Re: [Tagging] No abbreviations in names edge case
2014-06-20 0:56 GMT+02:00 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com: Of course I could bring up the fact that FDR Drive in NYC is spelled FDR Drive and F.D.R. Drive, and F D R Drive, depending on which sign you look at. :) yes, actually it is more common than one would expect, to have different spellings on different road signs (if you count abbreviations as different spelling). You could use multivalues on the highway and the single spellings on the sign objects. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] man_made=pipeline - is onewayness implied?
According to iD editor man_made=pipeline implies oneway=yes in the direction of way[1]. It is imho a bad idea, because - it is not mentioned on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpipeline - direction of pipeline may be hard (I mapped some and in every case direction was unknown) - many pipelines are bidirectional I plan to - file bug for removing pipeline from list of oneway tags in iD - mention on wiki page for man_made=pipeline that oneway=yes or oneway=-1 may be applied for pipelines moving material in one direction. [1] https://github.com/bhousel/iD/blob/master/js/id/core/oneway_tags.js ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] man_made=pipeline - is onewayness implied?
+1 Additionally, have a look to Rfuegen's proposal to improve pipelines maping. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/PipelineExtension *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com 2014-06-20 12:49 GMT+02:00 bulwersator bulwersa...@zoho.com: According to iD editor man_made=pipeline implies oneway=yes in the direction of way[1]. It is imho a bad idea, because - it is not mentioned on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpipeline - direction of pipeline may be hard (I mapped some and in every case direction was unknown) - many pipelines are bidirectional I plan to - file bug for removing pipeline from list of oneway tags in iD - mention on wiki page for man_made=pipeline that oneway=yes or oneway=-1 may be applied for pipelines moving material in one direction. [1] https://github.com/bhousel/iD/blob/master/js/id/core/oneway_tags.js ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] man_made=pipeline - is onewayness implied?
Hi, I’m the one who introduced this change. I’m happy to roll it back if needed. I think I added pipeline to the list of tags that imply onewayness because of discussion here: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Underground-Pipelines-td5376988.html Users can still explicitly tag pipelines as oneway=no if it is known that it is used in both directions. Being in oneway_tags just means that onewayness is implied and that the feature is rendered with oneway markers. Thanks, Bryan On Jun 20, 2014, at 6:49 AM, bulwersator bulwersa...@zoho.com wrote: According to iD editor man_made=pipeline implies oneway=yes in the direction of way[1]. It is imho a bad idea, because - it is not mentioned on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpipeline - direction of pipeline may be hard (I mapped some and in every case direction was unknown) - many pipelines are bidirectional I plan to - file bug for removing pipeline from list of oneway tags in iD - mention on wiki page for man_made=pipeline that oneway=yes or oneway=-1 may be applied for pipelines moving material in one direction. [1] https://github.com/bhousel/iD/blob/master/js/id/core/oneway_tags.js ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] man_made=pipeline - is onewayness implied?
Also, It does say here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/PipelineExtension#Pipelines direction: the medium inside a pipeline usually flows in one direction only. make sure the direction of the man_made=pipeline way matches the direction of the flow of the medium. So my reading of that was that pipelines imply oneway=yes. On Jun 20, 2014, at 8:32 AM, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com wrote: Hi, I’m the one who introduced this change. I’m happy to roll it back if needed. I think I added pipeline to the list of tags that imply onewayness because of discussion here: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Underground-Pipelines-td5376988.html Users can still explicitly tag pipelines as oneway=no if it is known that it is used in both directions. Being in oneway_tags just means that onewayness is implied and that the feature is rendered with oneway markers. Thanks, Bryan On Jun 20, 2014, at 6:49 AM, bulwersator bulwersa...@zoho.com wrote: According to iD editor man_made=pipeline implies oneway=yes in the direction of way[1]. It is imho a bad idea, because - it is not mentioned on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpipeline - direction of pipeline may be hard (I mapped some and in every case direction was unknown) - many pipelines are bidirectional I plan to - file bug for removing pipeline from list of oneway tags in iD - mention on wiki page for man_made=pipeline that oneway=yes or oneway=-1 may be applied for pipelines moving material in one direction. [1] https://github.com/bhousel/iD/blob/master/js/id/core/oneway_tags.js ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] man_made=pipeline - is onewayness implied?
How I should tag pipelines with unknown direction? On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 05:32:13 -0700 lt;bgt;Bryan Housel lt;br...@7thposition.comgt;lt;/bgt; wrote Hi, I’m the one who introduced this change. I’m happy to roll it back if needed. I think I added pipeline to the list of tags that imply onewayness because of discussion here: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Underground-Pipelines-td5376988.html Users can still explicitly tag pipelines as oneway=no if it is known that it is used in both directions. Being in oneway_tags just means that onewayness is implied and that the feature is rendered with oneway markers. Thanks, Bryan On Jun 20, 2014, at 6:49 AM, bulwersator lt;bulwersa...@zoho.comgt; wrote: According to iD editor man_made=pipeline implies oneway=yes in the direction of way[1]. It is imho a bad idea, because - it is not mentioned on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpipeline - direction of pipeline may be hard (I mapped some and in every case direction was unknown) - many pipelines are bidirectional I plan to - file bug for removing pipeline from list of oneway tags in iD - mention on wiki page for man_made=pipeline that oneway=yes or oneway=-1 may be applied for pipelines moving material in one direction. [1] https://github.com/bhousel/iD/blob/master/js/id/core/oneway_tags.js ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] No abbreviations in names edge case
Am 20.06.2014 11:09, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: 2014-06-20 0:56 GMT+02:00 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com mailto:emac...@gmail.com: Of course I could bring up the fact that FDR Drive in NYC is spelled FDR Drive and F.D.R. Drive, and F D R Drive, depending on which sign you look at. :) yes, actually it is more common than one would expect, to have different spellings on different road signs (if you count abbreviations as different spelling). You could use multivalues on the highway and the single spellings on the sign objects. Do not think multi-values in names are practical in any way. You are always better of in adding different spellings/abbreviations as extra keys. For the explicit tagging of street signs you can always tag them as node and perhaps include it in the street/associatedStreet relation. Still in favor of no abbreviations in names. cu fly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] man_made=pipeline - is onewayness implied?
