[Tagging] shop for baby strollers only

[André Riedel]

Should I tag a shop, where I can buy a baby strollers (and only
strollers, nothing more) as shop=baby_goods ?

Or is it better to use shop=stroller ?

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dbaby_goods

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Re: [Tagging] shop for baby strollers only

[André Riedel]

At the moment "stroller" is used for ramps or ways as access condition.

http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=stroller

2014-04-04 12:25 GMT+02:00 Philip Barnes :
> Strollers are, I think, called pushchairs in English.
>
>
> shop=baby_goods
>
> baby_goods=push_chairs
>
>
> Phil (trigpoint)
>
> --
>
>
>
> Sent from my Nokia N9
>
>
>
>
> On 04/04/2014 11:05 Matthijs Melissen wrote:
>
> Personally I would use shop=baby_goods, baby_goods=strollers. That way you
> preserve full detail, and you also accomodate data consumers that don't know
> about stroller shops.
>
> -- Matthijs
>
> On 4 Apr 2014 10:50, "André Riedel"  wrote:
>>
>> Should I tag a shop, where I can buy a baby strollers (and only
>> strollers, nothing more) as shop=baby_goods ?
>>
>> Or is it better to use shop=stroller ?
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dbaby_goods
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[Tagging] difference between park and garden

[André Riedel]

I have a question according to the garden proposal
.

What is the difference between a public garden and a park?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park

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Re: [Tagging] What is this called?

[André Riedel]

See the talk page of new barriers:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/New_barrier_types#other_new_values

espacially:
http://www.maydencroftrural.com/project-details/59/101/12417/Services/Access-control/Horse-hops-horse-stiles.htm
(UK)

I would prefer "barrier=horse_stiles".

André

2010/6/9 John Smith :
> We've been trying to figure out what to call these things...
>
> http://townandcountryfences.com.au/uploads/images/21032009008.jpg
>
> The original person asking suggested "cavaletti", but when I went
> searching the only thing coming up were temporary horse jumps, not
> these kinds of barriers.
>
> I have seen them referred to as horse stiles by Aussie, UK and NZ
> websites and horse hops by US sites.
>
> You can see them in use here:
>
> http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.958364,145.26343&z=22&t=h&nmd=20100416
> and here 
> http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.965911,145.262016&z=22&t=h&nmd=20100416
>
> Apart from trying to prevent riderless horses crossing these barriers
> they are also used to stop motorcyclists.
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Re: [Tagging] What is this called?

[André Riedel]

2010/6/10 Steve Bennett :
>> I would prefer "barrier=horse_stiles".
>
> I think singular: "barrier=horse_stile". There's definitely very
> little google support for "horse hops".
>
> All in favour of barrier=horse_stile?
+1

2010/6/9 John Smith :
> http://townandcountryfences.com.au/uploads/images/21032009008.jpg
Is it possible to use your photo?

André

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Re: [Tagging] Zone 30 (maxspeed)

[André Riedel]

2010/7/6 Sebastian Klein :
> -- ---
> 944    zone:maxspeed=DE:30
> 631    zone:traffic=DE:30
> 516    source:maxspeed=traffic_zone
> 433    source:maxspeed=DE:zone30
> 152    zone:speed=30
> 140    maxspeed:zone=yes
>  40    source:maxspeed=zone30
2182 maxspeed:note=*
29maxspeed:reason=zone30
24traffic-zone=DE:speed:30
14speedzone=DE:30
2  traffic_zone=maxspeed:30
0  traffic:zone

The source-tag is good to show other users why do you tagged
something. (zone, sign, markings)

But I don't want to know why the speed is mapped, I want to know some
more traffic restrictions e.g. parking outside of a city along a
street is permitted, different right of way in a zone 30 and so on.

It would be great if we find a solution to tag urban and rural
streets, zones of maxspeed 30 or 20, traffic-reduced residential
streets (livingstreets), ...

I prefer zone:*

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Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Energy generator power types

[André Riedel]

2010/8/16 Tom Chance :
> Basically I have deprecated "power_type=photovoltaic" and
> "power_type=solar-thermal", which combine two bits of information (source of
> energy, and type of energy generated). This also allows for adequate tagging
> of generators that produce more than one type of energy from a single
> source, such as a gas-fired combine heat and power plant.

