Re: [Tagging] Relations of type=site + tourism=camp_site
Instead of type=site + tourism=camp_site, type=site + site=camp_site would be less prone to objections, maybe. Regards, Yves Le 9 novembre 2022 22:00:23 GMT+01:00, Sven Geggus a écrit : >Hello, > >about a year ago I implemented support for site relations in OpenCampingMap. > >My announcement from back then is at: >https://blog.geggus.net/2021/09/announcing-support-for-site-relations-in-opencampingmap/ > >Now a recent changeset discussion is questioning my whole approach because it >arguably violates the "One feature, one OSM element principle": > >https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126035627 > >Ignoring the principle (which is not absolute anyway) in this case and >adding a relation of type=site + tourism=camp_site containing the actual >tourism=camp_site object as a member does solve the problem thus I would go >for doing just this as I did a year ago. > >Obviously others seem to differ here. > >Currently the above changeset breaks my map regarding those campsites where >the tourism=camp_site tag has been removed from the site relation. > >External features are no longer shown :( > >So how to resolve this problem? > >campsites with external features (e.g. sanitary facilities used by a >campsite and a sport-center) do exist in the wild and they usually do also >have on-the-ground objects (way, node, polygon-relation) where no other tag >than tourism=camp_site does make sense. > >What do you think? > >Sven > >___ >Tagging mailing list >Tagging@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Possible merge of marine_rescue & lifeboat_station tags?
On 10/11/22 14:19, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: Another question! In a number of places e.g. https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1nBt the Rescue unit has two buildings - an admin base / radio room / lookout tower, usually overlooking the river mouth, together with a boatshed a bit further upriver e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/244664674 & https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/939551533. I would use the same emergency tag on both of them - would we all agree that that would be correct? The same problem exists with fire services .. a 'fire station', a 'fire control centre' .. and just recently came across a 'fire training centre'. I think they are all tagged 'fire_station'. Possibly some sub tags could be had of fire_station=control_centre/training_centre/emergency_service ??? I think =lifeboat_station is the better value and 'emergency' the better key. If they have no boat nor anyway other than swimming then they are not a lifeboat station .. at best a life guard station for which tags already exist. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Possible merge of marine_rescue & lifeboat_station tags?
Another question! In a number of places e.g. https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1nBt the Rescue unit has two buildings - an admin base / radio room / lookout tower, usually overlooking the river mouth, together with a boatshed a bit further upriver e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/244664674 & https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/939551533. I would use the same emergency tag on both of them - would we all agree that that would be correct? Thanks Graeme On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 at 18:14, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > I think so? > > > Nov 9, 2022, 07:45 by graemefi...@gmail.com: > > Thanks! > > Once again, would =lifeboat_station cover them? > > Thanks > > Graeme > > > On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 at 16:38, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > Fixed link on it. > > By looking at https://mopr.com.pl/stacje-i-ratownicy/ there are two that > are definitely > serious inland ones, maybe four of them among operated by MOPR. > > And yes, there are only few of them - but still, ideally they would be > covered > by nonconfusing tagging (none of "=marine_rescue redefined to not be > marine") > > And I expect that other countries with major freshwater lakes and major > rivers > also have them already or will have them in future. > > Nov 9, 2022, 01:38 by graemefi...@gmail.com: > > Thanks, but are they usually found inland? > > I found a few rescue / lifeboat stations along the Polish coast, but only > one mapped inland, which either doesn't exist anymore, or it's website has > changed? > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/254564700 > > > https://mopr.com.pl/1-nasza-stacja/stacje-i-ratownicy-gizycko-galeria-stacji.html > > (Either that, or the previous mapper made a mistake! :-)) > > Thanks > > Graeme > > > On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 at 09:37, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > > > Nov 9, 2022, 00:19 by graemefi...@gmail.com: > > Looking at some of the "inland" examples shown on OT, I wonder if they > should actually be tagged as a "lifeboat-station" at all, or whether they > would be better shown as a lifeguard base? > > MOPR and MOPR Giżycko station specifically for example has proper boats: > > https://mopr.com.pl/sprzet/ lists what MOPR operates > > > https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1s0x46e188778f5ccdbb%3A0x59ce788583f65b5a!3m1!7e115!4shttps%3A%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPer7fMBHgyY5wg8EFphzvbrhgS-pl2WK4Exnc%3Dw213-h160-k-no!5sMOPR%20Gi%C5%BCycko%20-%20Google%20Search!15sCgIgAQ=!1e10!2sAF1QipPer7fMBHgyY5wg8EFphzvbrhgS-pl2WK4Exnc=en=X=2ahUKEwjcgO7d3p_7AhUxXvEDHdiDBj0Qoip6BQi9ARAD > > https://mopr.com.pl/stacje-i-ratownicy/ > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - highway=scramble