Flowing direction does not really work with waterway especially waterway=canal and it will not work with pipelines. Better use an own tag like flow_direction=forward/backward/both/none or similar. This way we will cover all three cases mentioned below. cu fly Am 20.06.2014 15:04, schrieb Bryan Housel: Also, It does say here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/PipelineExtension#Pipelines direction: the medium inside a pipeline usually flows in one direction only. make sure the direction of the man_made=pipeline way matches the direction of the flow of the medium. So my reading of that was that pipelines imply oneway=yes. On Jun 20, 2014, at 8:32 AM, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com wrote: Hi, I’m the one who introduced this change. I’m happy to roll it back if needed. I think I added pipeline to the list of tags that imply onewayness because of discussion here: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Underground-Pipelines-td5376988.html Users can still explicitly tag pipelines as oneway=no if it is known that it is used in both directions. Being in oneway_tags just means that onewayness is implied and that the feature is rendered with oneway markers. Thanks, Bryan On Jun 20, 2014, at 6:49 AM, bulwersator bulwersa...@zoho.com wrote: According to iD editor man_made=pipeline implies oneway=yes in the direction of way[1]. It is imho a bad idea, because - it is not mentioned on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpipeline - direction of pipeline may be hard (I mapped some and in every case direction was unknown) - many pipelines are bidirectional I plan to - file bug for removing pipeline from list of oneway tags in iD - mention on wiki page for man_made=pipeline that oneway=yes or oneway=-1 may be applied for pipelines moving material in one direction. [1] https://github.com/bhousel/iD/blob/master/js/id/core/oneway_tags.js ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] roles for route=hiking/foot
Hey As there was a small thread about themed and educational walking trails on the German mailing list I had a closer look at the wiki. I was wondering if it is ok to add a new roles for route=hiking to add the art_work or information boards and use route=hiking with an additional tag or better use a new type for these routes with own roles. Well, I had a look at the route relation wiki page [1] and did only find route_marker mentioned as possible role except of roles for public_transportation. According to taginfo [2] guidepost is missing and route_marker should not be mentioned as it has only small numbers_in_use and I did not find any proposal. I did contact the user who introduced it in the wiki, asking about removing route_marker and putting it into a proposal and discussion the issue at this mailing list but we did not find a consense so far probably also caused due to language and technical problems. So, I ask you about statements/opinions. Cheers fly [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route [2] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/relations/route#roles ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] man_made=pipeline - is onewayness implied?
There's no onewayness for natural gas pipelines. They may have a prevailing direction, but the direction of flow is not determined by the pipe. It's determined by the pressure differential (gas will flow from high to low pressure) and this can be changed via use of compressor stations. A natural gas pipeline should not be tagged as oneway. Rob ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] man_made=pipeline - is onewayness implied?
I don't believe it's implied, since this situation is the same for pretty much all but the farthest outreach branches of municipal natgas and water pipes and electrical powerlines (though potential being the key there). Heck, even light rail systems are this way to some extent in many cities; I must have knocked the oneway tags of the MAX lines in Portland half a dozen times after I added those tracks before I gave up on that (TriMet's rulebooks and, heck, even on the ground singage and signals!) clearly indicate (almost) all tracks go in both directions (the ones that don't are fairly obvious crossovers near yards, or wash rack tracks in yards themselves, and I'm honestly unsure on the locations of these save for the wash racks, and even then, I only have a sneaking suspicion which way trains move through them; and the 5th and 6th Avenue tracks, are probably one-way (given the trains run in traffic lanes there), but even then, I'm not actually sure trains aren't allowed to go against traffic there; I know the Yamhill and Morrison tracks definitely do allow travel in both directions, as I've been on trains on both streets that have gone against the normal operating direction). On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: There's no onewayness for natural gas pipelines. They may have a prevailing direction, but the direction of flow is not determined by the pipe. It's determined by the pressure differential (gas will flow from high to low pressure) and this can be changed via use of compressor stations. A natural gas pipeline should not be tagged as oneway. Rob ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] man_made=pipeline - is onewayness implied?
Dear Bryan, Better use an own tag like flow_direction=forward/backward/both/none or similar. This way we will cover all three cases mentioned below. +1 Making oneway=yes as a default and make it automatically into the direction of flow is not a good solution: * someone might not know the direction of flow, so just chooses a arbitrary direction of the way, which might be opposite to the direction of flow. If you have a default like this, you never now if the flow direction known or not. * as already mentioned, more and more gas pipeline are equipped to work reverse-flow. So at least for gas, flow_direction=both will be more and more common. nounours ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
