Re: [Tagging] Map maintenance with StreetComplete - Preferred tagging

[MARLIN LUKE]

Due to some concerns expressed in here (bloatness, discrepancies), I've been 
wondering...
Wouldn't it be enough to ask randomly about some properties to be checked?

For example, let's say I'm using SC to do some mapping, and from a 100 quests, 
I get whatever proportions of maintenance quests selected randomly.
While this wouldn't provide information that I did check to OSM database (if 
data is accurate), it still ensures that the DB is correct.

As someone stated, with a proper number of users, the concepts of having a last 
date of check might be obsolete, so having people do random checks (could still 
be prioritized based on actual element) on top of filling new stuff might be 
enough in the long run.

De : ael 
Envoyé : dimanche 26 juillet 2020 23:56
À : tagging@openstreetmap.org 
Objet : Re: [Tagging] Map maintenance with StreetComplete - Preferred tagging

On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 10:03:17PM +0100, Cj Malone wrote:
> On Sat, 2020-07-25 at 16:42 +0200, Tobias Zwick wrote:
> >
> > So in a nutshell, the topic of how to find things based on old
> > sources is also very relevant for remote mappers.
>
> Technically there is survey:date and source:date that may be on the
> object, or (preferred now?) the changeset. So a quality assurance tool

Adding such source tags to a changeset seldom makes sense.
Most of my changesets are a mixture of local knowledge, surveys, gps,
photographic and video. I even occasionally use satellite imagery...
So the source data needs to be fine grained on the elements themselves.

Furthermore, when updating an element, I can see any source tags right
there. I am not normally going to all the faff of looking up the
history, finding the changesets and consulting those except for unusual
cases.

Of course, changesets need to have some overall source infomation, but
that is necessarily coarse except for small cahnges perhaps.

ael


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Re: [Tagging] Ski picnic room

[MARLIN LUKE]

Thank you for the detailed mail.
The tags I've used indeed doesn't exactly fit, as you figured out during your 
search.

I couldn't find anything existing that would be a better match.
"Picnic room" seems to be used by some ski resort in France, and I've seen it 
on some tourism forums on ski threads so it might at least be understood by 
english skiers.

I'm unsure whether creating something like "indoor_food_consumption" is a good 
idea if the only usage is for ski resorts and a less-generic name exists.

What do you think?

De : Paul Allen 
Envoyé : jeudi 30 janvier 2020 12:05
À : Tag discussion, strategy and related tools 
Objet : Re: [Tagging] Ski picnic room

On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 10:26, MARLIN LUKE 
mailto:luke.mar...@viacesi.fr>> wrote:
Noticed amenity=shelter. I initially thought about combining it with 
shelter-type:picnic, but it seems too... "open" for me. Like, not a complete 
building.

Shelter seems "open."  But so does "picnic."  Wikipedia confirms my
understanding of "picnic" - an outdoors meal: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picnic

All I've managed to turn up on Google for "picnic room" are translations of
"salle hors sac" made by people who don't speak English as a first language.
Google Translate gives me "out of bag" for "hors sac" which in colloquial
English would be "packed meal."  And you take a packed meal on a picnic,
so "salle hors sac" turns into "picnic room."  Which is not colloquial English
or anything a British English speaker would comprehend as being what you
want to map.

What you're describing is almost a cafeteria (which we already have a tag for)
except that there may not be any purchasable food and, if there is purchasable
food, it's from a vending machine whereas real cafeterias generally offer 
self-service
food.  So fast_food=cafeteria is a better fit, but still not a good fit.

A better fit would be automat, although I think that's an American term with
little or no usage in British English.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automat
And, if I understand you correctly, there may not be vending machines in some of
these places, and most real automats wouldn't let you bring your own food.

I can't think of any good term for a building which contains tables and chairs
which you can use to eat a packed meal.  We have leisure=outdoor_seating
for consumption of meals/drinks,  but that is open, even if covered.  And the
tag value itself doesn't convey that it's for food, you have to look at the wiki
page or see that it is used near to somewhere serving food which is tagged
as having outdoor seating.  So inventing leisure=indoor_seating is
probably a bad idea, especially if there are no vending machines.

It probably needs something along the lines of leisure=indoor_food_consumption
(needs a better name than that) with optional amenity=vending_machine +
vending=food|drinks nodes.  And maybe an explicit bring_your_own_food=yes tag
(needs a better name than that).  Actually, leisure=dining_room might be a 
better
name than leisure=indoor_food_consumption, except it's not really used in 
British
English for a public room but for a room in a house or guest house.

--
Paul

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Re: [Tagging] Ski picnic room

[MARLIN LUKE]

Noticed amenity=shelter. I initially thought about combining it with 
shelter-type:picnic, but it seems too... "open" for me. Like, not a complete 
building.

I'll use this in the meantime
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[Tagging] Ski picnic room

[MARLIN LUKE]

I'm trying to tag a building which is a shelter with some vending machines, 
tables and benches.
This type of building is called "salle hors sac" in french, and it seems that 
the english counterpart would be "picnic room".
They are places where you are allowed to bring your own food and eat it.