Voting has started for Highway=Scramble. The proposal underwent substantial changes during RfC. I am much obliged to all those who did contribute sound advice and helped shape the proposal. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/highway=scramble Hungerburg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Relations of type=site + tourism=camp_site
Hello, about a year ago I implemented support for site relations in OpenCampingMap. My announcement from back then is at: https://blog.geggus.net/2021/09/announcing-support-for-site-relations-in-opencampingmap/ Now a recent changeset discussion is questioning my whole approach because it arguably violates the "One feature, one OSM element principle": https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126035627 Ignoring the principle (which is not absolute anyway) in this case and adding a relation of type=site + tourism=camp_site containing the actual tourism=camp_site object as a member does solve the problem thus I would go for doing just this as I did a year ago. Obviously others seem to differ here. Currently the above changeset breaks my map regarding those campsites where the tourism=camp_site tag has been removed from the site relation. External features are no longer shown :( So how to resolve this problem? campsites with external features (e.g. sanitary facilities used by a campsite and a sport-center) do exist in the wild and they usually do also have on-the-ground objects (way, node, polygon-relation) where no other tag than tourism=camp_site does make sense. What do you think? Sven ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Railway tagging: detail key
Hello, Le 09.11.22 à 10:59, Nathan Case a écrit : The key is predominantly used in France (77.6% of uses [3]) no idea. forwarded/translated to talk-fr + 2 changeset comment Regards, Marc ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Railway tagging: detail key
Hi all, I've noticed substantial use (99,297 instances) of the "detail" key, but it is undocumented on the Wiki. Nearly all uses (99.96%) of this key are detail=track [1], which is associated with railways [2]. The key is predominantly used in France (77.6% of uses [3]) but also elsewhere across central Europe. I have concerns about this key (it's ambiguous and perhaps redundant if all "correct" uses are for the same value) but, nevertheless, it would be good to document its usage if possible. I haven't found anything in the railway=*, railways, or OpenRailwayMap/Tagging documentation [4,5,6]. Does anybody know the background to this key, or what its intended values might be? Many thanks, Nathan [1] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/detail#values [2] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/detail#combinations [3] https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1nzc [4] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:railway [5] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Railways [6] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenRailwayMap/Tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Possible merge of marine_rescue & lifeboat_station tags?
I think so? Nov 9, 2022, 07:45 by graemefi...@gmail.com: > Thanks! > > Once again, would =lifeboat_station cover them? > > Thanks > > Graeme > > > On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 at 16:38, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <> > tagging@openstreetmap.org> > wrote: > >> Fixed link on it. >> >> By looking at >> https://mopr.com.pl/stacje-i-ratownicy/>> there are two >> that are definitely >> serious inland ones, maybe four of them among operated by MOPR. >> >> And yes, there are only few of them - but still, ideally they would be >> covered >> by nonconfusing tagging (none of "=marine_rescue redefined to not be marine") >> >> And I expect that other countries with major freshwater lakes and major >> rivers >> also have them already or will have them in future. >> >> Nov 9, 2022, 01:38 by >> graemefi...@gmail.com>> : >> >>> Thanks, but are they usually found inland? >>> >>> I found a few rescue / lifeboat stations along the Polish coast, but only >>> one mapped inland, which either doesn't exist anymore, or it's website has >>> changed? >>> >>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/254564700 >>> >>> https://mopr.com.pl/1-nasza-stacja/stacje-i-ratownicy-gizycko-galeria-stacji.html >>> >>> (Either that, or the previous mapper made a mistake! :-)) >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Graeme >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 at 09:37, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <>>> >>> tagging@openstreetmap.org>>> > wrote: >>> Nov 9, 2022, 00:19 by graemefi...@gmail.com : > Looking at some of the "inland" examples shown on OT, I wonder if they > should actually be tagged as a "lifeboat-station" at all, or whether they > would be better shown as a lifeguard base? > MOPR and MOPR Giżycko station specifically for example has proper boats: https://mopr.com.pl/sprzet/ lists what MOPR operates https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1s0x46e188778f5ccdbb%3A0x59ce788583f65b5a!3m1!7e115!4shttps%3A%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPer7fMBHgyY5wg8EFphzvbrhgS-pl2WK4Exnc%3Dw213-h160-k-no!5sMOPR%20Gi%C5%BCycko%20-%20Google%20Search!15sCgIgAQ=!1e10!2sAF1QipPer7fMBHgyY5wg8EFphzvbrhgS-pl2WK4Exnc=en=X=2ahUKEwjcgO7d3p_7AhUxXvEDHdiDBj0Qoip6BQi9ARAD https://mopr.com.pl/stacje-i-ratownicy/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
