[Tagging] on-call bicycle ferry service
I have tentatively tagged an on-call bicycle ferry service near Venice; Italy.(http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/194751713) It provides a service on several long-distance bicycle routes (relations). This is the Italian-only web page of the service: http://www.giteinlaguna.com/servizio-a-chiamata. Comments and criticism welcome. Volker (Padova, Italy) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Status of maxspeed:wet
On 2012-12-03 20:27, Ole Nielsen wrote : BTW, I'm not sure how useful the wet tag (old style or new style) is. You will need some damn precise and detailed weather forecasts for a route planner to be able to use such information. And usually it is only fairly short sections of highway having such tags so the impact is minimal (and in my experience drivers pretty much ignore such signs anyway). answer from the wiki: The *maxspeed*=* http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed tag http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag is used to define the maximum legal speed limit http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Speed_limits for general traffic on a particular road, railway or waterway. Maxspeed is not a speed to time routes but a legal information. By not mentioning a lower speed than normal, the information is incomplete and liable to be called dangerous in some places where wet speed is justified. Even more so for :snow and/or :ice maxspeed. Speed to predict journey duration can be based on data recorded by some GPS manufacturers on some GPS devices of their customers. It can be very complicated, using location and time. The simplest tag would be speed:average. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] on-call bicycle ferry service
Am 06.12.2012 12:48, schrieb Volker Schmidt: I have tentatively tagged an on-call bicycle ferry service near Venice; Italy.(http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/194751713) It provides a service on several long-distance bicycle routes (relations). This is the Italian-only web page of the service: http://www.giteinlaguna.com/servizio-a-chiamata. I think this isn't the name of the ferry-route, isn't it? So please don't use name-tag. The information you can put into discription-tag. The format of your phone-number isn't correct. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:phone I would add opening_hours, if the opening hours on website belong to ferry and not to an office. Henning ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] on-call bicycle ferry service
2012/12/6 Henning Scholland o...@aighes.de: Am 06.12.2012 12:48, schrieb Volker Schmidt: I think this isn't the name of the ferry-route, isn't it? So please don't use name-tag. The information you can put into discription-tag. +1, it doesn't seem to be a name, and yes, it could be stored into the description tag, but IMHO it would be better to make it an attribute, so that it can be evaluated automatically. The format of your phone-number isn't correct. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:phone not sure if this is really an issue. You are right that it doesn't adhere 100% to international standards, but it shouldn't make any practical difference if there are characters like / . - – or spaces or similar between the numbers. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] New relation type=provides_feature
Few days ago there was a discussion on this list with the subject Door to door routing to buildings with multiple occupants. My thoughts after the discussion was that with increasing micro-mapping we need a relation to tie different objects together. So I thought I would make a proposal for such a relation. Tags: type=provides_feature Members roles: target address entrance There has to be exactly one member with the role target, that would be the POI. There could be multiple members with the other roles. Currently I listed address and entrance as possible member roles, but the list could be open-ended. Comments? /Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] on-call bicycle ferry service
Hi, route=ferry doesn't mean regular service with timetable. Small ferries crossing rivers are operating on demand. Also I think that no more explanation is necessary. If you arrive at ferry-terminal, and there is no ferryboat, you have to call the number. Am 06.12.2012 15:21, schrieb Volker Schmidt: BTW what is the tag for a water bus (vaporetto) - in Venice there is a distinction between three classes of services: 'vaporetto' only carries passengers (with few exceptions - see above), 'motonave' carries passengers and bicycles, 'ferryboat' carries motorvehicles and ll the rest). I suppose 'vaporetto' should be route=ferry plus vehicles=no (which at present is missing on the Venice vaporetto routes) I would use for 'vaporetto' access=no foot=yes, for 'motonave' access=no foot=yes bicycle=yes. 'ferryboats' typical have some maxwight, maxheight or something like this. The problem with vehicle=no is, that there are several other things, which are no vehicles then passengers. Eg. a horse. Henning ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] New relation type=provides_feature
On 06.12.2012 16:39, Markus Lindholm wrote: Few days ago there was a discussion on this list with the subject Door to door routing to buildings with multiple occupants. My thoughts after the discussion was that with increasing micro-mapping we need a relation to tie different objects together. So I thought I would make a proposal for such a relation. Tags: type=provides_feature Members roles: target address entrance There has to be exactly one member with the role target, that would be the POI. There could be multiple members with the other roles. Currently I listed address and entrance as possible member roles, but the list could be open-ended. See my previous messages for my opinions on addresses. We don't need those relations if we set each address on the the containing building/parcel/floor. A relation could be used to define which entrances connect to which POIs (shops etc.) in the building. But this is not in spirit of current indoor mapping developments. You'd rather use highway=corridor etc. to connect objects. - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Indoor_mapping. -- Friedrich K. Volkmann http://www.volki.at/ Adr.: Davidgasse 76-80/14/10, 1100 Wien, Austria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] New relation type=provides_feature
