Re: [Tagging] Continuous Sidewalk or Cycleway

[Peter Elderson]

Op vr 24 jan. 2020 om 07:38 schreef Marc Gemis :

> could this be solved with highway=crossing and a new, dedicated value
> for crossing?
> And you could map the kerbs before and after that crossing.
>

(How) would this work where sidewalks are not mapped as separate ways but
with sidewalk=yes?

Best, Peter Elderson
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Re: [Tagging] Continuous Sidewalk or Cycleway

[Marc Gemis]

could this be solved with highway=crossing and a new, dedicated value
for crossing?
And you could map the kerbs before and after that crossing.

regards

m

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 7:29 AM Peter Elderson  wrote:
>
> YM like here? 
> https://www.google.nl/maps/@52.0817214,4.3213884,3a,48.3y,87.48h,90.51t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sb8Aiyn4YOsRoPIQEZWIe4w!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3Db8Aiyn4YOsRoPIQEZWIe4w%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D153.47363%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=nl=0
>
> Traffic from the right has to cross the continuous pedestrian pavement. In 
> Nederland, pedestrians have legal priority here, comparable to a car exit 
> over a sidewalk. It is called "exit-construction".
>
> I pass many of these every day (the street I live in exits like that). 
> https://www.google.nl/maps/@51.9653872,4.6089884,3a,75y,66h,76.98t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sd-J60SxVJrAWf3fp1_x-qg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i47?hl=nl=0
>
> If priority is deemed important enough for mapping, a mapping solution is 
> needed. We had some discussion on this, but no solution was found.
>
> Best, Peter Elderson
>
>
> Op do 23 jan. 2020 om 21:11 schreef Florimond Berthoux 
> :
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> How to map a continuous sidewalk or cycleway ?
>> In order to solve this question I created a wiki page to sum up my first try 
>> to tag this:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Continuous_Sidewalk
>>
>> The main idea is to use the tag:
>> junction=continuous_sidewalk|continuous_cycleway
>> on node or ways of a feature.
>>
>> Helpful comments are welcome.
>>
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Re: [Tagging] Continuous Sidewalk or Cycleway

[Peter Elderson]

YM like here?
https://www.google.nl/maps/@52.0817214,4.3213884,3a,48.3y,87.48h,90.51t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sb8Aiyn4YOsRoPIQEZWIe4w!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3Db8Aiyn4YOsRoPIQEZWIe4w%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D153.47363%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=nl=0


Traffic from the right has to cross the continuous pedestrian pavement. In
Nederland, pedestrians have legal priority here, comparable to a car exit
over a sidewalk. It is called "exit-construction".

I pass many of these every day (the street I live in exits like that).
https://www.google.nl/maps/@51.9653872,4.6089884,3a,75y,66h,76.98t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sd-J60SxVJrAWf3fp1_x-qg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i47?hl=nl=0

If priority is deemed important enough for mapping, a mapping solution is
needed. We had some discussion on this, but no solution was found.

Best, Peter Elderson


Op do 23 jan. 2020 om 21:11 schreef Florimond Berthoux <
florimond.berth...@gmail.com>:

> Hello,
>
> How to map a continuous sidewalk or cycleway ?
> In order to solve this question I created a wiki page to sum up my first
> try to tag this:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Continuous_Sidewalk
>
> The main idea is to use the tag:
> junction=continuous_sidewalk|continuous_cycleway
> on node or ways of a feature.
>
> Helpful comments are welcome.
>
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Re: [Tagging] a kind of name:XX-modern-not-used

[Phake Nick]

You can consider using BCP 47 extension T as language tag in OpenStreetMap
follow BCP 47 practice. The extension T is for denoting content that have
been transformed from one language into another, so if you write fr-t-frm
then it would denote the content is transformed fron Middle French
(15th-17th century) to Modern French (with frm being the ISO 639 code for
Middle French, and thus you can write name:fr-t-frm=X into the object. You
can read the BCP47 original document for more information.

在 2020年1月24日週五 05:51，marc marc  寫道：

> Hello,
>
> some words in the name of some street is not understood by some people.
> these are often old notations, sometimes borrowed from another language
> but used in the official language to name this street.
> street sign have those "one-name-but-in-mixed-language" and only that.
>
> a contributor spends time trying to find the meaning of these words and
> replaces the name with a modern version, absent both from the ground and
> from use, in favour of a name that is the one that could have been
> written if this street had been created today.
> it's a bit as if this contributor added to Big Ben name:fr="Grand Ben"
> or "Nouveau York" for "New York"
> it's obviously wrong. but how could we keep track of the meanings
> of the words from the old days?
> I thinking about a kind of tag name:fr-modern-not-used or a kind of
> name:etymology but which does not inform a person but an object, a
> building, a profession, ...
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Regards,
> Marc
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Re: [Tagging] Continuous Sidewalk or Cycleway

[Nick Bolten]

Hi Florimand!

