Re: [Tagging] Breakdown bays?

[John Willis]

> On Feb 28, 2015, at 5:22 PM, Jo  wrote:
> 
> Like those, but to me it doesn't feel right to draw a separate service way 
> for them. There is no division like between dual carriageways. It's merely 
> the road that becomes a bit wider, so the buses can get out of the way of the 
> other traffic.

That is a turnout. 

Maybe people are talking about something more... Separate(?) from the roadway? 
Some of the old tollways here in Japan used to have bus stops along them, so 
they had a small little area with an access road for the bus, separated by a 
median or hedge, that led to a bus stop accessible by pedestrians. The service 
raid reconnected to the tollway a few hundred meters up, allowing the bus not 
to have to exit the motorway to drop off and pickup people. 

Those have now closed, and they are merely used for emergency parking and have 
a call box. 

I understand that some (well, a lot) of turnouts have call boxes on popular, 
yet narrow roads, but the turnout is primarily used for passing. 
It sounds like these breakdown bays have larger areas or purpose built roads, 
kind of like a chain changing station. 

Or is everyone describing a turnout with a call box(emergency phone)?

Javbw
> 
> Drawing the platform as a separate way, or the cycleway that becomes detached 
> is not a problem, but indirect.
> 
> Jo
> 
> 2015-02-27 19:23 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale :
>> Bus bays like this?
>> 
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/287489422
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>>> On 2015-02-27 18:38, Jo wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can't help but keep hoping that a way to tag bus bays emerges as a side 
>>> product of this discussion. At the moment I'm resorting to drawing the 
>>> platform way, the cycleway or the landuse around them, but there are cases 
>>> where the cycleway goes straight through them, as well and that's not 
>>> really mapping the feature itself, of course. 
>>> 
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/288901664
>>> 
>>> For somebody who'd, for example, want to make statistics on the number of 
>>> such bays, that's totally useless. I know.
>>> 
>>> Jo
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 2015-02-27 18:00 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :
 
 2015-02-27 17:33 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt :
> These bays are, in a sense, very restricted amenity=parking,
 
 
 I agree on landuse=highway (because they are clearly part of the highway), 
 although that doesn't seem to be a very helpful way of tagging, I'd also 
 include them in area:highway but they are in no way amenity=parking in my 
 understanding. "parking" is different from "break-down" even if it might 
 look similar (car is not moving).
 
 cheers,
 Martin
 
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Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk-be] My goodness!

[André Pirard]

  
  
On 2015-02-28 04:33, Glenn Plas wrote :


  It's been there for years, didn't you know it ? *

It's presented
  here as a new feature on 2015-02-16.
I made an appointment with my doctor for seeing a single Search
button instead of two for years!

  On 28-02-15 04:01, André Pirard wrote:

  
Goodjour Bonday,

Anyone noticed this
?
New icon next to Search GO 

Or was I absent minded?
Amazed,

André.





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Re: [Tagging] tagging very wide steps - highway=steps on an area?

[Tobias Knerr]

On 28.02.2015 05:44, Warin wrote:
> Within OSM .. I've checked
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:incline - that sets a 'standard'
> for the incline direction.
> 
> I'm tempted to simply add the information to the wiki for steps. The
> past discussion on this topic  is from years ago. I'll think about it.

I agree that we should emphasize the incline option in the "How to map"
section, and remove the alternative suggestion of using the direction
key. After all, the incline=up/down solution has long since been
approved (6 years ago!) and is now 20 times as common as the direction key.

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Re: [Tagging] Breakdown bays?

[Tobias Knerr]

On 27.02.2015 18:38, Jo wrote:
> I can't help but keep hoping that a way to tag bus bays emerges as a
> side product of this discussion. At the moment I'm resorting to drawing
> the platform way, the cycleway or the landuse around them, but there are
> cases where the cycleway goes straight through them, as well and that's
> not really mapping the feature itself, of course.

Is there a problem with mapping bus bays as a short section of bus-only
lane (with the :lanes syntax)? That's how I would do it.
Iirc the possibility of doing this was even used as an argument for
:lanes and against the turn lanes relations in the past.

Tobias

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Re: [Tagging] Breakdown bays?

[Jo]

Like those, but to me it doesn't feel right to draw a separate service way
for them. There is no division like between dual carriageways. It's merely
the road that becomes a bit wider, so the buses can get out of the way of
the other traffic.

Drawing the platform as a separate way, or the cycleway that becomes
detached is not a problem, but indirect.

Jo

2015-02-27 19:23 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale :

>  Bus bays like this?
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/287489422
>
>
>
>
> On 2015-02-27 18:38, Jo wrote:
>
>  I can't help but keep hoping that a way to tag bus bays emerges as a
> side product of this discussion. At the moment I'm resorting to drawing the
> platform way, the cycleway or the landuse around them, but there are cases
> where the cycleway goes straight through them, as well and that's not
> really mapping the feature itself, of course.
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/288901664
>
> For somebody who'd, for example, want to make statistics on the number of
> such bays, that's totally useless. I know.
>
> Jo
>
>
> 2015-02-27 18:00 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :
>
>>
>> 2015-02-27 17:33 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt :
>>
>>> These bays are, in a sense, very restricted amenity=parking,
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree on landuse=highway (because they are clearly part of the
>> highway), although that doesn't seem to be a very helpful way of tagging,
>> I'd also include them in area:highway but they are in no way
>> amenity=parking in my understanding. "parking" is different from
>> "break-down" even if it might look similar (car is not moving).
>>
>> cheers,
>> Martin
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Re: [Tagging] Breakdown bays?

[Warin]

The bus bays and breakdown bays are short sections that exit from the 
nearest highway and return back to it, not too complex to tag as 
highway=service and service=bus_bay or breakdown_bay?


 Some breakdown bays have emergency telephones too.

I've not bothered with platform way here .. too many other things to do.

 On 28/02/2015 6:43 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
Tagging lanes/bays as separate ways seems wrong. It ends in complex 
junctions where

every lane has its own highway=*.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.04570&mlon=19.92147#map=19/50.04570/19.92147
https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/899988/6425360/dfbdf646-bf25-11e4-9aca-20b25eab450f.png

2015-02-27 19:23 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale >:


Bus bays like this?

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/287489422

On 2015-02-27 18:38, Jo wrote:


I can't help but keep hoping that a way to tag bus bays emerges
as a side product of this discussion. At the moment I'm resorting
to drawing the platform way, the cycleway or the landuse around
them, but there are cases where the cycleway goes straight
through them, as well and that's not really mapping the feature
itself, of course.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/288901664

For somebody who'd, for example, want to make statistics on the
number of such bays, that's totally useless. I know.

Jo

2015-02-27 18:00 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer
mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>>:


2015-02-27 17:33 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt
mailto:bry...@obviously.com>>:

These bays are, in a sense, very restricted amenity=parking,



I agree on landuse=highway (because they are clearly part of
the highway), although that doesn't seem to be a very helpful
way of tagging, I'd also include them in area:highway but
they are in no way amenity=parking in my understanding.
"parking" is different from "break-down" even if it might
look similar (car is not moving).

cheers,
Martin

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