The difference between photovoltaic and solar-thermal isn't the type
of produced energy. In both cases it is electric energy, but via
different physical ways.

photovoltaic - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photovoltaic_system
solar-thermal - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_tower
... - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_updraft_tower
... - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_tower_%28downdraft%29

But it would be good to propose a tag for heat plants or smaller block
heating stations.

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Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Energy generator power types

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2010/8/17 Tom Chance :
> Just to help summarise, with these proposals we end up with:
>
> power=generator (the starting point)

Please do not mix the "power"-tag for generating electricity with
other sources of energy like steam, vacuum, heat and so on.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:power
-> For marking and tagging facilities for the generation and
distribution of electrical power.

> power_output (to specify what type energy is generated)
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/power_type

obsolet, because "power" defines electricity. Again, please propose a
new tag for heating or cooling plants. e.g. man_made=heat_plant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat-only_boiler_station

> power_method (to specify how it generates the useful energy)
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/power_method

nice :-)

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Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

[André Riedel]

2010/8/18 Vincent Pottier :
> On 18/08/2010 01:17, John Smith wrote:
>>
>> On 18 August 2010 08:25, Andreas Labres  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I can't follow your argument here. A dancing school (or is ist called
>>> dance
>>> school? in which part of the English world?) is an amenity, is it not?
>>>
>>
>> The term amenity, if used in the vaguest form, can almost mean anything.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> And you do want a generic amenity icon? For what?
>>>
>>
>> For the category of various schools...
>>
>
> of various trainings, clubs (dancing, bridge, sport, music)... ?
> or of various schools, primary, secondary... ?
>
> Even if dance schools share a part of they name with the scholar system, it
> is obvious that they are not in the same category, at least in France, and
> could not share the same icon.
> And the suggestion of adding a 'training' value to the amenities doesn't
> hurt me.

"teaching" would be another good word.

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Re: [Tagging] Another classification needed for minor urban/suburban collectors?

[André Riedel]

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> Making the former secondary would seemingly overload the map with
> secondaries. But as it is, there are two distinct classes of road
> marked as tertiary, and it's not always clear which connect between
> neighborhoods and which serve as main roads inside neighborhoods.
> Bumping the latter down to residential would also lose information:
> these are more than your typical residential street, and are intended
> to collect and distribute neighborhood traffic.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions other than starting the long process
> to make a new "collector" classification for the latter? Am I using
> too few primaries and secondaries?

In Germany we use highway=unclassified as minor connection (below
tertiary) between two towns and also for the main road in or to a
neighborhood.

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Re: [Tagging] Another classification needed for minor urban/suburban collectors?

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2010/8/23 Nathan Edgars II :
> highway=unclassified in my experience is essentially
> highway=residential outside a residential area.

Not exactly. An 'unclassified' is a road to connect some neighborhoods
or towns. It should be a connection between roads of a higher class
(tertiary, secondary) but often used only by locals. It could be found
in the rural and urban area. A 'residential' is a road only with
originating traffic (people living there, delivering service, ...).
Nobody who wants to drive from town A to town C, will use a
residential road in town B. You will find residential roads in
residental, commercial or industrial areas.

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Re: [Tagging] Another classification needed for minor urban/suburban collectors?

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2010/8/23 Pieren :
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Nathan Edgars II 
> wrote:
>>
>> If that's so, why do we have residential at all? Why not just use
>> unclassified?
>
> 'residential' was originaly created for residential areas only. But many
> contributors use it extensively for all minor urban roads. So I just
> consider 'residential' and 'unclassified' as equal (although personally I
> use 'residential' only for its original purpose).

I see a difference in the connection level: (top->down)
... tertiary -> unclassified -> residential -> service ...

BTW: you will find mostly all 'residentials' in the build-up area.

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Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

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2010/8/24 Peter Körner :
> Why does the list of proposed values for craft= then contain butcher and
> bakery? I don't see them as a craft but I hesitate to remove them just
> because of a feeling that's not based on a well formed definition.

Probably because some bakeries or butchers work and sell at different places.

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Re: [Tagging] RFC: generator:* (for power=generator features)

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2010/8/26 Tom Chance :
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/generator_rationalisation
> The aim is to provide a flexible framework to encompass:
>
> This should allow us to distinguish between a solar photovoltaic panel
> producing electricity and a solar thermal panel producing hot water; between
> a gas-fired combined-heat-and-power (CHP) station and a simple gas boiler.

