Re: [Tagging] Building names, historical/original owner?

[Michael Patrick]

> I have a question about `name=` and variants of names. I've been reading
a lot of local history and in the architecture/history world, houses are
generally named for the first resident that they were built for.
E.g."Johnson house" and are referred to in this way even after many
generations of new owners. ... For some of these buildings they are
commonly referred to by the public using this historical-owner name. For
example the "Osborne house" ...  in my town was referred to as such in
public meetings and newspapers several years ago .. ... Especially in the
case of a building taken up by a single business, locals will simply refer
to the building as the ... or some other tag?

For at least part of this use case, these are known as 'landmark' buildings
( and other things, like the 'Blue Star Highway
' or 'Lincoln
Highway "), and they have
that designation whether they've been moved, etc. The name reflects the
original builder, owner, company, congregation, ranch, farm, etc. The
landmark status can official
 ( local, state,
federal ) or not ( usually the case in rural areas ).

There seems to already be some tags along these lines in taginfo,
landmark_building, and landmark with a key value of building.
,
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Re: [Tagging] Bad mapping in Pointe Noire Africa?

[Kevin Kenny]

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 8:12 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I came across a lot of sport=null  .. and found it in Pointe Noire,some
> 18,000?
>
> Looks like there are a few other *=null there too.

'null' usually indicates a botched import from a database that had
fields with missing values.

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[Tagging] Bad mapping in Pointe Noire Africa?

[Warin]

Hi

I came across a lot of sport=null  .. and found it in Pointe Noire,some 
18,000?


Looks like there are a few other *=null there too.


Anyone with any idea of what *=null might be taken as? I have made a 
changeset comment, but thought I'd ask here too.






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[Tagging] Highway=*_link roads at Y-junctions and roundabouts?

[Joseph Eisenberg]

While checking the rendering of highway link roads (eg motorway_link,
primary_link, tertiary_link), I noticed that in some cases these tags
are used when a road splits in a Y-junction, for example before a
traffic circle / roundabout. In some areas these are the most common
forms of _link for less major roads, eg secondary_link and
tertiary_link.

On the wiki there was some debate about whether it was correct to tag
a Y-junction as leading into link roads, or if these should only be
used for slip lanes and on-ramps which merge off of or onto the
through-lanes of another road:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Highway_link

Also see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_link which is
marked with a banner that "This article or section contains
questioned, contended or controversial information."

Examples of tertiary_link used at a roundabout (rendered thinner in
these examples)
https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/42757252/5948-8e4c7c80-ffde-11e8-8718-3446aefe7ab6.png
https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/42757252/5961-9a383e80-ffde-11e8-8d7a-cd85f4dbf125.png

Here are some debatable places where a tertiary_link might be tagged
at a Y-junction:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/412162671
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2539835932

-Joseph

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Re: [Tagging] how to map soft story/soft storey buildings properly?

[Paul Allen]

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 10:49 PM Stefano Maffulli 
wrote:

>
> Question for the community: does it make sense to add soft story
> information using the key building:soft_storey=y/n (similar to
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building:fireproof) or should I
> use building:structure=soft_storey?
>

Ask yourself how you'd handle a concrete soft story building and I think
the answer is clear.  And it's
also clear that building:structure is not really a good key for dealing
with concrete/masonry, and that
building:material might have been better.  But that decision was made too
long ago to change now.
Since soft story and concrete are kinda orthogonal, using
building:structure to handle both is
problematic and will only lead to another battle over semicolons.

-- 
Paul
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[Tagging] how to map soft story/soft storey buildings properly?

[Stefano Maffulli]

Hello folks,

i'm a bit confused about how to map soft story buildings. The Wikipedia
definition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_story_building is

soft story building is a multi-story building in which one or more floors
have windows, wide doors, large unobstructed commercial spaces, or other
openings in places where a shear wall would normally be required for
stability as a matter of earthquake engineering design.

A few years ago, there was an effort (promoted by World Bank, it seems) to
map buildings in OSM for Katmandu where they used key
buidling:soft_storey=yes/no. They never proposed a formal tag. The results
of that effort is a bit confusing and I'm not sure it's the best approach.
See
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Kathmandu_Living_Labs/exposuresurvey#Building_Structure

There are ~13,000 buildings using that key, yes/no
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/building:soft_storey

I'm not convinced soft_storey should be its own key or rather a structural
characteristic of a building. For example, building:structure is widely
used to tell if buildings are made of masonry, reinforced concrete, etc. It
would make sense for soft_storey to be a value of that key.
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/building:structure

The values are not standardized and lots of spelling creativity is in that
key.  BTW, there is no wiki page for building:structure either.

Question for the community: does it make sense to add soft story
information using the key building:soft_storey=y/n (similar to
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building:fireproof) or should I use
building:structure=soft_storey?

Thanks,
stef
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[Tagging] Voting for Public Transport Schedules/Interval

[Leif Rasmussen]

Hi everyone,

I am now opening up voting for the tag "interval".  Once approved, it will
be used on bus routes, ferry routes, railway routes, and others to state
the frequency at which buses, trains, or ferries arrive.  This is a very
simple addition that will not cause any data to be broken.  The most this
could really do is add an extra tag added on to existing relations.

I will open up the other two proposals, Timetable relations and ferry
routes, for voting after this voting is complete.

Anyway, please vote on the proposal and share your thoughts!  My goal is to
create a system that is simple, yet useful, and serves everyone's needs.



https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Public_transport_schedules/Interval



Thanks,
Leif Rasmussen
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Re: [Tagging] Building names, historical/original owner?

[Adam Franco]

On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 11:46 AM Jmapb  wrote:

> IMO it's fine to use old_name=* even without name=* -- to record the fact
> that it used to be known as the Johnson House, but there's no current name
> in common use. J
>

Thanks all for the feedback. I guess I'll use old_name=* for these. The
names may be currently applicable but not in common use, sort of an
alternate name used mostly by historians. alt_name=* seems to be equally
valid, but a little less precise.
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