Re: [Tagging] Tagging of historic=monument

2015-05-08 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com
wrote:

 a photo of a stone cross over 5m tall


since you cannot walk in it/over it (cfr. monument is large ... as in you
can walk inside it, over it.) it is a memorial.
a monument is often a building IMHO


regards

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Re: [Tagging] Tagging of historic=monument

2015-05-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-05-08 10:15 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com:

 On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 a photo of a stone cross over 5m tall


 since you cannot walk in it/over it (cfr. monument is large ... as in you
 can walk inside it, over it.) it is a memorial.
 a monument is often a building IMHO




5 meters is large ;-)
a monument can be a building, but it can also be something else.

IMHO it also depends on context, if you are in a monumental setting with
everything huge, a 5 meter stone cross might be just a small insignificant
part of it, and could eventually be considered a memorial by the mapper, if
instead this is an isolated feature I would be more inclined to map it as
monument.

Cheers,
Martin
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Re: [Tagging] Tagging village sign

2015-05-08 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On 7 May 2015 at 23:11, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Tips on tagging a village sign please.

 Village sign: an ornate sign located fairly central to the village - such as
 on the village green.

There are lots of these signs near where I live. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village_sign for examples.

I've always used man_made=village_sign to tag them -- which seems to
have a number of uses according to
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=village+sign#values
(although a good proportional of them are probably down to me).

The village name shown on the sign should also be recorded, and for
that I've used name=*. I know that perhaps doesn't quite fit with the
usual use of name=*, as here it's the name being shown, rather than
the name of the sign, but I thought it was close enough. But if anyone
has any better suggestions there...

Robert.

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Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite

2015-05-08 Thread Tom Pfeifer

pmailkeey . wrote on 2015-05-06 23:13:


On 6 May 2015 at 20:40, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 
mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:



if they're static I'd probably tag them like other huts you can rent for 
vacation.

As in 'alpine_hut' ?


No, an alpine_hut is more like a hostel in a remote location,
it is managed by staff and you would book just a place to sleep in the hut,
not the full building.

tom


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[Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

2015-05-08 Thread Andrew MacKinnon
I propose to create the tag shop=wholesale for stores that sell
large quantities of merchandise in bulk, such as Costco and Sam's
Club. Many such stores require a membership to join. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warehouse_club. This tag has 320 uses
in taginfo already.

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Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

2015-05-08 Thread Stefano
2015-05-08 18:04 GMT+02:00 Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com:

 I propose to create the tag shop=wholesale for stores that sell
 large quantities of merchandise in bulk, such as Costco and Sam's
 Club. Many such stores require a membership to join. See
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warehouse_club. This tag has 320 uses
 in taginfo already.


Hi,
I described (and proposed) the tag in 2011 with a wholesale key to specify
the items sold

http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Proposed_features/wholesale

Feel free to edit the page or improve it :-)

Regards,
Stefano


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Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

2015-05-08 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Fri, 2015-05-08 at 12:04 -0400, Andrew MacKinnon wrote:
 I propose to create the tag shop=wholesale for stores that sell
 large quantities of merchandise in bulk, such as Costco and Sam's
 Club. Many such stores require a membership to join. See
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warehouse_club. This tag has 320 uses
 in taginfo already.

I agree with the general concept, but there needs to be a way to
differentiate Costco/Sam's/BJ's from other types of wholesalers. I can't
think of anything better besides something like shop=department_store
and some additional tag(s) to indicate membership is required to do
business there (access=members maybe?).


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Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

2015-05-08 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I propose to create the tag shop=wholesale for stores that sell
 large quantities of merchandise in bulk, such as Costco and Sam's
 Club. Many such stores require a membership to join. See
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warehouse_club. This tag has 320 uses
 in taginfo already.


A wholesale merchant sells to retailers and service businesses, usually not
to consumers. Warehouse clubs are a better description of Costco and Sam's
club.


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Re: [Tagging] Tagging village sign

2015-05-08 Thread althio
Please have a look at:
man_made=village_sign
+ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:inscription

- althio

On 8 May 2015 at 11:50, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 7 May 2015 at 23:11, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Tips on tagging a village sign please.

 Village sign: an ornate sign located fairly central to the village - such as
 on the village green.

 There are lots of these signs near where I live. See
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village_sign for examples.

 I've always used man_made=village_sign to tag them -- which seems to
 have a number of uses according to
 http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=village+sign#values
 (although a good proportional of them are probably down to me).

 The village name shown on the sign should also be recorded, and for
 that I've used name=*. I know that perhaps doesn't quite fit with the
 usual use of name=*, as here it's the name being shown, rather than
 the name of the sign, but I thought it was close enough. But if anyone
 has any better suggestions there...

 Robert.

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Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

2015-05-08 Thread Warin

On 9/05/2015 11:10 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Matthijs Melissen 
i...@matthijsmelissen.nl mailto:i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote:


Note that we also have shop=trade. It would be good to make the
difference between both tags clear (of deprecate shop=trade, which I
wouldn't oppose).


trade is an attribute.

