Re: [Tagging] kind of a shop=ticket

2015-01-13 Thread k4r573n
I created a feature proposal on this topic
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ticket_type

I'm happy to get your feedback

Karsten

On 12.01.2015 10:48, althio althio wrote:
 This is very related to

 amenity=vending_machine (taginfo = 54 000)
 with its associated key:
 vending=* (taginfo = 50 000)
 http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/vending#values

 Maybe we could come up with something that unite the used keys.


 On 12 January 2015 at 09:55, k4r573n k4r5...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I wonder how to map the kind of a ticket shop.
 It would be practical to see ticket shops for concerts on a culture map
 and such shops for aerialway on a skiing map.

 for now I've 2 ideas

 tickets:ski=yes/no
 tickets:concert=yes/no
 tickets:public_transport=yes/no
 ...

 or

 ticket=ski
 ticket=concert
 ticket=public_transport
 ticket=...

 tagwatch lists
 49 entries of ticket=*
 48 entries of tickets=*
 15 entries of tickets:public_transport=*
 16 entries of tickets:bus=*
 10 entries of tickets:subway=*

 this wiki page [1] recommends to use tickets:*=*

 What should I document in the wiki?
 ___
 Karsten

 [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RU:Tag:shop=ticket



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[Tagging] kind of a shop=ticket

2015-01-12 Thread k4r573n
Hi,

I wonder how to map the kind of a ticket shop.
It would be practical to see ticket shops for concerts on a culture map
and such shops for aerialway on a skiing map.

for now I've 2 ideas

tickets:ski=yes/no
tickets:concert=yes/no
tickets:public_transport=yes/no
...

or

ticket=ski
ticket=concert
ticket=public_transport
ticket=...

tagwatch lists
49 entries of ticket=*
48 entries of tickets=*
15 entries of tickets:public_transport=*
16 entries of tickets:bus=*
10 entries of tickets:subway=*

this wiki page [1] recommends to use tickets:*=*

What should I document in the wiki?
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Karsten

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RU:Tag:shop=ticket



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Re: [Tagging] kind of a shop=ticket

2015-01-12 Thread k4r573n
sure the problem with vending_machines exists as well

amenity=vending_machine   |
vending=tickets   | Taginfo=101
+ maybe a tag for more details

or

vending=public_transport_tickets (taginfo=6 705)
vending=parking_tickets;public_transport_tickets (taginfo=138)
vending=train_tickets (taginfo=12)


I would prefer the first variant - it's more structured
but unluckily the second is already common.
 

On 12.01.2015 10:48, althio althio wrote:
 This is very related to

 amenity=vending_machine (taginfo = 54 000)
 with its associated key:
 vending=* (taginfo = 50 000)
 http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/vending#values

 Maybe we could come up with something that unite the used keys.


 On 12 January 2015 at 09:55, k4r573n k4r5...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I wonder how to map the kind of a ticket shop.
 It would be practical to see ticket shops for concerts on a culture map
 and such shops for aerialway on a skiing map.

 for now I've 2 ideas

 tickets:ski=yes/no
 tickets:concert=yes/no
 tickets:public_transport=yes/no
 ...

 or

 ticket=ski
 ticket=concert
 ticket=public_transport
 ticket=...

 tagwatch lists
 49 entries of ticket=*
 48 entries of tickets=*
 15 entries of tickets:public_transport=*
 16 entries of tickets:bus=*
 10 entries of tickets:subway=*

 this wiki page [1] recommends to use tickets:*=*

 What should I document in the wiki?
 ___
 Karsten

 [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RU:Tag:shop=ticket



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Re: [Tagging] Climbing access path

2014-08-08 Thread k4r573n
On 08.08.2014 11:51, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
 Am 08/ago/2014 um 11:31 schrieb Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com:

 I'd vote for the first one (destination). I'm not keen on the third
 one since climbing=* would need to become widely recognised as an
 access tag, which doesn't feel very scaleable.
 I agree mostly, from these suggestions it seems the best alternative, but 
 generally I am not convinced that any of these are actual legal restrictions 
 (climber is not a category of users foreseen by the law in Germany). I also 
 believe that climbers are indeed a subgroup of the general public (it is 
 sufficient to declare yourself a climber and you will be entitled to use 
 the path, but you generally won't do this nonetheless for the practical 
 reason that the paths will normally be dead ends, and this is also a reason 
 why these paths won't create much trouble for routing regardless of their 
 access tags)
especially in this area [1] climbing paths are often beautiful bypasses,
so I think we need some access tags to distinguish. But you are right if
you want to use them you just need to carry some climbing equipment with
you.

In my opinion these paths shouldn't be used by default and we need a tag
to ensure routers and renders have a possibility to do so.

access=destination
destination=climbing

seams to be the best possibility

Karsten

[1] http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/4uP

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Re: [Tagging] Climbing access path

2014-08-08 Thread k4r573n
concluded there are areas where behavior guidelines (see links below)
introduce paths not for general public but for climbers.
(Tom thanks for the links)

therefore we definitely should use:
access=destination

This single tag might be sufficient. And an other tag would just
simplify rendering...
Anyway - what are your thoughts about
path=climbing_access (about 391 occurrences according to taginfo)

it might be used to show a main usage of a path

Karsten

On 08.08.2014 13:38, Tom Pfeifer wrote:
 Tobias Knerr wrote, on 2014-08-08 12:55:
  access=destination makes sense. That second tag isn't established,
  though, nor is the concept of explaining the details through a
  destination=* subtag.

 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote, on 2014-08-08 13:01:

 If there are legally binding signs, yes, if the legal significance of
 the signs is
  something like:it would be kind if you won't use this path, because
 it is narrow

 The legality would come from the code of conduct in the National Park
 not to leave
 the marked paths, thus no need for physical signs,

 [3]
 http://www.nationalpark-saechsische-schweiz.de/besucherinformation/verhalten/

 however there might be unambiguous signs as well:

 [2]
 http://www.nationalpark-saechsische-schweiz.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/13-Verhalten.jpg

 Tom
 (just learned the difference between the green and the black triangle)



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[Tagging] Climbing access path

2014-08-07 Thread k4r573n
I would like to distinguish between hiking paths and climbing_access paths.
In my area only climbers are allowed to use the paths to access the cliffs.

Therefore I thought of this tagging for climbing_access paths:
  access=customers
  customers=climbers

what I found so far:
  path=climbing_access
  taginfo found 391 items
  eg here:
  http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/4sK

any suggestions how we should map this?

Karsten

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