I've found nothing in the ski wiki page [1].

What tag(s) should be used for this?

[1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=20/49.55149/5.81066

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (contact:phone)

[MARLIN LUKE]

Hi there,

Disclaimer:
-I don't have much experience with OSM.
-I find the proposition of unifying the usage quite logical.
-Now that I've read some responses, I understand why the community could be 
against.

However:
I'm amazed at how harsh people are against Sören. He's been putting some time 
to help, and the reversal of the proposal made sense when considering the 
voters' explanations on the wiki page.

Reading a thread like this honestly won't encourage any participation from 
outsiders (myself included)
And I'm not speaking about the x-th response, the firsts were already 
aggressive.
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (phone)

[MARLIN LUKE]

Given the comments, wouldn't it make sense to reopen at the opposite, i.e 
legitimating contact:phone over phone?

The idea of having only one instead of two tags was apparently quite approved 
in itself.

De : Martin Koppenhoefer 
Envoyé : mardi 5 novembre 2019 22:29
À : Tag discussion, strategy and related tools 
Objet : Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (phone)



sent from a phone

On 5. Nov 2019, at 14:05, Valor Naram  wrote:


Hey,

it's over. I closed the vote with 61 votes against and 46 votes for my 
proposal. My proposal has been rejected by community members: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Discussions/tagging/contact:phone_or_phone


that’s a notable participation, compared to average tag votings in the 
OpenStreetMap wiki, interestingly, as an approval would probably have had the 
same effect than the rejection ;-)


Cheers Martin

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Re: [Tagging] swimming=* access tag

[MARLIN LUKE]

I'm actually quite surprised this didn't exist.

In France there are also some lakes with holiday camps around where it's 
clearly stated if swimming is allowed or not.
Sometimes, it might be only for specific portions of the lake though, how would 
that work?

De : Robert Skedgell 
Envoyé : mercredi 23 octobre 2019 12:01
À : tagging@openstreetmap.org 
Objet : [Tagging] swimming=* access tag

I wonder whether it would be worth adding a swimming=* access tag to the
wiki and the list under "Water-based transportation" section of the page
for access=* (alongside boat=*/canoe=*)? This has been mentioned in the
discussion section, but not further discussed


It would be useful to note areas of open water where swimming is either
allowed or prohibited and this can be clearly determined fom signage at
the site etc. and recorded using values of yes, no, customers and
permissive.

--
Robert Skedgell (rskedgell)

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Re: [Tagging] Agility park for dogs

[MARLIN LUKE]

> Sometimes there is an obstacle track for the dogs."

Sure, but I think it's a loss not to be explicit about the presence of the 
track.
If I were to look to some other around me, I wouldn't be able to.

>And obstacle track itself may be additionally
>mapped, as property or object inside
>(like playground=sandpit).

Why not, however is there a tag for this?



De : Graeme Fitzpatrick 
Envoyé : lundi 26 août 2019 23:55
À : Tag discussion, strategy and related tools 
Objet : Re: [Tagging] Agility park for dogs




On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 at 01:53, MARLIN LUKE 
mailto:luke.mar...@viacesi.fr>> wrote:
I'm going to map a small dog park where there are obstacles for agility 
training, and I'm not sure if I should use sport=dog_training[1] or not.

Would leisure=dog_park 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Ddog_park not cover it?
"Sometimes there is an obstacle track for the dogs."

Thanks

Graeme
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[Tagging] Agility park for dogs

[MARLIN LUKE]

Hi there,

I'm going to map a small dog park where there are obstacles for agility 
training, and I'm not sure if I should use sport=dog_training[1] or not.
It seems like it's just an old proposal and there was quite some discussion 
about it.
It also looks like it's not much used, less than 500 times[2].

Is there a better way that has been accepted/documented?

Note: if that matters, it's public, anyone can go anytime.

[1]https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Dog_training
[2]https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/sport=dog_training

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Re: [Tagging] Removing an ATM

[MARLIN LUKE]

Thanks everyone for the input.

I've noted that "removed:" could be interesting in specific cases, however 
considering where this one is (and it's removal date!), I deleted it.

De : Mateusz Konieczny 
Envoyé : mardi 9 juillet 2019 17:23
Cc : Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
Objet : Re: [Tagging] Removing an ATM




9 lip 2019, 16:27 od pla16...@gmail.com:
Not really.  They don't get rendered (on standard carto).  So they don't help 
anyone orient
themselves.
OSM Carto is not a sole map style.
As with disused: and abandoned:, the only real purpose is to prevent mappers 
re-instating the
object based upon out-of-date information.
Not only - some data consumers
may want to include objects present
but unused.
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[Tagging] Removing an ATM

[MARLIN LUKE]

Hi,

I've read in the wiki (and on this list) that it's best to avoid loosing 
history.
I have an ATM mapped in a street which does not exist anymore (apparently since 
2014).

Should I:
-Remove the tag and keep a blank point? (triggers a message on iD, I'm not even 
sure I can save the changes)
-Remove the point altogether and lose the history?
-Another solution?
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