Any type of shop (plumbing, electrical, lumber, restaurant supplies) 
could be trade focused.
Such shops do not cater to walk in consumer traffic, and may be 
hostile to customers

who come in without trade knowledge.



Wholesale implies a large quantity of goods, they sell in quantity (the 
quantity may be over some time, say a year).


A 'Trade' shop implies specialist goods and specialist knowledge, not 
things that are present in supermarkets.
An Electronics trade shop will know what a 12 puff capacitor is and have 
several types available, high Q please.
A Plumbers trade shop will have several types of stop cocks available... 
etc.


A trade shop may accept walk in customers .. but give them retail prices 
where as a trade person would get trade price.
Some trades are protected by law and a trade shop may refuse sales based 
on that .. usually safety related.
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Re: [Tagging] Tagging village sign

2015-05-08 Thread pmailkeey .
Cheers, I'll have a think on this one :)

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Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

2015-05-08 Thread John Willis


 On May 9, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Wholesale implies a large quantity of goods, they sell in quantity (the 
 quantity may be over some time, say a year).

Then wholesale is an subtag on the shop, since it doesn't describe what they 
are selling, right?

There are wholesale trade shops, wholesale food shops, wholesale lumber shops, 
etc...

Is there some tag for membership, or is that assumed knowledge if you live in 
the region? (Most people in Japan know costco is membership, for example). 

Thinking about it reminds me I have no idea how to tag them, along with the 
sub-businesses inside (food court, pharmacy, tire shop, etc). I just put shop 
nodes in the building, but maybe that's not the best way to do it. 

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Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

2015-05-08 Thread Warin

On 9/05/2015 1:35 PM, John Willis wrote:



On May 9, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote:

Wholesale implies a large quantity of goods, they sell in quantity (the 
quantity may be over some time, say a year).

Then wholesale is an subtag on the shop, since it doesn't describe what they 
are selling, right?


Hummm ... I'd not want a wholesaler identified as a shop ... let me put it this 
way?

If a gasoline wholesaler were identified as a fuel station and you drove your 
car in there .. they'd sell you gasoline ... say 250 gallons of it minimum.  :-D





There are wholesale trade shops, wholesale food shops, wholesale lumber shops, 
etc...

Is there some tag for membership, or is that assumed knowledge if you live in 
the region? (Most people in Japan know costco is membership, for example).


access = membership ?



Thinking about it reminds me I have no idea how to tag them, along with the 
sub-businesses inside (food court, pharmacy, tire shop, etc). I just put shop 
nodes in the building, but maybe that's not the best way to do it.


I've not looked at it hard. I have tagged nodes and buildings (closed way) as 
shops .. they do appear on the rendered maps.


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Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

2015-05-08 Thread John Willis

 On May 9, 2015, at 4:00 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote:
 
 
 On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com wrote:
 I propose to create the tag shop=wholesale for stores that sell
 large quantities of merchandise in bulk, such as Costco and Sam's
 Club. Many such stores require a membership to join. See
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warehouse_club. This tag has 320 uses
 in taginfo already.
 
 A wholesale merchant sells to retailers and service businesses, usually not 
 to consumers. Warehouse clubs are a better description of Costco and Sam's 
 club. 


+1 price club started out as restaurant and convince store supply. It slowly 
grew into a consumer outlet.

But there are many stores open to he public that cater to professionals in that 
business - meaning their *stock* is tailored to the professional vs the 
consumer - a consumer doesn't have the need nor the knowledge to shop at a 
professional shop, though they can enter and buy if they want. 

These stores are valuable but uncommon, and are usually really focused on a 
specific industry. I used to got to an industrial supply store - high end 
tools, high end consumables, and high-end hardware (bolts, fasteners, etc) that 
are not house building bolts and screws like you'd find at Home Depot. 
http://goo.gl/maps/isNqa

That shop is not meant for a consumer, but consumers can shop there.

Costco and SAMs club are totally meant for consumers - they just require a 
membership. 

Javbw. 



 
 
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Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

2015-05-08 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl
wrote:

 Note that we also have shop=trade. It would be good to make the
 difference between both tags clear (of deprecate shop=trade, which I
 wouldn't oppose).


trade is an attribute.

Any type of shop (plumbing, electrical, lumber, restaurant supplies) could
be trade focused.
Such shops do not cater to walk in consumer traffic, and may be hostile to
customers
who come in without trade knowledge.
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Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

2015-05-08 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Note that we also have shop=trade. It would be good to make the
difference between both tags clear (of deprecate shop=trade, which I
wouldn't oppose).

-- Matthijs

On 8 May 2015 at 17:04, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com wrote:
 I propose to create the tag shop=wholesale for stores that sell
 large quantities of merchandise in bulk, such as Costco and Sam's
 Club. Many such stores require a membership to join. See
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warehouse_club. This tag has 320 uses
 in taginfo already.

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