The word 'generator:' is better than 'power:', but it is still not
easy for me to tag a heating (only) station with power=generator.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power=generator
>>A place where electrical power is generated. A power station, turbine or 
>>other form of electrical generator.<<

> The output rating (generator:rating)

Which rating should be tagged if it is a cogenerating plant?
Electricity only? Heat and Electricity?

> The source of energy used (generator:source)
Combined with 'generator:method=fission' you have to add 'uranium_235'.
If change the whole system, please add 'wood', 'wood_pellet',
'diesel', 'crude_oil'.

> The type of energy generated (generator:output)
Whats about 'vacuum' and 'compressed_air'?

> The method of generation (generator:method)
Looks good, but which method to choose for an hydro, tidal, wave or an
osmotic power plant? What should I use for 'generator:source'?
Gravitation, Moon, Weather, Water, Salt?

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - power generator rationalisation

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2010/9/3 Tom Chance :
> Please vote on my proposal:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/generator_rationalisation
>
> It has gone through several weeks of discussion on this list and on the
> wiki. I have made significant changes to the proposal to make it as flexible
> as seems sensible.
>
> If voted through, I will look at updating existing data in OpenStreetMap. I
> am currently working on a groundbreaking map of this for London:
> http://tom.acrewoods.net/2010/08/28/low-carbon-power-in-openstreetmap

There are still some mismatches between source and method.

e.g. generator:source=nuclear, generator:methode=fission
A nuclear fission do not creates electricity it only creates a steam
to power a turbine.

And I still did not know how to tag a heating (only) station without
braking the current software. [3]

See also:
1. 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/generator_rationalisation
2. 
http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/RFC-generator-for-power-generator-features-td5465129.html#a5465129
3. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/4/41/Power_line-in-germany.png

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Homeless Shelter

[André Riedel]

See too:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Residential_home
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dnursing_home
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/social_facility

2010/9/4 John Smith :
> I'll try to dig up the thread, however someone had come up with a more
> generic shelter idea, since there is more than one kind, and I'm not
> talking about mountain shelters.
>
> You also have women's shelters, which are there to protect battered
> women and children from abusive spouses.

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - power generator rationalisation

[André Riedel]

2010/9/6 Tom Chance :
> On 4 September 2010 15:11, André Riedel  wrote:
>>
>> There are still some mismatches between source and method.
>>
>> e.g. generator:source=nuclear, generator:methode=fission
>> A nuclear fission do not creates electricity it only creates a steam
>> to power a turbine.
>
> This is really unecessary and pedantic. Every person with any application in
> mind for real-world generators (as opposed to school physics lessons on the
> theory of generation) would understand and appreciate what is meant by the
> proposed tags.
>
> Nobody needs the tag to be
> "generator:method=fission-creating-steam-to-power-a-turbine-that-induces-an-electric-current",
> or
> "generator:method=gasifiying-the-waste-municipal-wood-which-is-then-burnt-at-a-high-temperature-to-avoid-tar-buildup-to-produce-steam-driving-an-electromagnetic-induction-method-turbine".

But there is a difference between using a steam turbine, a sterling
engine or a magnetohydrodynamic generator, but all these can be fired
by coal or fission.

Fission energy could be used by heating water to power a steam turbine
or by using a radioisotope thermoelectric generator or a betavoltaics.

Fission power plants could use 'clean' uranium 238 or (with a special
license) a plutonium uranium mixture (MOX) or Thorium MOX.

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - power generator rationalisation

[André Riedel]

2010/9/6 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer :
> 2010/9/6 André Riedel :
>> Fission power plants could use 'clean' uranium 238 or (with a special
>> license) a plutonium uranium mixture (MOX) or Thorium MOX.
>
> does this on the other hand suggest I don't need a special license to
> run my fission reactor in the attic with ordinary Uranium 238?
> :D

You need a license to run a fission reactor, but the special license ;-)
BTW it is easy to find stones with a low density of uranium 238 so you
only need a uranium enrichement machine in your backyard to start this
trial :o)

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - power generator rationalisation

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2010/9/6 Tom Chance :
> If you can do so without requiring that mappers happy with
> generator:method=gasification be forced to instead enter a more complicated
> mixture of tags to describe those precise processes, then I wouldn't argue
> against your proposal. It wouldn't interest me, but it also wouldn't get in
> my way.