2012/12/6 Markus Lindholm markus.lindh...@gmail.com: Tags: type=provides_feature Members roles: target address entrance Comments? do you know the site relation? It might provide what you are after. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] on-call bicycle ferry service
I would use for 'vaporetto' access=no foot=yes, for 'motonave' access=no foot=yes bicycle=yes. 'ferryboats' typical have some maxwight, maxheight or something like this. The problem with vehicle=no is, that there are several other things, which are no vehicles then passengers. Eg. a horse. maybe they would be better mapped as kind of buses than as ferries? At least the feeling when using them is very much that of a bus. If you don't like to map them as bus, what about water_bus? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] on-call bicycle ferry service
I had looked into this possibility, but it would be a novelty: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=water_bus shows not a single use. And: The routes of the biggest Waterbus network of the Netherlands in Dordrecht is tagged as follows: Example: way http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/159752173 bicycle http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bicycle?uselang=en-GB = yes foot http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:foot?uselang=en-GB = yes hgv = no motorcarhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:motorcar?uselang=en-GB= no motorcycle http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:motorcycle?uselang=en-GB= no name http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name?uselang=en-GB = Waterbus Drechtsteden operatorhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:operator?uselang=en-GB= Waterbus B.V. route http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:route?uselang=en-GB = ferryhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:route=ferry?uselang=en-GB :-) Volker On 6 December 2012 23:21, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: I would use for 'vaporetto' access=no foot=yes, for 'motonave' access=no foot=yes bicycle=yes. 'ferryboats' typical have some maxwight, maxheight or something like this. The problem with vehicle=no is, that there are several other things, which are no vehicles then passengers. Eg. a horse. maybe they would be better mapped as kind of buses than as ferries? At least the feeling when using them is very much that of a bus. If you don't like to map them as bus, what about water_bus? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] on-call bicycle ferry service
Am 06.12.2012 23:21, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: I would use for 'vaporetto' access=no foot=yes, for 'motonave' access=no foot=yes bicycle=yes. 'ferryboats' typical have some maxwight, maxheight or something like this. The problem with vehicle=no is, that there are several other things, which are no vehicles then passengers. Eg. a horse. maybe they would be better mapped as kind of buses than as ferries? At least the feeling when using them is very much that of a bus. If you don't like to map them as bus, what about water_bus? Hmm...I think a transport-vehicle operating on water is a route=ferry. If the feeling is different and it's important to tag this, I would prefer a sub-tag like ferry=water_bus. Henning ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] New relation type=provides_feature
This may be a radical suggestion for OSM but I think POIs should be removed from the map database and put in an external database. Each POI should have an address and the address is used to match the POI to the map. This can also be extended to ref tags, which are a generalized address, to add additional data to the map, such as informtion like ferry schedules. This may sound radical, but this is the way it is done almost everywhere else. Dave On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Markus Lindholm markus.lindh...@gmail.com wrote: Few days ago there was a discussion on this list with the subject Door to door routing to buildings with multiple occupants. My thoughts after the discussion was that with increasing micro-mapping we need a relation to tie different objects together. So I thought I would make a proposal for such a relation. Tags: type=provides_feature Members roles: target address entrance There has to be exactly one member with the role target, that would be the POI. There could be multiple members with the other roles. Currently I listed address and entrance as possible member roles, but the list could be open-ended. Comments? /Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] on-call bicycle ferry service
It sounds more like a water taxi. I'm not sure if that's a widely used term in Europe, but they exist on some rivers here - you call up, it comes and gets you. Not normally for bikes, but that still. Steve On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: I would use for 'vaporetto' access=no foot=yes, for 'motonave' access=no foot=yes bicycle=yes. 'ferryboats' typical have some maxwight, maxheight or something like this. The problem with vehicle=no is, that there are several other things, which are no vehicles then passengers. Eg. a horse. maybe they would be better mapped as kind of buses than as ferries? At least the feeling when using them is very much that of a bus. If you don't like to map them as bus, what about water_bus? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] New relation type=provides_feature
On 6 December 2012 23:10, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/12/6 Markus Lindholm markus.lindh...@gmail.com: Tags: type=provides_feature Members roles: target address entrance Comments? do you know the site relation? It might provide what you are after. Yes, I looked at the site relation, but it has completely different kind of semantics. Created first example of provides_feature http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2623059 /Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
