think of using branch=* to specify the particular branch or outlet of a chain of stores/amenities? I think the standard is brand=*. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] What to map a site of historical significants...
On 4/27/11 2:33 PM, Laurence Penney wrote: Historical event geotagging could rapidly get out of hand. This feels to me very much orthogonal to OSM - almost every news story, photo, work of art, etc arguably deserves a geotag, but hardly any of them deserve to be in OSM. A separate database is where things like this should reside, where a historic or art-themed map UI presents them, perhaps on top of a (faded) standard Mapnik rendering of OSM. we are discussing setting up a server (under the auspices of OSM US) which can serve as a laboratory for historic event tagging (among other things). it will be possible to set up different databases that can be overlaid on top of the core OSM tiles to display different historical maps. i agree that great historic detail should not go in the core OSM database, it's exactly the sort of stuff you want to do as a mashup. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] branch=* tag to specify the particular branch of a chain of stores/amenities
2011/4/27 Nathan Edgars II : > On 4/27/2011 1:27 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> What do guys think of using branch=* to specify the particular branch >> or outlet of a chain of stores/amenities? > > I think the standard is brand=*. yes, this is also used for gas stations. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] branch=* tag to specify the particular branch of a chain of stores/amenities
On 04/27/2011 06:17 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> I think the standard is brand=*. > > yes, this is also used for gas stations. That’s a different thing, I think. branch=* is presumably an identifier for a specific instance of a chain, where a ref is not appropriate. I think this is a very good idea. Public libraries are often similar, and I know there are some local grocery stores in my area having multiple branches. Often the branch is just a city name, but where there are more than on in a city… —Alex Mauer “hawke” ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] branch=* tag to specify the particular branch of a chain of stores/amenities
According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:brand "The brand=* is a larger entity that a place advertises itself as part of" Which means that you put "Burger King" or "Barclay's" or "McDonald's" into the brand tag. We put into the branch tag the branch name. Look at this webpage listing the branches of Bank of the Philippine Islands in my city: http://info.bpiexpressonline.com/bpiprod/bpibranch.nsf/Branches/BPI/Las+Pi%C3%B1as?OpenDocument The branch names are those names in bold like "Almanza", "Almanza Uno Las Piñas", and "SM Southmall Express Center". These branch names are prominently displayed in the signboard of the bank outlet. So we put "Bank of the Philippine Islands" into brand=* (or usually name=*) then "Almanza" into branch=*. On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 7:17 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2011/4/27 Nathan Edgars II : >> On 4/27/2011 1:27 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> What do guys think of using branch=* to specify the particular branch >>> or outlet of a chain of stores/amenities? >> >> I think the standard is brand=*. > > > yes, this is also used for gas stations. > > cheers, > Martin > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] branch=* tag to specify the particular branch of a chain of stores/amenities
On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 07:34 +0800, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:brand > > "The brand=* is a larger entity that a place advertises itself as part of" > > Which means that you put "Burger King" or "Barclay's" or "McDonald's" > into the brand tag. I thought in this case, we use operator=* ? >From wiki.. The operator tag is used to name a company, corporation, person or any other entity who is in charge of the operation of a certain map object. I think the branch/location could simply be added to the name tag. amenity=bank operator=Bank of the Philippines name=Bank of the Philippines Almanza Uno Las Piñas This is for example how I tag chain restaurants, with the location/branch appended to the name tag. David > We put into the branch tag the branch name. Look at this webpage > listing the branches of Bank of the Philippine Islands in my city: > http://info.bpiexpressonline.com/bpiprod/bpibranch.nsf/Branches/BPI/Las+Pi%C3%B1as?OpenDocument > > The branch names are those names in bold like "Almanza", "Almanza Uno > Las Piñas", and "SM Southmall Express Center". These branch names are > prominently displayed in the signboard of the bank outlet. So we put > "Bank of the Philippine Islands" into brand=* (or usually name=*) then > "Almanza" into branch=*. > > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 7:17 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > 2011/4/27 Nathan Edgars II : > >> On 4/27/2011 1:27 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> What do guys think of using branch=* to specify the particular branch > >>> or outlet of a chain of stores/amenities? > >> > >> I think the standard is brand=*. > > > > > > yes, this is also used for gas stations. > > > > cheers, > > Martin > > > > ___ > > Tagging mailing list > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] branch=* tag to specify the particular branch of a chain of stores/amenities