We do not need a tag with
generator:method=gasifcation-of-biomass-for-combustion-and-heating-water-to-power-a-steam-turbine.
All we need is a better categorizing of these values. This could be
done in the definition table. But you have to define it somewhere.

The same with 'fission'. If you define it as 'heating water to power a
steam turbine', all other methods could be named with
'fission:betavoltaics' or 'fission:mhd'.

But all these values of 'generator:method' works only very well for
these combustion or fission generators. :-( All water based generators
include their method in its 'generator:source'.

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - power generator rationalisation

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2010/9/8 Tom Chance :
>> But all these values of 'generator:method' works only very well for
>> these combustion or fission generators. :-( All water based generators
>> include their method in its 'generator:source'.
>
> They aren't included in the generator:source. I have considered them to be
> "implied" for my purposes only because I have no knowledge or interest in
> the different methods used by wave, tidal, hydroelectric and osmotic
> generators. If you do, feel free to add those to the method list. The same
> goes for differences in wind and geothermal technologies.
>
> Unlike the current set of tags, this proposal doesn't stop you adding
> further detail. It clearly separates the categories of source, output and
> method, and would allow further definition of each of those if you really
> wanted. For example you could add the different kinds of biomass source, and
> the different kinds of gasification.

But your proposal is not a small change of the whole power=generator
system. A change of tagging for example a tidal power plant shoud not
be done every month. So it would be great if you can stop your
fighting to push the proposal through the overall process within three
weeks. As you already mentioned you do not have the knowledge for all
power plant types, me too, but I think OSM have the man power to solve
this issue but need some time.

In my opinion everybody voting yes, wants an easy to use tagging
scheme with the ability for future extension. (Only) On the first view
the current proposal looks applicable.

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - rental

[André Riedel]

2010/9/16 Ulf Lamping :
> Am 16.09.2010 15:19, schrieb Jonas Stein:
>>
>> Are there tags missing?
>> Any other issues?
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/rental
>
> Yes, it's simply a bad idea.
>
> E.g. a car rental station is very different from a ski rental station. It
> looks quite different, it's used for a very different purpose,
> amenity=car_rental is already well established, ...

A shop=car is also very different from a shop=ski or shop=supermarket
but it does exists in the same category shop.

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - rental

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2010/9/16 Ulf Lamping :
> Well, Sixt will very rarely sell you a car, but a ski rental station very
> often will also sell you ski if you like.
>
> I'm not saying that the rental tag is generally a bad idea (I've recently
> added this to JOSM presets to indicate rental services for shop=motorcycle).
>
> What I'm saying is that there are places that will exclusively rent you
> something, and other places that will rent you something but also sell it to
> you, repair your own stuff and alike.

You can use rental and shop at the same time.

> So there are situations like amenity=car_rental where a standalone tag makes
> perfect sense, while in other situations the rental is only a minor part of
> the business. Putting this somehow all under a rental tag still seems a bad
> idea to me.

Probably we should use rental=yes or shop=yes if it is only a minor part.

Selling cars and sometimes letting of cars:
shop=car
rental=yes

selling only few ski equipments and rental is the main business:
rental=ski
shop=yes

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - rental

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2010/9/17 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer :
> 2010/9/17 Ulf Lamping :
>>> I won't use shop or rental with yes/no because it is against the
>>> convention.
>>
>> I don't know which convention you are talking about, as there is none today
>> in that regard.
>
>
> there is the convention for shop:
> shop=
>
> yes/no are no shop-categories. I assumed that rental was intended to
> work the same as shop.

I found this combination very often:

amenity=fuel
shop=yes

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - rental

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2010/9/17 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer :
> 2010/9/17 John F. Eldredge :
>> At a guess, the combination of amenity=fuel and shop=yes means that there is 
>> a retail shop in addition to fuel sales.  This most likely is what Americans 
>> call a convenience store.  Typically, most of the inventory will be beer, 
>> candy, soft drinks, and cigarettes, with a small assortment of overpriced 
>> groceries.  There generally won't be any produce for sale, except perhaps 
>> some fruit.  Occasionally you will find a business that sells fuel, but no 
>> other merchandise, or a convenience store that doesn't sell fuel, but most 
>> often you will find a business that does both.
>
>
> I could guess as well, but as there are other tags documented for what
> you are describing I'd guess that something different might be
> intended. For the kind of shop you are describing amenity=fuel (and
> Key:shop) say:
> Kiosk: Add shop=kiosk (default is kiosk=no) to the fuel station if a
> kiosk exists.
> the discussion page also mentions shop=convenience

At the moment 849 nodes and 280 ways are tagged with shop=yes.
But only 90 nodes and 17 ways are fuel stations, too.

