Re: [Tagging] Tag definitions in the OSM wiki and Wikipedia references
2012/6/7 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: Do you have an example of such tag definition ? Don't tell me mini-roundabout ;-) I stumble from time to time upon these, the reason for this post was amenity=marketplace. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Marketplace but this was already in proposal phase linking to wikipedia: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Approved_features/Marketplace when you read the linked wikipedia-page about marketplaces you will see that there is no pictures of indoor markets and there is a distinct lemma for them, linked from see also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_house So one might get the impression that for indoor markets we should use another tag. But if you looked at the original proposal you could notice that market halls were also implied in the marketplace tag (so I clarified yesterday the description of the tag to make it less ambiguous). Another one would be (still proposed) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Charging_station cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tag definitions in the OSM wiki and Wikipedia references
2012/6/7 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com My plea is to avoid these links to external ressources and to define all necessary settings in our own wiki. I think that a deeper integration with wikipedia could be a very interesting thing. Maybe some links on our wiki aren't correct, but the possibility to go to a wikipedia article about charging stations, and than clicking see them in opentreetmap which highlights them on our map is my idea of a perfectly linked information. Germans are working on Wikidata, a new project that is making Wikipedia a bit more data oriented. I think we should look at ways to connect that data to our data. Janko ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tag definitions in the OSM wiki and Wikipedia references
2012/6/7 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: Do you have an example of such tag definition ? Don't tell me mini-roundabout ;-) Is it? I just reread the article and - despite the fact that a wikipedia link is right at the beginng - the complete definition of what we define as a mini-roundabout in OSM is there. What is missing? Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tag definitions in the OSM wiki and Wikipedia references
2012/6/8 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: 2012/6/7 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com My plea is to avoid these links to external ressources and to define all necessary settings in our own wiki. I think that a deeper integration with wikipedia could be a very interesting thing. Maybe some links on our wiki aren't correct, but the possibility to go to a wikipedia article about charging stations, and than clicking see them in opentreetmap which highlights them on our map is my idea of a perfectly linked information. I think Martin Koppenhoefer was mostly referring to tag definitions that consist solely of a link to wikipedia. This of course doesn't make much sense as no-one should be forced to read wikipedia simply to tag some feature. Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tag definitions in the OSM wiki and Wikipedia references
2012/6/8 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com: 2012/6/8 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: 2012/6/7 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com My plea is to avoid these links to external ressources and to define all necessary settings in our own wiki. I think that a deeper integration with wikipedia could be a very interesting thing. Maybe some links on our wiki aren't correct, but the possibility to go to a wikipedia article about charging stations, and than clicking see them in opentreetmap which highlights them on our map is my idea of a perfectly linked information. I think Martin Koppenhoefer was mostly referring to tag definitions that consist solely of a link to wikipedia. This of course doesn't make much sense as no-one should be forced to read wikipedia simply to tag some feature. Yes, I also believe neat integration of OSM into Wikipedia is great. Recently you can click (at least in the German WP for now, not sure if this feature is deployed in other languages as well), for many features on the map link and instead of getting only a point coordinate you will also get area or way overlays, highlighting the feature in the browser (think e.g. of a river or an administrative entity). What I was writing about is the _tag definitions_ in the OSM wiki, not wikipedia integration in general. These should (IMHO) not contain links to external sources in the definition/description section (the part that describes for what the tag is used). It is not about only or mixed in the text, but in general. Copy the relevant parts into the OSM wiki (and add wikipedia as the source). cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tag definitions in the OSM wiki and Wikipedia references
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 5:14 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote: 2012/6/7 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: Do you have an example of such tag definition ? Don't tell me mini-roundabout ;-) Is it? I just reread the article and - despite the fact that a wikipedia link is right at the beginng - the complete definition of what we define as a mini-roundabout in OSM is there. What is missing? Seems appropriate. The Wikipedia link, then, is just a reference. Certainly links to Wikipedia shouldn't be removed in cases where a Wikipedia article was used as a reference. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tag definitions in the OSM wiki and Wikipedia references
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote: I think Martin Koppenhoefer was mostly referring to tag definitions that consist solely of a link to wikipedia. This of course doesn't make much sense as no-one should be forced to read wikipedia simply to tag some feature. Since when is anyone forced to read the OSM wiki simply to tag some feature? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tag definitions in the OSM wiki and Wikipedia references
Since when is anyone forced to read the OSM wiki simply to tag some feature? You are really picky today ;-) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tag definitions in the OSM wiki and Wikipedia references
2012/6/8 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Since when is anyone forced to read the OSM wiki simply to tag some feature? nobody is forced, but of course everybody is invited... cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tag definitions in the OSM wiki and Wikipedia references
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/6/8 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Since when is anyone forced to read the OSM wiki simply to tag some feature? nobody is forced, but of course everybody is invited... I was responding to this. On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote: I think Martin Koppenhoefer was mostly referring to tag definitions that consist solely of a link to wikipedia. This of course doesn't make much sense as no-one should be forced to read wikipedia simply to tag some feature. The presence of links to Wikipedia doesn't force people to read Wikipedia. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] dispute about how to tag a type=multipolygon relation
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: My opinion here is that multipolygon relations should not be used unnecessarily. So if a closed way is possible (no holes, small area), then it should be used instead of a multipolygon. What if different parts of the way have different tags? Does that render a closed way not possible? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