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 8:26 AM, David Murn wrote: > On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 07:34 +0800, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: >> According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:brand >> >> "The brand=* is a larger entity that a place advertises itself as part >> of" >> >> Which means that you put "Burger King" or "Barclay's" or "McDonald's" >> into the brand tag. > > I thought in this case, we use operator=* ? > > >From wiki.. The operator tag is used to name a company, corporation, > person or any other entity who is in charge of the operation of a > certain map object. > > I think the branch/location could simply be added to the name tag. > > amenity=bank > operator=Bank of the Philippines > name=Bank of the Philippines Almanza Uno Las Piñas > > This is for example how I tag chain restaurants, with the > location/branch appended to the name tag. We thought about it but putting the location/branch into the name tag makes it harder to collect all of the banks under the same "brand". Take note that due to mergers and acquisitions, multiple banks may be under the same operator. In addition, putting the branch name into the name tag makes it longer and harder to render. I prefer putting that separable piece of information into a separate tag in the first place. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] What to map a site of historical significants...
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 19:33 +0100, Laurence Penney wrote: > Historical event geotagging could rapidly get out of hand. This feels > to me very much orthogonal to OSM - almost every news story, photo, > work of art, etc arguably deserves a geotag, but hardly any of them > deserve to be in OSM. I agree in part, but this isnt just any news story or photo. Surely the fact that this piece is publicly displayed by the countries national gallery, gives it some deservedness to be in OSM. That doesnt detract from the original question, of what to map a site of historic significance. Im sure the location of the great train robbery or an the location of the site of an air disaster would be of interest to some people, especially those tourists travelling in the area. To me, OSM isnt just about street maps, its about finding out-of-the-way places and finding (or following others) ways to get there. David > On 24 Apr 2011, at 03:40, John Smith wrote: > > > Does any one have any thoughts on what to tag a location famous for 2 > > reasons, first it was a spot where a stage coach was held up by > > thunderbolt, secondly because someone did a painting of the event > > after the event: > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailed_Up > > > > There is no marker at the site or anything else to identify the site, > > the only thing I can think of is something like > > historic=historical_site, but that seems a bit redundant... > > > > ___ > > Tagging mailing list > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] What to map a site of historical significants...
On 28 April 2011 10:35, David Murn wrote: > I agree in part, but this isnt just any news story or photo. +1 > That doesnt detract from the original question, of what to map a site of > historic significance. Im sure the location of the great train robbery > or an the location of the site of an air disaster would be of interest > to some people, especially those tourists travelling in the area. To > me, OSM isnt just about street maps, its about finding out-of-the-way > places and finding (or following others) ways to get there. If people can tag trees, surely things of historical significants deserve to be allowed in OSM as well. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] What to map a site of historical significants...
On 4/27/11 8:47 PM, John Smith wrote: If people can tag trees, surely things of historical significants deserve to be allowed in OSM as well. identifiable, physical objects that exist today, sure. the phase maps i want to do for the battle of antietam (September 1862), not so much. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] branch=* tag to specify the particular branch of a chain of stores/amenities
On 4/27/2011 7:32 PM, Alex Mauer wrote: On 04/27/2011 06:17 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: I think the standard is brand=*. yes, this is also used for gas stations. That’s a different thing, I think. branch=* is presumably an identifier for a specific instance of a chain, where a ref is not appropriate. Yes, I forgot to look at the links. Is there a reason ref isn't appropriate? I've used ref for store numbers; would this be used when there's both a number and a name? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] What to map a site of historical significants...
On 28 April 2011 11:40, Richard Welty wrote: > On 4/27/11 8:47 PM, John Smith wrote: >> >> If people can tag trees, surely things of historical significants >> deserve to be allowed in OSM as well. > > identifiable, physical objects that exist today, sure. That's the catch, there is no marker signifying the location in this instance, instead a painting of the location and event were made which now hangs in the national museum. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
