Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (midwife)
Hi, I removed over specific text about the country. The description of services does not exclude anything (like give birth). Cheers. Le 26/08/2016 00:44, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : sent from a phone Il giorno 25 ago 2016, alle ore 22:46, David Picard <dave...@yahoo.fr> ha scritto: So, my description is too specific ? What if I just drop the following sentence ? It is not really meaningful, anyway. "In some countries, like France, a midwife is a profession on its own, not a specialized nurse like e.g. in the U.S.". yes, remove anything not needed. Examples often are counterproductive, because people tend to generalize them, and in this case it doesn't really matter for osm mapping whether your country sees them as specialized nurses or as a profession on its own, how much they earn or how long you have to study etc. You will tag a midwife (s office? practice?) when they can be considered midwifes according to the situation in your country. Also, about rendering : here in France, midwives in hospitals/clinics usually wear a pink suit. So, I guess the doctor symbol could be used if changed from red to pink. What do you think ? -1, this is likely specific to France and will not be understood elsewhere cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (midwife)
Hi, So, my description is too specific ? What if I just drop the following sentence ? It is not really meaningful, anyway. "In some countries, like France, a midwife is a profession on its own, not a specialized nurse like e.g. in the U.S.". Also, about rendering : here in France, midwives in hospitals/clinics usually wear a pink suit. So, I guess the doctor symbol could be used if changed from red to pink. What do you think ? Cheers, David. Le 23/08/2016 02:02, David Bannon a écrit : David, I am very sorry to only comment after you have gone to the vote, very rude of me ! But I have been away, quite remote and very poor internet access, big backlog of unread mail. David, my partner is a midwife but of the "specialist nurse" variety. What concerns us is how this tag will be used in parts of the world that have a different midwife model. Here in Australia, midwives generally work from, typically, hospitals or clinics and offer a reduced range of services. I think some advice needs to be given in the proposal on how to use it in places that don't fit your description. Either * "don't use it" or * "use it but map users need be aware that services may not be as described." I suspect the first is a better option. David On 23/08/16 06:29, David Picard wrote: The vote is open for : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/midwife ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (midwife)
The vote is open for : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/midwife ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (midwife)
OK, I updated the page, using your comments. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/midwife Le 01/08/2016 à 17:13, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : 2016-08-01 17:03 GMT+02:00 David Picard <dave...@yahoo.fr <mailto:dave...@yahoo.fr>>: I think your proposal should be more explicit about the actual tagging you propose (key=value, possibly in bold text). I don't understand what you mean here. I have no experience with OSM. it was a suggestion regarding your layout of the page, right now I have difficulties seeing which actual tag is proposed, or in other words, which "key" and which "value" should be used to indicate the feature you describe. These should stand out a little bit more to make it clearer (just a suggestion). Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (midwife)
How about healthcare=midwife ? Le 01/08/2016 17:13, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : 2016-08-01 17:03 GMT+02:00 David Picard <dave...@yahoo.fr <mailto:dave...@yahoo.fr>>: I think your proposal should be more explicit about the actual tagging you propose (key=value, possibly in bold text). I don't understand what you mean here. I have no experience with OSM. it was a suggestion regarding your layout of the page, right now I have difficulties seeing which actual tag is proposed, or in other words, which "key" and which "value" should be used to indicate the feature you describe. These should stand out a little bit more to make it clearer (just a suggestion). Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (midwife)
Hi, Le 01/08/2016 à 11:15, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : 2016-07-31 19:21 GMT+02:00 David Picard <dave...@yahoo.fr <mailto:dave...@yahoo.fr>>: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/midwife Definition: a midwife practising as a licensed professional in an office I think your proposal should be more explicit about the actual tagging you propose (key=value, possibly in bold text). I don't understand what you mean here. I have no experience with OSM. Also the definition leaves a lot of uncertainty (is this a about an office or a practice, or is this the same in this context? Is it for the place where examinations/birth is happening or is it for an administrative place, or both?) Is this only for standalone features, or also for midwifes associated to a clinic or hospital? I guess it depends a lot on the country ! For example, in France, the only definition is : a place where a woman can exercise and get prepared for childbirth, get cured for a range of gynaecological problems (from puberty to end of life), get prescription for contraceptives, be taken care of before and after childbirth. It is NOT a place to give birth. Midwives who run a place like this in France are not linked to a clinic nor hospital. Why do you require "licensed" (think of places where public administration works worse, maybe they don't have official licenses for midwifes). I am not an English speaker. I meant an independent worker like a doctor, a lawyer, etc. running his own business. But maybe this can be just removed, so as to be more generic. I also don't like the limitation to nodes, these will always have a spatial extension, so allowing to tag them on areas as well seems reasonable. I don't really see why, but again, I have no experience with OSM... Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (midwife)
Hi, Le 01/08/2016 à 11:15, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : 2016-07-31 19:21 GMT+02:00 David Picard <dave...@yahoo.fr <mailto:dave...@yahoo.fr>>: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/midwife Definition: a midwife practising as a licensed professional in an office I think your proposal should be more explicit about the actual tagging you propose (key=value, possibly in bold text). I don't understand what you mean here. I have no experience with OSM. Also the definition leaves a lot of uncertainty (is this a about an office or a practice, or is this the same in this context? Is it for the place where examinations/birth is happening or is it for an administrative place, or both?) Is this only for standalone features, or also for midwifes associated to a clinic or hospital? I guess it depends a lot on the country ! For example, in France, the only definition is : a place where a woman can exercise and get prepared for childbirth, get cured for a range of gynaecological problems (from puberty to end of life), get prescription for contraceptives, be taken care of before and after childbirth. It is NOT a place to give birth. Midwives who run a place like this in France are not linked to a clinic nor hospital. Why do you require "licensed" (think of places where public administration works worse, maybe they don't have official licenses for midwifes). I am not an English speaker. I meant an independent worker like a doctor, a lawyer, etc. running his own business. But maybe this can be just removed, so as to be more generic. I also don't like the limitation to nodes, these will always have a spatial extension, so allowing to tag them on areas as well seems reasonable. I don't really see why, but again, I have no experience with OSM... Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (midwife)
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/midwife Definition: a midwife practising as a licensed professional in an office ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