So I mixed something up. And of curse shop=kiosk or convenience is
more precise.

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - rental

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2010/9/17 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer :
> 2010/9/17 John F. Eldredge :
>> At a guess, the combination of amenity=fuel and shop=yes means that there is 
>> a retail shop in addition to fuel sales.  This most likely is what Americans 
>> call a convenience store.  Typically, most of the inventory will be beer, 
>> candy, soft drinks, and cigarettes, with a small assortment of overpriced 
>> groceries.  There generally won't be any produce for sale, except perhaps 
>> some fruit.  Occasionally you will find a business that sells fuel, but no 
>> other merchandise, or a convenience store that doesn't sell fuel, but most 
>> often you will find a business that does both.
>
>
> I could guess as well, but as there are other tags documented for what
> you are describing I'd guess that something different might be
> intended. For the kind of shop you are describing amenity=fuel (and
> Key:shop) say:
> Kiosk: Add shop=kiosk (default is kiosk=no) to the fuel station if a
> kiosk exists.
> the discussion page also mentions shop=convenience

At the moment 849 nodes and 280 ways are tagged with shop=yes.
But only 90 nodes and 17 ways are fuel stations, too.

So I mixed something up. And of curse shop=kiosk or convenience is
more precise.

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Re: [Tagging] shop=wedding_office [Was: New tag value: shop=wedding]

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2010/9/28 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer :
> yes, probably a specific tag would be suitable: shop=wedding_dresses
> or shop=wedding_clothes.
> Because nobody who looks for casual clothing would want to find a
> specialized wedding shop, and usually who looks for a wedding shop
> would want to exclude "normal" clothing stores (or would be able to do
> 2 searches).

According to this I found an already exsiting tag in the wiki:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:clothes

with clothes=wedding

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Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

[André Riedel]

2010/10/7 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer :
> I know we already talked about this, but actually no actions followed ;-)
>
> What is the current feeling for a new key "landcover"? Could resolve
> many issues, as often landuse is a mixture of actual "use" and
> "coverage".
> Seems like there is already landcover=tree in the database:
> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/landcover
>
> other values might be
>
> * sand
> * asphalt
> * grass
> * scrubs
> * rock
> * ice
> * lichen
>
> 
>
> cheers,
> Martin

I like the values from last email discussion:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-July/038774.html

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Re: [Tagging] How to tag a (main) entrance to a large feature?

[André Riedel]

2010/11/18 Nathan Edgars II :
> Features such as parks may cover a large area, and if the park is
> drawn as a polygon, routing software will likely choose the centroid.
> The nearest point on public roads to the centroid may however not be
> the actual entrance to the park. For example, go to
> http://www.yournavigation.org/ and get directions from Orlando, FL to
> Wekiwa Springs State Park (the actual entrance is in the southeast
> corner; use Wisteria St, Orange County, FL). How can we make sure that
> the software will know where the entrance is?
>
> This also applies to large resort hotels, where we would want to mark
> the check-in building, and to pretty much everything large that has a
> single main entrance.

See the proposed tag entrance=*
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/entrance

At the moment it is only designed to be used with buildings, but an
extension to parks or other types is no problem and was already
suggested at the discussion pages.

Ciao André

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

[André Riedel]

2011/10/13 Erik Johansson :
> Further I would like to propose railway=subway_entrance =>
> entrance=public_transport, since it's probably interesting to have on
> bus/boat/rail terminals as well, now this is a bit more tricky since
> it already renders.

As the creator of the proposal I do not like your proposed key/value
entrance=public_transport.
The tag should show the importance of an entrance and not what you
will find behind the door.

I will pass the ball to the public transport group. (e.g.
public_transport=entrance).

Ciao André

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

[André Riedel]

2011/10/14 Erik Johansson :
> If can't even tag *entrances* to a subway with this tag I see little
> use for it. Could either of you perhaps expand a bit  about what you
> mean.

You can tag the entrance of a train or subway station as
entrance=yes/main BUT only together with a correspondending building
(or poi area). It is not possible to use the tag entrance=yes on a
single node without any connection to a building or area.

Ciao André

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