This is an interesting situation. Would it be possible to draw an overhead
diagram of the situation in question? Also, is this a tag that could
potentially go through the proposal process? It isn't in taginfo I'd be
happy to help any way I can.

Best,

Nick


On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 12:11 PM Florimond Berthoux <
florimond.berth...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> How to map a continuous sidewalk or cycleway ?
> In order to solve this question I created a wiki page to sum up my first
> try to tag this:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Continuous_Sidewalk
>
> The main idea is to use the tag:
> junction=continuous_sidewalk|continuous_cycleway
> on node or ways of a feature.
>
> Helpful comments are welcome.
>
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Re: [Tagging] Continuous Sidewalk or Cycleway

[Jarek Piórkowski]

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 17:05, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 21:11, Florimond Berthoux 
>  wrote:
>> How to map a continuous sidewalk or cycleway ?
>> In order to solve this question I created a wiki page to sum up my first try 
>> to tag this:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Continuous_Sidewalk
>>
>> The main idea is to use the tag:
>> junction=continuous_sidewalk|continuous_cycleway
>> on node or ways of a feature.
>>
>> Helpful comments are welcome.
>
> How is this legally and physically different form this situation:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/203142300
> https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/B9kqmuGy9C2qp0O86oQy5Q
> ?

"for instance in France a car driver crossing a sidewalk must give way
to others" says the wiki page. Presumably this is a different legal
case than at a crosswalk in France.

--Jarek

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Re: [Tagging] a kind of name:XX-modern-not-used

[Warin]

Why should OSM record the meaning of names?


A few Australian names have meaning ...

Kirribilli means 'place across the water'.

Should these be recorded in OSM?


I think not.




On 24/1/20 9:01 am, ferdi98...@gmail.com wrote:


So if I understand you correctly I’d suggest something like 
name:literally and name:XX:literally which describes the literal 
meaning of words


*From: *marc marc 
*Sent: *Donnerstag, 23. Januar 2020 22:51
*To: *tag 
*Subject: *[Tagging] a kind of name:XX-modern-not-used

Hello,

some words in the name of some street is not understood by some people.

these are often old notations, sometimes borrowed from another language

but used in the official language to name this street.

street sign have those "one-name-but-in-mixed-language" and only that.

a contributor spends time trying to find the meaning of these words and

replaces the name with a modern version, absent both from the ground and

from use, in favour of a name that is the one that could have been

written if this street had been created today.

it's a bit as if this contributor added to Big Ben name:fr="Grand Ben"

or "Nouveau York" for "New York"

it's obviously wrong. but how could we keep track of the meanings

of the words from the old days?

I thinking about a kind of tag name:fr-modern-not-used or a kind of

name:etymology but which does not inform a person but an object, a

building, a profession, ...

Any ideas?

Regards,

Marc

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Re: [Tagging] Continuous Sidewalk or Cycleway

[Volker Schmidt]

How is this legally and physically different form this situation:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/203142300
https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/B9kqmuGy9C2qp0O86oQy5Q
?

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 21:11, Florimond Berthoux <
florimond.berth...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> How to map a continuous sidewalk or cycleway ?
> In order to solve this question I created a wiki page to sum up my first
> try to tag this:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Continuous_Sidewalk
>
> The main idea is to use the tag:
> junction=continuous_sidewalk|continuous_cycleway
> on node or ways of a feature.
>
> Helpful comments are welcome.
>
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Re: [Tagging] a kind of name:XX-modern-not-used

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So if I understand you correctly I’d suggest something like name:literally and name:XX:literally which describes the literal meaning of wordsFrom: marc marcSent: Donnerstag, 23. Januar 2020 22:51To: tagSubject: [Tagging] a kind of name:XX-modern-not-used Hello, some words in the name of some street is not understood by some people.these are often old notations, sometimes borrowed from another languagebut used in the official language to name this street.street sign have those "one-name-but-in-mixed-language" and only that. a contributor spends time trying to find the meaning of these words andreplaces the name with a modern version, absent both from the ground andfrom use, in favour of a name that is the one that could have beenwritten if this street had been created today.it's a bit as if this contributor added to Big Ben name:fr="Grand Ben"or "Nouveau York" for "New York"it's obviously wrong. but how could we keep track of the meaningsof the words from the old days?I thinking about a kind of tag name:fr-modern-not-used or a kind ofname:etymology but which does not inform a person but an object, abuilding, a profession, ... Any ideas? Regards,Marc___Tagging mailing listTagging@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging 

