Re: [Tagging] craft vs office for service enterprises/establishments.

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 at 02:51, Daniel Bégin  wrote:

> and office=psychologist because they provide services.
>

I would usually use healthcare=psychotherapist for them.

Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [Tagging] craft vs office for service enterprises/establishments.

[Daniel Bégin]

Marc_marc wrote: “I would have rather described the [office] key as being the 
place of cerebral or administrative tasks, as opposed to craft which is the 
place of manual tasks”.

So basically, you consider that craft refers to any manual activity, from 
dressmakers to electricians, which could make sense. Using the same definition, 
using office=psychologist would also make sense, right?

Going back to the electrician as an example. The workplace of a person who 
comes to your house to change a plug or make an electrical installation in a 
building is tagged craft=electrician. I’m fine with it.
What if this electrician does a very good job and get popular? The electrician 
eventually hires many other electricians, secretaries, accountants, and create 
a company. Does that workplace be then tagged as office=company and 
company=electrician since mostly administrative tasks are now held in the 
workplace? Or if only the final output of the company is taken into account and 
then still be tagged craft=electrician?

Just trying to figure out a way to make sense ...
and I find it helpful so far :-)


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From: Marc_marc
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Subject: Re: [Tagging] craft vs office for service enterprises/establishments.

Le 25.01.23 à 17:48, Daniel Bégin a écrit :
> office=* refers to places mainly providing services
> and frequently selling them.

I would have rather described the key as being the place of cerebral or
administrative tasks, as opposed to craf which is the place of manual
tasks: technically it is not impossible that a craftsman has an office
in one place and a workshop in another (and even a shop in a third place)

> I would also use office=* for electricians because they provide services

it depends on the meaning of electrician:
if it is the person who comes to your house to change a plug or make
an electrical installation in a building, it is clearly a manual work
and not a service.
if it is the person working for a company producing electricity,
it is industrial with offices (but where there is no electrician)




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Re: [Tagging] tagging the diameter of a mini-roundabout

[Volker Schmidt]

I see that I was not precise with my question: I am after a way to tag the
overall diameter of the round surface composed of the mini-roundabout road
surface plus the traversable central part. This is an important measure for
trucks. I happen to live near one of these with an outer diameter of 12 m,
and that attracts regularly articulated lorries like the cheese attracts
flies. This triggered the question.

Il giorno mer 25 gen 2023 alle ore 19:10 Peter Neale via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org> ha scritto:

> According to the Wiki (with which I happen to agree), a mini-roundabout is
> defined as:
>
> "...a special type of roundabout in which the middle can be traversed
>  by vehicles, and is
> typically used where there is only limited space available. Road traffic
> flows in one direction around a point in the middle and the traffic in the
> roundabout has right-of-way. The middle of a mini-roundabout is usually
> only a painted circle, but there might also be a low, fully traversable
> (mountable) dome or island."
>
> As it is traversable, does it really have a diameter?  Or, if there is a
> painted circle (are traversable domed area) on the ground, perhaps that has
> a diameter, but does it matter to any prospective map user?
>
> Regards,
> Peter
>
> Peter Neale
> t: 01908 309666
> m: 07968 341930
>
>
> On Wednesday, 25 January 2023 at 17:53:55 GMT, Volker Schmidt <
> vosc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Is there an established way to tag the diameter of a mini-roundabout?
>
> We have the tag diameter, but I could not find it applied to
> mini-roundabouts.
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Re: [Tagging] tagging the diameter of a mini-roundabout

[Peter Neale via Tagging]

According to the Wiki (with which I happen to agree), a mini-roundabout is 
defined as:
"...a special type of roundabout in which the middle can be traversed by 
vehicles, and is typically used where there is only limited space available. 
Road traffic flows in one direction around a point in the middle and the 
traffic in the roundabout has right-of-way. The middle of a mini-roundabout is 
usually only a painted circle, but there might also be a low, fully traversable 
(mountable) dome or island."

As it is traversable, does it really have a diameter?  Or, if there is a 
painted circle (are traversable domed area) on the ground, perhaps that has a 
diameter, but does it matter to any prospective map user?
Regards,Peter
 Peter Neale 
t: 01908 309666 
m: 07968 341930
 

On Wednesday, 25 January 2023 at 17:53:55 GMT, Volker Schmidt 
 wrote:  
 
 Is there an established way to tag the diameter of a mini-roundabout?
We have the tag diameter, but I could not find it applied to mini-roundabouts.
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[Tagging] tagging the diameter of a mini-roundabout

[Volker Schmidt]

Is there an established way to tag the diameter of a mini-roundabout?

We have the tag diameter, but I could not find it applied to
mini-roundabouts.
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Re: [Tagging] craft vs office for service enterprises/establishments.

[Marc_marc]

Le 25.01.23 à 17:48, Daniel Bégin a écrit :
office=* refers to places mainly providing services  
and frequently selling them.


I would have rather described the key as being the place of cerebral or 
administrative tasks, as opposed to craf which is the place of manual 
tasks: technically it is not impossible that a craftsman has an office 
in one place and a workshop in another (and even a shop in a third place)



I would also use office=* for electricians because they provide services


it depends on the meaning of electrician:
if it is the person who comes to your house to change a plug or make
an electrical installation in a building, it is clearly a manual work 
and not a service.

if it is the person working for a company producing electricity,
it is industrial with offices (but where there is no electrician)




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[Tagging] craft vs office for service enterprises/establishments.

[Daniel Bégin]

I want to tag multiple service enterprises and establishments but I am 
struggling to find which key I should use between craft=* and office=*.

craft=* refers to workshops producing or transforming goods, usually in small 
quantities, on demand and to order.
office=* refers to places mainly providing services and frequently selling them.

For example, using above definitions, I would use craft=dressmaker because they 
produce goods, and office=psychologist because they provide services.

My problem is that I would also use office=* for electricians because they 
provide services but they have historically been tagged as craft, as suggest 
the second part of craft’s definition “and for the workplaces of tradespersons 
such as electricians and gardeners".

Smart tips available on which tag to use for hundreds of different types of 
service-related businesses?
Thanks in advance 

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