Re: [Tagging] man_made=pipeline - is onewayness implied?

2014-06-22 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 5:22 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Better use an own tag like flow_direction=forward/backward/both/none or
 similar. This way we will cover all three cases mentioned below.

Where is the difference between flow_direction=forward/backward and
oneway=yes ? or flow_direction=both and oneway=no ? About
flow_direction=none, then you water stream/canal/pipe is not a water
stream/pipe/canal (change the primary tag).

Pieren

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Re: [Tagging] man_made=pipeline - is onewayness implied?

2014-06-22 Thread bulwersator
Canal is just man-made channel for water and existence of ones without flow is 
possible.
I encountered some (between lakes).

 On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 02:08:01 -0700 lt;bgt;Pieren 
lt;pier...@gmail.comgt;lt;/bgt; wrote  


On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 5:22 PM, fly lt;lowfligh...@googlemail.comgt; wrote: 
 
gt; Better use an own tag like flow_direction=forward/backward/both/none or 
gt; similar. This way we will cover all three cases mentioned below. 
 
Where is the difference between flow_direction=forward/backward and 
oneway=yes ? or flow_direction=both and oneway=no ? About 
flow_direction=none, then you water stream/canal/pipe is not a water 
stream/pipe/canal (change the primary tag). 
 
Pieren 
 
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Re: [Tagging] man_made=pipeline - is onewayness implied?

2014-06-22 Thread Craig Wallace

On 2014-06-22 10:08, Pieren wrote:

On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 5:22 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote:


Better use an own tag like flow_direction=forward/backward/both/none or
similar. This way we will cover all three cases mentioned below.


Where is the difference between flow_direction=forward/backward and
oneway=yes ? or flow_direction=both and oneway=no ? About
flow_direction=none, then you water stream/canal/pipe is not a water
stream/pipe/canal (change the primary tag).


The oneway=yes tag is an access restriction, ie which direction you are 
legally allowed to travel along that way. Whereas the flow is what 
direction the water is physically moving. So it makes sense to use 
separate tags for these.


A river may be flowing downstream, but it is usually legal to travel by 
boat in the opposite direction. Or a canal has no flow, but boats can 
travel in either direction.


Craig

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Re: [Tagging] man_made=pipeline - is onewayness implied?

2014-06-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer


 Am 22/giu/2014 um 12:26 schrieb Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm:
 
 A river may be flowing downstream, but it is usually legal to travel by boat 
 in the opposite direction. Or a canal has no flow, but boats can travel in 
 either direction.


+1, there are also rivers with oneway restrictions for boats, so on waterways 
this has to be distinct tags

cheers,
Martin
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Re: [Tagging] man_made=pipeline - is onewayness implied?

2014-06-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer


 Am 22/giu/2014 um 11:35 schrieb bulwersator bulwersa...@zoho.com:
 
 Canal is just man-made channel for water and existence of ones without flow 
 is possible.
 I encountered some (between lakes).


when there is no flow it is a lake itself ;-)

cheers,
Martin
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Re: [Tagging] man_made=pipeline - is onewayness implied?

2014-06-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer


 Am 22/giu/2014 um 11:08 schrieb Pieren pier...@gmail.com:
 
 About
 flow_direction=none, then you water stream/canal/pipe is not a water
 stream/pipe/canal (change the primary tag).


+1 for stream and canal with non-flowing water, a pipe will remain a pipe also 
when empty I'd say, which would be true for canals and streams as well (but 
they'd have a flow direction also in case there is not flowing anything 
currently, I.e. they are dry).

cheers,
Martin
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Re: [Tagging] man_made=pipeline - is onewayness implied?

2014-06-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer


 Am 21/giu/2014 um 00:52 schrieb Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com:
 
 There's no onewayness for natural gas pipelines. They may have a prevailing 
 direction, but the direction of flow is not determined by the pipe.


usually it is determined by where the gas is and where it is bought/consumed


cheers,
Martin 
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[Tagging] Spelling: vending=news_papers

2014-06-22 Thread Andreas Goss
I was fixing some stuff with http://keepright.at/ when I found an error 
showing a wrong spelling vending=newspapers and the right tag was 
vending=news_papers. Which confused me, because I was pretty sure that's 
the spelling I learned in English class and google also confirmed that.
Checking with taginfo and the German wiki that's actually what it states 
and what is used, the spelling was only corrected in the English Wiki. 
(Most of the nodes are in Germany)


So what now? News papers just seems completely wrong. I guess a mass 
edit is not really possible in OSM.


Also how does keepright do this? Is there a preset list or algorithm 
checking for similar tags with low usage?

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[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (safety_measures_on_hiking_trails)

2014-06-22 Thread Rene Maroufi
Hi,

i opened the voting for my proposal safety_mesures on hiking trails
today.
taginfo shows 133 usages for safety_rope, 14 usages for rungs and 549
usages for ladder. There are 2 Maps rendering these features: My own
Garmin map:
http://gps.maroufi.net/mapdownload.shtml
and a oruxmaps Style on openandromaps.org (Elevate theme).

Voting:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Safety_measures_on_hiking_trails

Cheers
René (alias unixasket)
-- 
René Maroufi
i...@maroufi.net

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Re: [Tagging] man_made=pipeline - is onewayness implied?

2014-06-22 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Jun 20, 2014 2:20 PM, bulwersator bulwersa...@zoho.com wrote:

 How I should tag pipelines with unknown direction?

FIXME ;-)
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