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[Tagging] a kind of name:XX-modern-not-used

[marc marc]

Hello,

some words in the name of some street is not understood by some people.
these are often old notations, sometimes borrowed from another language
but used in the official language to name this street.
street sign have those "one-name-but-in-mixed-language" and only that.

a contributor spends time trying to find the meaning of these words and
replaces the name with a modern version, absent both from the ground and
from use, in favour of a name that is the one that could have been
written if this street had been created today.
it's a bit as if this contributor added to Big Ben name:fr="Grand Ben"
or "Nouveau York" for "New York"
it's obviously wrong. but how could we keep track of the meanings
of the words from the old days?
I thinking about a kind of tag name:fr-modern-not-used or a kind of
name:etymology but which does not inform a person but an object, a
building, a profession, ...

Any ideas?

Regards,
Marc
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[Tagging] Continuous Sidewalk or Cycleway

[Florimond Berthoux]

Hello,

How to map a continuous sidewalk or cycleway ?
In order to solve this question I created a wiki page to sum up my first
try to tag this:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Continuous_Sidewalk

The main idea is to use the tag:
junction=continuous_sidewalk|continuous_cycleway
on node or ways of a feature.

Helpful comments are welcome.

-- 
Florimond Berthoux
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Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

[European Water Project]

Hello,

To summarize the discussion so far  :

All the following are acceptable ways to tag a fountain  :

operation_status = XXX  - for fountains which are not operational on a
specific sighting
disused:--- when the observation or observations leads the mapper to
believe there is a good chance the fountain is no longer working on a
permanent basis
intermittent = yes - sometime the fountain is working, sometimes it is off
seasonal =if it is obvious which season the fountain
will be operating and which season the fountain will be shut.
opening_hours = month range (e.g.  Apr-Oct) - to designate a specific month
range when the fountain is operational.

&&   Deleting a non-functioning fountain node, is discouraged

Best regards,

Stuart


On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 17:35, Martin Koppenhoefer 
wrote:

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>
> sent from a phone
>
> > On 20. Jan 2020, at 16:34, marc marc  wrote:
> >
> > but to switch to disused: if there's no water on the day of the survey,
> > I think that's excessive.
>
>
> for the drinking fountains in my area seeing there is no water does indeed
> justify to put it on disused, while it’s in theory just a tap that is
> closed it isn’t something that is done on a frequent basis and from
> experience it is likely it will remain like this for months and maybe years
> or forever.
> For decorative fountains the situation is different here because they are
> usually only turned off for maintenance/damages and not for no apparent
> reason (this depends on the context, in Berlin for example they turned
> fountains off to save money, at least this was the situation 10years ago
> and outside the highlight tourist areas). Unless a decorative fountain is
> visibly and seriously damaged I wouldn’t set it to disused here, even if I
> saw it without water.
>
> I also encourage everybody to use the fountain subtag, by the way.
>
>
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Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water

[Markus Peloso]

Thanks for that. Now it's clear for me.

+1 from me for drinking_water:refill_scheme

I found three national programs (with maps) that I think are related to this 
tag.
- https://refill.org.uk/refill-schemes/
- https://refill-deutschland.de/
- http://www.fillitup.ch/karte.html

Von: European Water Project
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. Januar 2020 08:02
An: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
Betreff: Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water

Dear All,

I have amended the proposal with the tag and a simplified example.

The proposal is definitely more KISS.

drinking_water:refill_scheme = 

Best regards,

Stuart

On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 14:21, Philip Barnes 
mailto:p...@trigpoint.me.uk>> wrote:


On Wednesday, 22 January 2020, European Water Project wrote:
> Hi Paul et. al,
>
> I would also be very supportive of this straightforward approach which
> would address many of the concerns regarding an over complicated tagging
> scheme covering cases that are often mandated by local legislation.
>
> One clean solution could be the following or something similar.
>
> drinking_water:refill_scheme=
>

Thank you.

Paul's response did clear up my reservations on the idea.

The webpage makes it clear there is a sticker that is verifiable without going 
in a asking. Not sure if that was mentioned before or if I had simply missed it.

This meets the gold osm standard of Verifable.

Now I know there is something to look out for I can start looking when I'm out.

Its a shame the website doesn't have location, I do not use Google play, but I 
guess thats why you want to put them into OSM.

As its a UK scheme, discussion on the talk-gb list would be more focussed and 
you will reach more mappers who are able to survey and contribute.

Cheers
Phil  (trigpoint)

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